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10k bridge pup w/ 43 awg wire and flush poles ?

Mike Eskimo
February 3rd, 2012, 05:35 PM
Anyone know who makes one of those beasts ?

Like an original Nocaster pickup...

PeterVV
February 3rd, 2012, 05:41 PM
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/main/pickups.php?cat=teles&sub=vintage&pickup=flat50&series=blackguard


Blackguard Tele® Series - Flat '50
Output:
Vintage Hot

Bridge DC:
Magnet:
10.6KΩ *
Alnico V



Scatter-wound by hand with 43AWG plain enamel wire on both bridge and neck, this is pure Broadcaster heaven. The hottest of the four sets with a thicker zinc plated steel baseplate, flat profile magnets and authentic vintage 'flat top' deep-drawn brass cover; the Flat 50s have a simply massive sound. Chunky bottom-end and snarling mids create a throaty tone with excellent natural sustain that can really push a tube amp hard.

WaylonFan76
February 3rd, 2012, 07:00 PM
Klein Broadcaster gets close to that and is a PHENOMENAL pickup IMHO. http://www.kleinpickups.com/c-3-telecaster-pickups.aspx.

imsilly
February 3rd, 2012, 07:07 PM
Fender did for the early Nocaster Relics and random Limited Editions.

Pretty sure Don Mare does one too!

http://www.buckcannon.com/pussetsfortele.html

spankdplank
February 3rd, 2012, 07:07 PM
On the low budget end, GFS has a "hot 60's" pickup that is about 10.5 DC and 43 AWG. Brass bass plate and level, raised A-V mangets. There is really nothing 60's about it, but it still is a pretty good sounding pickup. Going upscale, I believe Don Mare has a 43 AWG pickup.

Dr. Bill
February 3rd, 2012, 08:03 PM
Fender makes a "Broadcaster" p/u that is basically the same as the Texas Special except that it has flat pole pieces (alnico 5/43 awg). Unfortunately, it's not available aftermarket, but you may be able to find one on the Bay.

Dirty Al
February 3rd, 2012, 09:00 PM
Anyone know who makes one of those beasts ?

Like an original Nocaster pickup...

Mark & Charlene Webber. A great husband & wife team of winders from my neck of the woods. Yes they both wind. Fantastic work & great turn around times. Give em a call and get a feel. Tell em Al from Dirty South sent ya. Mind ya, I wind too but I still use their single coil pickups.

http://www.webbercustompickups.com/

http://www.webbercustompickups.com/Reviews.html Reviews

"Mark makes some of the best Strat pickups I've played! These things scream with tone. My old strat has never been happier. Texas blues heaven!" Bryan Austin (Clint Black)

"First of all, you got these pickups tuned in so nice. Mark has made me a set of Vintage Tele pickups and let me tell you, these pickups got the tone. All three positions work real nice for me, they make my Tele rock. Thanks Mark." Ricky Chancey (Hank Williams, Jr.) (Wet Willie) (RC & The Moonpies)

Let's face it. The tone is in your hands. Great pick-ups, guitars, and amps are just the enablers. But, it helps to have great gear. Some people get it. Some don't. I think Mark gets it. He really has the vintage style strat thing down. I have a custom wound set in the +6.2 range that are in between the vintage and texas set. They sound and even look like my original late 50's pick-ups that I have played forever. (Minus the sweat, grime, beer, etc.) I've A/B'd them back and forth and decided that I like 'em. I like 'em a lot. Thanks Mark....... more to come later on the hot HWJ set. Tony Bowles (Hank Williams Jr.)

Mike Eskimo
February 3rd, 2012, 11:11 PM
Wow ! Lotta great tips.

All pretty much what I was looking for (which was the 1st reissue hot Nocaster pickups not the original 50's ones).

Thanks all !

Maxwell Street
February 3rd, 2012, 11:40 PM
Don Mare will wind it to your specs...

Mr. Esquire
February 4th, 2012, 03:24 AM
Aaron at Rumpelstiltskin Pickups (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/Tele_Pickups.html) can wind whatever you want for not a whole lot of money. Great thing is that Aaron will actually talk to you via email as much as you want until you know exactly what you want. He'll even steer you to other pickups if he feels that you'd be better off with a different manufacturer. :!:

Aaron winds a 43 awg 11K 1950 Blackrope that can be heard here (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/uploads/bcaster1.mp3). His 43 awg 10k 1950 Blackrope can be heard here (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/uploads/10k_broadcaster_wind.mp3). Personally, I prefer the 11K. And I got my 11k 1950s Blackrope with a low G stagger (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/Pickup_Info_and_F.A.Q.html) which I've never seen in any other manufacturer of early Tele bridge pickups. Like I said, he'll wind whatever you want. He's totally an affordable custom manufacturer, IME.:wink:

elelpe
February 4th, 2012, 06:23 AM
Wolfetone Rabid Bitch (http://www.wolfetone.com/rabidbitch.html#)

Styled after early Broadcaster and Nocaster pickups, the Rabid Bitch uses 43 guage Plain Enamel wire at about 10k for a hot vintage feel. Punchy, raunchy, and mean, this pickup will snarl without loosing the Tele twangy goodness, and won't rip your eardrums out!

Whoa Tele
February 4th, 2012, 09:04 AM
Aaron at Rumpelstiltskin Pickups (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/Tele_Pickups.html) can wind whatever you want for not a whole lot of money. Great thing is that Aaron will actually talk to you via email as much as you want until you know exactly what you want. He'll even steer you to other pickups if he feels that you'd be better off with a different manufacturer. :!:

Aaron winds a 43 awg 11K 1950 Blackrope that can be heard here (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/uploads/bcaster1.mp3). His 43 awg 10k 1950 Blackrope can be heard here (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/uploads/10k_broadcaster_wind.mp3). Personally, I prefer the 11K. And I got my 11k 1950s Blackrope with a low G stagger (http://www.rumpelstiltskinpickups.com/Pickup_Info_and_F.A.Q.html) which I've never seen in any other manufacturer of early Tele bridge pickups. Like I said, he'll wind whatever you want. He's totally an affordable custom manufacturer, IME.:wink:

I've got Aaron's Black Rope 50s in a tele that was overly bright. He winds a nice pickup and the one I installed is thicker/beefier than your average tele bridge, If memory serves, He used A5 mags for the wound strings to maintain twang and definition. His customer service was outstanding as well. Overall, I like the OC Duff Plankster a bit better for this type of pickup but tone is a combination of factors and it could just be the gtr. it's in.

uriah1
February 4th, 2012, 09:37 AM
The ssl3 SD I had measured 15.4

vanguard
February 4th, 2012, 10:05 AM
Don Mare 0038 is right on the money.

Fred Stuart's lap-wrap is also killer.

Mike Eskimo
February 4th, 2012, 12:13 PM
And on all of these mentioned, a 250k pot is fine ?

WaylonFan76
February 4th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Don Mare will wind it to your specs...

Yep, and so will Owen Duffy @ OC Duff... :razz:

PeterVV
February 4th, 2012, 06:26 PM
And on all of these mentioned, a 250k pot is fine ?

Yes...

dmarcus30
February 4th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Stephens Designs 1950 Broadcaster. I used one in an Esquire build and it's amazing.
My brother has a vintage 57 Tele. The original pickups are long gone and he had some older Duncans in it and they were thin and uninspiring.
We put Stephens 1950 Broadcaster in the bridge and Stephens 1951 neck pickups in it and my brother is raving about them
He says that each note "sounds like it has a golden halo around it".

geetarfreek82
February 4th, 2012, 10:18 PM
My buddy Bill Megela of Electric City Pickups winds a great set of broadcaster pickups that he calls the "Black Scotch" set... IMO they are the best sounding Broadcaster pickups I have tried... I actually have the very first prototype for this set, as I wanted mine wound a bit hotter, but he has refined his "formula" to a whole 'nother level.

Mike Eskimo
February 5th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Wow - have been poking around at the different sites and sound clips and am astounded at how expensive some of these pickups are...:shock:

Dirty Al
February 5th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Wow - have been poking around at the different sites and sound clips and am astounded at how expensive some of these pickups are...:shock:

Some are just base prices on their websites but I know that most will deal over the phone. Remember that most of the custom winders make most of their stuff by hand and the attention to detail, time and quality is what your buying. Not all these guys use kits either. You figure that the materials (flat stock, magnets, wire, leads, potting, packing mat & boxes, etc.) cost about $25-$45 dollars per pickup for some since some of this is custom made. Now some like a minimum of $60 per pickup for their labor which like I said the attention to detail plus their guarantees is well worth the price. Some guys will take an hour or more to wind these and assemble them since they do it by hand. So the labor is usually the most costs to custom pickups.

So those prices above are not including that some of these guys are running a "SMALL" business and some have to pay business licenses, new tools, insurance, etc. and somehow make a profit in order to keep it all alive and they are most of the time just selling a handful a month and have day jobs to live. I am sure that each of them are not in this for the money but passion for the art.

There is mass produced pickups of course that are not sticker shocking so compared to most Duncans, Dimarzios your almost in the same ballpark for their standard lines. FYI, Their custom shop prices are usually more than most boutique guys. Now remember that these guys use nothing but the best wire, magnets and materials for each pickup made. Of course you can get some cheap Chinese pickups that look great but break those suckers open and you will see the difference quite fast. Sub par wire and parts but you can have them for cheap.

It’s all what you are wanting. None of these winders mentioned I am sure will lead you wrong or rip you off but if your just pickup trying out then custom winders might not be your thing right now and I would suggest some of the off the shelf Duncans which are quite good too.

captcoolaid
February 5th, 2012, 04:37 PM
A5 or A3 mags. Not sure if this is breaking the rules but I am.

Whoa Tele
February 5th, 2012, 05:32 PM
A5 or A3 mags. Not sure if this is breaking the rules but I am.

My understanding is that A3 are darker/beefy/smoother and A5's are twangier.

Rob DiStefano
February 5th, 2012, 09:22 PM
anyone set up for winding and knows what they're doing can build that pup - just make the call.

i like using 43pe wire and .688 a3 mags, but wind for more than 10k for a fatter tone - 43 wire is very different than 42 wire, in more than a few ways.