Help me adjust the color of the next coat please

I'm working on a blackguard type body and I was looking for this color here (note: I can't recall which forum members guit this is but kudos, it's beautiful).

http://www.tresgatosguitars.com/images/51_2_1024.jpg

After my first coat I have this color which is nice but not exactly what I was after.

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb-1.jpg

So for the second color coat should I add a drop of brown or amber or yellow or all or none or...???

I have medium brown, dark brown and amber tint, also some mixol #25 white and #7 yellow to work with. Can I get closer than I am now?

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb-10.jpg

I'm thinking the color of the glass jar threw me off a bit, it seems real close to the first picture in the jar but I guess I didn't notice how different it looked when I poured it in my gun.

That is similiar to one I built.

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/coltwknight/knight_pinecaster2.jpg

1. I think you need to add more pigment to your lacquer. The color looks super thin.
2. I think you need to add some more brown to your mix ratio.

When I mix BSB in a single color like this
1. Add white till I get a nice milky white lacquer.
2. Add a bit of brown to get a dirty white color.
3. Then add yellow to get a butterscotch color
4. Then add some amber to give it that creamy/golden look.

Yes that's true the color is super thin, I actually wanted to see the crazy looking wood under the finish so I was trying for thin, but maybe it's too thin?

So I'll start with adding brown, except my brown is transtint dye not pigment. Will that help? Or should I add in more #25 and #7 mixol so it's more opaque and then try and get to the desired color?

Thanks for the help Colt.

That yellow is way too bright. I use the #5 oxide yellow and get the result your after. Dont add anymore white cause you'll start to lose the grain. Try some brown & yellow to get it close and if you need it darker you can add some brown to the final clear coats. Try it on some scrap first so you have an idea of where your going.

More yellow will only make it brighter. Add some brown, and if it's got a mustard feel to it then a touch of red will counter the green. Too much red will make it salmon colored (don't ask me how I know that).

So I agree that brown would be the next thing to try.

IDK, I like that color. And those thin coats will add up faster than ya think.

IDK, I like that color. And those thin coats will add up faster than ya think.


I think you will get there with more coats, you may get to much coverage in fact. So you may want to cut you mix with more clear lacquer if you want to put a good heavy coating and not obcscure the grain too too much.

just my 2 cent...

Alright I'm getting closer, thanks for the input everybody, it helped.

I went to add 1 drop of brown and 2 came out, which made it way too brown. So I added yellow to get some of the dark brown out and I like it now. Pretty soon I'll have something to contribute to the blackguard owners thread.

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb1.jpg

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb2.jpg

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb3.jpg

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb4.jpg

http://www.fifty5five.com/tele/jag/bsb5.jpg

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/brzys/guitars/esquire_258.jpg

get a bottle of number 5 or number 6
that will provide the brown tint you are seeking.

be careful not to add too much though. The opaque dyes can hide your beautiful grain pattern in a hurry.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/brzys/guitars/esquire_258.jpg

get a bottle of number 5 or number 6
that will provide the brown tint you are seeking.

be careful not to add too much though. The opaque dyes can hide your beautiful grain pattern in a hurry.

My original plan was to follow your exact recipe that you posted in another thread, I really liked the color of the 6 bodies you had hanging in your picture. The problem was my local woodcraft store didn't have all the mixol colors you used and, well I wasn't patient enough to order them and wait so I tried to achieve your color using the transtint dye along with the mixols that were available. I'm pretty happy with the color now, although yours looked awesome, nice job.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/brzys/guitars/esquire_258.jpg

get a bottle of number 5 or number 6
that will provide the brown tint you are seeking.

be careful not to add too much though. The opaque dyes can hide your beautiful grain pattern in a hurry.

Whoa!!! Just noticed your gallon of brushing lacquer. Did you spray that? Did you thin it? Did it work good? So many questions :grin:. Being in California sprayable lacquer is next to impossible to buy, but I can get the brushing stuff easy.

I've sprayed the Deft Brushing Lacquer and it sprays fine thinned at around 20%, but it takes forever (4 months or more) for it to get hard enough to polish.

I've sprayed the Deft Brushing Lacquer and it sprays fine thinned at around 20%, but it takes forever (4 months or more) for it to get hard enough to polish.

Yep, I got a gallon of Watco semi gloss brushing lacquer, and thinned even less than that. It took forever it seemed before I could move on with getting it done, and stunk for a long time as well.. Live and learn....

Rcole & robt57,

I think the reason for the lengthy drying time is that the nitrocullose content on brushing lacquers is very high 15-20% in the case of Watco. Contrast that to about 5% for Watco in the rattle can.

What I do when I spray the brushing lac is to use 3oz acetone, 1oz lac thinner, 2 oz of lacquer. This sprays really well, lays down nicely, and the cure time is around 3 weeks.

ACK

Used Minwax brushing lacquer thinned 50/50 with lacquer thinner on my last build. Gassed of and was ready to sand after 30 days. had some roblems with orange peel, but I think that was me and the gun, not the lacquer. It's sold at Walmart her in spray cans also.

I think you are shooting the right color. You just need to add a few more coats to get the finished color you want. I wouldn't go any darker or you are gonna be too dark when you put on a couple of more coats. Looks Great.