skipjackrc4
January 1st, 2012, 01:50 PM
Hi all. I'm designing a circuit centered around an opamp, and am planning on using a single 9V or 18V supply (single polarity either way.) What's the best way to do this?
Most documents that I have read use V+ and GND, and bias the the input signal with either a voltage divider or zeners.
Is there a reason that you can't use a voltage divider and a virtual ground, giving the opamp +V/2 and -V/2? The input can then be left centered at 0V. I know that this works, but I have seen very few designs set up this way. What is wrong with it?
Big John Studd
January 1st, 2012, 06:59 PM
Generally speaking you can do this. I'm on my ipad and can't paste the link, but one of the big semiconductor manufacturers has a nice application note on single sided op amp circuits that describes the various approaches and pros/cons of each. I think it's Texas Instruments or maybe National.
dsutton24
January 1st, 2012, 07:05 PM
You can do this with very small signals. It'll be a battery hog, though.
FenderLover
January 1st, 2012, 07:58 PM
It's a little difficult finding schematics of pedals using op amps that don't use that method because nearly all pedals run from a single supply, right? Scroll down to the "re-house gone bad" thread on this forum and you'll find a schematic example of the Danelectro Transparent Overdrive. The reference voltage there is not at 1/2Vcc as their own design feature, but a great many pedals just use two 10K resistors and divide the Vcc in half.
That method is not a battery hog either - 0.5mA for a 1/2Vcc reference is consuming 0.00225 watts. That's nothing compared to what a single LED is going to draw.
dsutton24
January 1st, 2012, 08:14 PM
That method is not a battery hog either - 0.5mA for a 1/2Vcc reference is consuming 0.00225 watts. That's nothing compared to what a single LED is going to draw.
Agreed, as long as all you're doing is powering 20K worth of resistors and an LED. Most pedals do quite a bit more. :mrgreen:
Big John Studd
January 1st, 2012, 11:40 PM
A great many pedals just use two 10K resistors and divide the Vcc in half.
That method is not a battery hog either - 0.5mA for a 1/2Vcc reference is consuming 0.00225 watts. That's nothing compared to what a single LED is going to draw.
I agree with FenderLover. I have used simple 10k or 33k voltage dividers for single sided op amp circuits that run for days (literally) on a 9-volt battery.
A nice trick...maybe the next step up in complexity, and not always necessary...is to buffer the output of the voltage divider with a simple op amp buffer, the output of which is also 4.5 V DC (or whatever the output of the voltage divider is).
Agreed, as long as all you're doing is powering 20K worth of resistors and an LED. Most pedals do quite a bit more. :mrgreen:
And I agree with dsutton24 here too. In other words...the complete circuit may darn well kill a battery in several hours or several days, but either way I think the voltage divider (or other approach) is typically not going to be a significant contributor to the total current drawn from the supply.
skipjackrc4
January 2nd, 2012, 12:14 AM
Generally speaking you can do this. I'm on my ipad and can't paste the link, but one of the big semiconductor manufacturers has a nice application note on single sided op amp circuits that describes the various approaches and pros/cons of each. I think it's Texas Instruments or maybe National.
I found this. It was TI. Just do a search for "single supply opamp" and you'll get it. Thanks!