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My Craigslist Recruiting Story

MN Punk
August 8th, 2011, 05:01 AM
A lot of posts in the "Band Wagon" forum from people lamenting how difficult it is to find band-mates, some of you even saying it's not worth the hassle at all. I relay this story to you in order to perhaps lift your spirits a bit.

It all started a few years back when I finally watched the movie "Hedwig and the Angry Inch." It's a Mockumentary in the style of Spinal Tap based on an off-Broadway gay-anthem musical. Not only is it a pretty funny movie, but the songs are AMAZING. It drove the point home to me that old-school glam and old-school punk are really cut of the same cloth.

Then, a couple years later, I stayed up late and watched a documentary on NetFlix about the bassist from New York Dolls, and thought to myself "goddammit! Somebody should be doing this! Nobody does this in my town! I wanna do this!"

So even though I'm already in one local band, I decided to launch a side project. A band committed to the rock-and-roll spirit of 70s glam and proto-punk. I'm a pretty good bass player, and an okay-ish guitarist, and can even get by on drums if I must. I figured I would seek like-minded individuals and whatever instrument I didn't get, that's what I would fill in on. I didn't care what I would be doing in the band, I just wanted the band to happen.

So I put an ad in Craigslist with the headline, "CRAPPY MUSICIANS WANTED"

In it, I said I was forming a cover band that would favor music we loved over hits, and I looking for people who wanted to play too fast, too loud, and too sloppy with no taste in sleazy little bars in front of almost no people for no money. I closed the ad with the line, "freaks, misfits and queers strongly preferred." And I included a couple of publicity photos of Iggy Pop, the New York Dolls, and Lou Reed to make sure people had an idea of what I was aiming for.

Oddly enough the FIRST person to reply was a bass player. He was a huge fan of pretty much all the bands that inspired this project, and had some suggestions for covers that told me he was on EXACTLY the same page as me. So... I guess I won't be the bassist. Huh.

I was swamped with ads for guitarists, and frankly had no desire to hold auditions. So I took the 4 e-mails from people who sounded the most "cool" to me, and told them they were in. I figured one or two were bound to flake out, and if not, WHY NOT have an army of guitarists on stage? It would be attention-getting, and it's not like we were expecting the checks for this project to be worth splitting up anyway.

I also heard from several drummers, almost all of whom flaked out. We rolled with the one that stuck around. A 20 year old kid who tended to rush a bit on tempos sometimes, but fit the style we wanted well.

So suddenly, I find myself with a band which I'm not only managing, but fronting, since there's no job left for me except to be the lead vocalist. I don't even think of myself as a singer at all.

Most shocking of all, the level of quality of musicians I ended up recruiting was OUTSTANDING. It turns out that the world (or at least the Twin Cities) is brimming over with great players sitting in their bedrooms or man-caves, working hard on their scales and playing along with their favorite albums, just waiting for somebody like me to invite them to join me on stage, and perhaps mostly by luck, I got the cream of the crop.

We eventually did end up with just two guitarists. One that plays a thin-line into a solid-state amp who uses a lot of effects, and another that plays a Gibson Les Paul into a Marshall JCM800 half-stack (of course) with nothing on it but a little dirt. They trade off solos and mesh like a perfect iconic guitar duo. We've also added an auxiliary percussionist, a keyboard/sax player, and two backup singers, bringing our roster up to NINE members! :shock:

We play covers of T. Rex, Bowie, Sex Pistols, and of course the Dolls, among others. We've mixed in a few from more modern bands like Electric Six, and obscure forgotten classics like Tonio K. Absolutely no "hair metal" or the usual wedding-band hits that all the other cover bands in town do. We've all got other jobs and/or other bands so we've got zero goals for accomplishments beyond putting on a show we can be proud of.

We've been through a few line-up changes, but the core of the band has now been together for two years. What's more, to this day I've yet to fire anybody from the band. My list of rules is short & sweet: Show up (or at least let me know why you can't), don't be an ass, and learn your parts on your own time. Beyond that, I tolerate just about everything. Oh, I take that back... One more rule came about: Our hand-percussionist is a cop, so he can't see anybody doing illegal drugs. As far as I know, nobody has shown up to a gig high, and as long as I don't know about it, I don't consider it an issue.

We've played everything from a rough gay bar in the Lake Superior harbor to massive festival stages to private house parties. Some gigs payed well enough that we were able to buy a band trailer for road-trips, while others... we effectively lost money from doing them.

Now we're working on writing some original songs. (Two years of covers before writing anything seems about right to me. That's how a lot of my favorite bands started out, after all.) We're also talking about taking some of the band "slush fund" money and self-producing an album to put out on iTunes and elsewhere.

This Fall/Winter, we're also working on putting together a "revue" show of "Hedwig and the Angry Inch", in which we intend to perform all of the songs from the show, with me stringing them together with monologues while performing as the Hedwig character. (We've invited our friends from the local band Rape Door to be a part of that project, performing the song "Freaks" while I'm doing a costume change. They've informed me that they're excited to do it.)

I'm having so much fun with this band it's stupid. Some people have darts night or softball teams or bowling leagues... I have an enormous semi-pro glam/punk freak-show that keeps landing bigger and bigger opportunities and enjoys every moment of it. These people are like family to me now, and until recently they were total strangers to me.

So yeah, if you want to launch a band from nothing, you CAN find other players with the same goals. Even if you've had poor luck doing so in the past, keep trying. It sure beats sitting at home wishing you had a band.

(Shameless plug: My big ridiculous glam/punk band is called Parental Advisory. (http://glamarmy.com) The link takes you to our web page, which our fabulous bass player worked very hard on. Feel free to poke around if you're curious.)

jjfatz42
August 8th, 2011, 05:40 AM
That is completely & totally cool. I found our steel player on CL. Just a fluke deal. We had just started our little band & his ad showed up looking for a band. If you knew what a rural & small area I'm in, you would realize how unreal it was that he was looking at the same time we were getting started up. He is one of only a couple steelers around here & he is one of the best (if not the best) I've ever heard play the instrument. Going on two years with my band as well & we have had a revolving door with both bass players & drummers, but things are looking up.

I've been writing songs for a long time & we have a demo up on reverbnation & are starting work on an album. It's all WAY too much fun.

BottyGuy
August 8th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Great story, I like your song list.

I started a basement band with some friends about 6 months ago, we've been playing in the drummers basement. The drummer and bass player were always talking about jamming when they had a few beers but nothing came of it, I finally figured I had to force the issue and started nagging them a few times a week until the three of us started playing.

We've picked up a singer/other guitarist and occasional keyboard player since then and it's been a blast. Our first "gig" is the week after next at my wife's birthday party (she's a sport).

My only issue is that our singer has a pretty nice voice that works pretty good for classic/southern rock, but can't really do a punk attitude. I would like to do some songs by the Clash, Velvet Underground, Ramones, or Iggy Pop but we haven't gotten anywhere because they don't work with his voice. I've barely gotten him to do a Uncle Tupelo version of Truck Driving Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYdlgOmxwI) I have to remind him that is should be more Clash than Cash.

Anyway I think you've inspired me to try to do the vocals on these songs, I think I'll need to take some lessons though to overcome my fear of sucking.

jjfatz42
August 8th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Great story, I like your song list.

I started a basement band with some friends about 6 months ago, we've been playing in the drummers basement. The drummer and bass player were always talking about jamming when they had a few beers but nothing came of it, I finally figured I had to force the issue and started nagging them a few times a week until the three of us started playing.

We've picked up a singer/other guitarist and occasional keyboard player since then and it's been a blast. Our first "gig" is the week after next at my wife's birthday party (she's a sport).

My only issue is that our singer has a pretty nice voice that works pretty good for classic/southern rock, but can't really do a punk attitude. I would like to do some songs by the Clash, Velvet Underground, Ramones, or Iggy Pop but we haven't gotten anywhere because they don't work with his voice. I've barely gotten him to do a Uncle Tupelo version of Truck Driving Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYdlgOmxwI) I have to remind him that is should be more Clash than Cash.

Anyway I think you've inspired me to try to do the vocals on these songs, I think I'll need to take some lessons though to overcome my fear of sucking.

Do it man. Most of us "singers" weren't born with it. My "abilities" came from sheer PRACTICE.

Best to woodshed it with no one around & as your confidence slowly grows, start singing in front of people u trust. You'll get there if you work at it.

MN Punk
August 8th, 2011, 07:04 PM
I find singing to be 90% confidence. The other 10% being split up between pitch, breath control, and phrasing.

Oh... and not forgetting lyrics. That's the part I mess up more than anything. I've become very good at making up new 2nd verses to songs on the spot, which is a terrifying feeling on stage, especially if it's a song the crowd knows well.

Cameage
August 9th, 2011, 12:52 AM
My boss and his friend, both gay, used to play covers of songs from that era on Pride Day here in Baltimore. They were always booed off the stage, because everyone just wanted to hear dance songs. No one wanted to hear any Bowie or T. Rex or even Todd Rundgren's Bitch.

String Tree
August 9th, 2011, 01:32 AM
Excellent!!!

jjfatz42
August 9th, 2011, 05:40 AM
I find singing to be 90% confidence. The other 10% being split up between pitch, breath control, and phrasing.

Oh... and not forgetting lyrics. That's the part I mess up more than anything. I've become very good at making up new 2nd verses to songs on the spot, which is a terrifying feeling on stage, especially if it's a song the crowd knows well.

1000% agree. And all of what she said WILL come with practice. I started singing out of necessity. How else was I gonna get MY songs across? When I first started I was absolutely hands down horrible. Now, I am considered one of the "best" singers in the area. It's almost laughable to me, but it's not because I can hit notes like Whitney, or have the "soul" of Willie. It's what mnpunk said; confidence.

Justinvs
August 9th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Cool story! Glad it worked out so well for you.

Justin

magicguitar
August 9th, 2011, 10:31 AM
Cool story... glad some things work out.

MN Punk
August 9th, 2011, 12:25 PM
My boss and his friend, both gay, used to play covers of songs from that era on Pride Day here in Baltimore. They were always booed off the stage, because everyone just wanted to hear dance songs. No one wanted to hear any Bowie or T. Rex or even Todd Rundgren's Bitch.

OMG, I would *LOVE* to get booed off a stage! We've played the main stage at Twin Cities Pride two years in a row now and people there really love us. We keep taking rural biker-bar gigs and stuff like that at every opportunity. We haven't been booed or had stuff thrown at us yet, but it certainly isn't for lack of trying!

Maybe the cuteness of our backup singers (who go-go dance on the songs where they don't have parts) are a factor in people tolerating us. Or perhaps it's our crowd fluffer (our nuttiest, wildest, drunkiest friend who dances around and whips people up during our sets.) Whatever the case, we've yet to provoke the kind of hostility we usually are braced for.

Old Cane
August 9th, 2011, 04:31 PM
OMG, I would *LOVE* to get booed off a stage!

I guess my wife is right. I don't understand anything.

jjfatz42
August 9th, 2011, 04:39 PM
I guess my wife is right. I don't understand anything.

Just go ahead & accept that she's always right. No exceptions. :razz:

Guit-jitsu
August 9th, 2011, 04:48 PM
Ha! Love the back story. All I've found on craigslist so far is 192 flakes and 2 great deals on guitars. Not giving up yet :)

MN Punk
August 10th, 2011, 06:41 AM
I think part of the key to my good fortune was putting an ad up asking for "crappy" musicians.

There seems to be an inverse relationship between a musician's opinion of their playing and the quality of their playing. The better and more seasoned you get, the more recognition you have of how far you have to go. By asking for people who considered themselves "crappy musicians", I ended up getting a whole bunch of people who took their craft seriously, but didn't have hideous ego problems.

We have fun at every single weekly rehearsal, and even more fun at our gigs, and it's entirely because I've assembled a bunch of people that I genuinely like being around. I intend to keep this band going for as long as they continue to put up with me.

Martin R
August 10th, 2011, 09:21 AM
What a great story. Congrats.

Balou
August 10th, 2011, 10:04 AM
I must admit I find this a fantastic story !
That's what music and enterteaining is all about !
Carry on have fun , enjoy yourselves !

syrynx
August 11th, 2011, 02:57 AM
I think part of the key to my good fortune was putting an ad up asking for "crappy" musicians.

There seems to be an inverse relationship between a musician's opinion of their playing and the quality of their playing. The better and more seasoned you get, the more recognition you have of how far you have to go.
That has been exactly my own experience.

I hope that all of you can remain on the same page for many years.

cyclopean
August 30th, 2011, 10:50 PM
that's cool, but i'd never play a gig with a band called "rape door". not cool.

MN Punk
August 31st, 2011, 02:56 PM
that's cool, but i'd never play a gig with a band called "rape door". not cool.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I love those guys.

g9or7uFtt44

bingy
August 31st, 2011, 07:52 PM
You're entitled to your opinion, but I love those guys.

g9or7uFtt44

You're entitled to your opinion.
My opinion runs completely the opposite.
That's life.

Agitator
September 13th, 2011, 10:47 AM
This sounds awesome. I want to see your band. This has restored my dream of starting a skinny-tie new wave/power pop cover band.

Agitator
September 13th, 2011, 10:48 AM
PS: TONIO K.!!!!

MN Punk
September 14th, 2011, 02:00 AM
PS: TONIO K.!!!!

Probably five people in a thousand who have any idea who he is, but I live for the day that somebody comes to one of our shows and sings along when we cover something of his.

Agitator
September 14th, 2011, 07:49 AM
Little Willie Caesar was in trouble
He was running like a bandit through his longest, darkest night.
All that Willie lacked, in fact, was a shovel,
So he could have dug himself his own grave, saved everybody some time.

toddfan
September 14th, 2011, 08:22 AM
You're entitled to your opinion, but I love those guys.

g9or7uFtt44

...oops...sorry, for a moment, I thought that chick was Courtney Love. :oops:


Congrats on getting the band together though! Nice story.

MN Punk
September 15th, 2011, 05:08 PM
...oops...sorry, for a moment, I thought that chick was Courtney Love. :oops:

That's Nicole Jean Rode, a Minneapolis treasure. Not only does she front that band for about half of their show, but she spends the other half playing drums, and whether she's singing or drumming, she's a skinny bundle of (almost literally) naked rock and roll energy at every show they do.

Seriously, the YouTubes don't do them justice. You have to experience them live. I've never once taken somebody to a Rape Door show and had them leave being anything less than astonished.

whoisalhedges
September 16th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Awesome! And yeah, I would definitely come see your band. You should take the show on the road to Milwaukee. :wink:

The most I got from Craigslist when I posted a couple of years ago was a drummer and singer couple who pretty much took over everything, and some guy who played the laptop.

Old Cane
September 21st, 2011, 02:28 PM
I think I am already astonished. Wow. I'm impressed too. I got through over a minute and half! You guys spend a lot of time indoors, don't you? And you know I'm kidding. About the indoors part. But this is why I always bring an extra pack of Camels.I can go outside and wait it out.

MN Punk
September 22nd, 2011, 12:18 PM
You guys spend a lot of time indoors, don't you?

(That's not us.)

MN Punk
September 22nd, 2011, 12:25 PM
Although nobody would accuse us of being over-tanned either...

http://glamarmy.com/images/bv01074.jpg

http://glamarmy.com/images/bv01128.jpg

Wrong-Note Rod
September 22nd, 2011, 12:45 PM
Great story! I 've had a mix of experiences from Craigslist recruiting, a couple of good things, some really laughable things, and one thing that got ugly pretty quick

Old Cane
September 22nd, 2011, 03:45 PM
(That's not us.)

I know. I meant you "northerners".

MN Punk
September 22nd, 2011, 03:52 PM
I know. I meant you "northerners".

Nah, we spend plenty of time outside. Never heard of ice fishing? :cool:

Old Cane
September 22nd, 2011, 04:01 PM
Yeah, you know I'm kidding, right? I grew up not too far south of you. "close the door! it's cold outside!".

Ed Storer
October 5th, 2011, 12:53 PM
MN Punk, Thanks for posting your story.

I tried something similar here in Seattle. I posted MEDIOCRE MUSICIANS WANTED.

28 hours later, I'd found a drummer, lead vocalist, pedal steel guitar and keys. Were set to have our first session next Friday. Fortunately I had a lead guitarist (from previous band) and practice room set up.

I would have not come up with that idea on my own.

Since I advertised for mediocre musicians, I want to name us "The B minus 6" (reference to GPA).

Thanks for the post.

MN Punk
October 5th, 2011, 09:27 PM
MN Punk, Thanks for posting your story.

I tried something similar here in Seattle. I posted MEDIOCRE MUSICIANS WANTED.

28 hours later, I'd found a drummer, lead vocalist, pedal steel guitar and keys. Were set to have our first session next Friday. Fortunately I had a lead guitarist (from previous band) and practice room set up.

I would have not come up with that idea on my own.

Since I advertised for mediocre musicians, I want to name us "The B minus 6" (reference to GPA).

Thanks for the post.

Hearing that a band came about because I shared my story makes me extremely happy that I did. If you get big enough to tour and need a Minneapolis opener, hit me up. :cool:

Colin
October 18th, 2011, 11:21 AM
This is a great idea !
I think I'll try the same over here.

Colin
October 19th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Ok, I've placed the ad in few sites, lets see what turns up...