Where is Chorus in your chain???

I'm curious...I was flipping through an old Boss "Guitar Effects Guide Book" I came across in my "stuff", and in it they state it is important to run a chorus pedal after a delay pedal. :confused: I've always put delay dead last in my set-up. What gives? Have I been doing it wrong all these years??? Why would you want to send a chopped up signal to the chorus unit???

Thoughts?

I'm curious...I was flipping through an old Boss "Guitar Effects Guide Book" I came across in my "stuff", and in it they state it is important to run a chorus pedal after a delay pedal. :confused: I've always put delay dead last in my set-up. What gives? Have I been doing it wrong all these years??? Why would you want to send a chopped up signal to the chorus unit???

Thoughts?

I put my chorus before my delay in my effects loop...makes sense what you're saying. I always have delay last.

I always put it next to last, before delays.

I would put it after the delay, particularly if you are using a lot of chorus depth. Chorus has a vibrato (pitch-shifting) sweep to it. A delayed signal acts like a sustained note and allows the sweep to arc.

Chorus before the delay repeats the part of the arc and makes it clash in an out-of-tune mess. You are chopping up the pitch-shifting signal.

If you use very subtle chorus and/or a quick delay, you might not notice this, but it's there.

I place Chorus before Delay.

I would put it after the delay, particularly if you are using a lot of chorus depth. Chorus has a vibrato (pitch-shifting) sweep to it. A delayed signal acts like a sustained note and allows the sweep to arc.

Chorus before the delay repeats the part of the arc and makes it clash in an out-of-tune mess. You are chopping up the pitch-shifting signal.

If you use very subtle chorus and/or a quick delay, you might not notice this, but it's there.

Hmmmmm...verrrry interesting.

...somewhere back in the '80s.

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

...somewhere back in the '80s.

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

Your chorus pedal is probably keeping my flanger company back in the '80s.

What Tele295 said.

I don't have a chorus pedal, but if I did, it would be the last thing, but right before the delay, or time based effects.

...somewhere back in the '80s.

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

ah you beat me to the punch...

In the loop

...somewhere back in the '80s.

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

I don't get the chorus hate...never seems to have affected Pat Metheny or Mike Stern.

Have I been doing it wrong all these years???

Nothing is wrong (tm). If it sounds good to you, it's right :!:

I prefer it before delay and before dirt usually, same with flanger! I don't use mod. with dirt much, but I prefer the more subtle effect when it's in front.

off... Makes a great clean sound muddy with my fingers... I used to run it in the loop before the delay if that helps.

I always put my delay dead-last in the chain, after my chorus. My reasoning is...the delay effect is supposed to replicate the real-world scenario of your sound echoing off the back wall of whatever place you're playing in...therefore by default it would have to be the 'last effect' applied to your signal in order to sound the most natural. Perhaps I'm mistaken in that logic.

This reminds me of a horrorible gig in an old brick firehall where there was absolutely no sound absorbtion and the FOH sound was slapping off the back wall and coming right back at us about a half-second later at nearly full volume...it was screwing the whole band up all night...

i use it before time based effects, and after comp, distortion, wah whatever... probably true about it interfering with delay etc. but, like was said, its hard to hear it.

btw, if i remember correctly, pat metheny doesnt use an actual chorus effect i.e. rack/pedal. im pretty sure i read in an interview that he uses different set delays between two amps and it causes a chorusing effect. like two reel to reel recorders set out of time/phase with each other, running the same program... to cause flanging/chorusing/phasing etc. (modulation effects)

rand z

btw, if i remember correctly, pat metheny doesnt use an actual chorus effect i.e. rack/pedal. im pretty sure i read in an interview that he uses different set delays between two amps and it causes a chorusing effect. like two reel to reel recorders set out of time/phase with each other, running the same program... to cause flanging/chorusing/phasing etc. (modulation effects)

This is true and I don't even think he does that anymore. His sound has been pretty dry for years.

Stored in a box in the basement, far away from my signal chain.

I put mine in the recycle bin.

I'm curious...I was flipping through an old Boss "Guitar Effects Guide Book" I came across in my "stuff", and in it they state it is important to run a chorus pedal after a delay pedal. :confused: I've always put delay dead last in my set-up. What gives? Have I been doing it wrong all these years??? Why would you want to send a chopped up signal to the chorus unit???

Thoughts?

I used to place chorus just like you do.

i use it before time based effects, and after comp, distortion, wah whatever... probably true about it interfering with delay etc. but, like was said, its hard to hear it.

btw, if i remember correctly, pat metheny doesnt use an actual chorus effect i.e. rack/pedal. im pretty sure i read in an interview that he uses different set delays between two amps and it causes a chorusing effect. like two reel to reel recorders set out of time/phase with each other, running the same program... to cause flanging/chorusing/phasing etc. (modulation effects)

rand z

same general effect.

Chorus gets a bad rap lately...I'm sure it will come into vogue again.

For the record...the Dano CC-1 is seriously the best chorus I've ever played...and I've had and heard some good ones over the years...the secret is in the mix knob.

same general effect.

Chorus gets a bad rap lately...I'm sure it will come into vogue again.


Possibly. It's been 15 years, though. And 20 years since people used chorus for chorus rather than the Nirvana/Medicine trippy vibrato sound.

My chorus keeps getting bumped off my board.

I readily admit it got to be too much of a good thing in the '80s thanks to Andy Summers, etc., but Chorus still has its applications. Subtlety and moderation is the key, as with most effects.

Someone recently recently posted a video of the Pretenders doing "Tattooed Love Boys." Now, Honeyman-Scott knew how to use Chorus.

My chorus keeps getting bumped off my board.

Mine keeps getting bumped back on...I really think it's just because that Dano CC-1 is so darn good!...so musical and versatile...great pedal...except for the case and stupid knobbies...for a $40 pedal, just not worth the hassle of rehousing.

Possibly. It's been 15 years, though. And 20 years since people used chorus for chorus rather than the Nirvana/Medicine trippy vibrato sound.

Very true,but it really depends on the style of music you are playing,right?You certainly wouldnt use it much for spaghetti western or surf though.

[QUOTE=E5RSY; I readily admit it got to be too much of a good thing in the '80s thanks to Andy Summers, etc., but Chorus still has its applications. Subtlety and moderation is the key, as with most effects.[/QUOTE]

Big + 1

Usually 3rd last- before delay and reverb.

I prefer an old analog chorus for chord strumming or finger picking but not so much for lead work unless maybe it's done with the neck pickup and some gain. I rarely use my chorus though it does stay on my board. I never use it with delay because I prefer a delay sound where only the repeats are modulated while the original signal remains unaffected and pure. A lot of modern delays offer this feature and I think it makes for much more interesting lead playing. I think chorus sounded great when used by Summers, The Police and especially The Cure. I did not like it when Clapton used it back in the eighties and it sounded horrible when Country radio guys used it in the ninties. Between Buck and Brad there were a lot of mistakes made with Tele tones. As for Kurt Cobain, his Chorus pedal and DS-1 combined with his lack of inhibition saved us from homogenized butt rock. Thanks Kurt.

Going against all conventional wisdom, I put my CE-2 right after my tuner and before everything else which consists of a distortion, an overdrive, a booster and then a delay. That said, it's always on and practically transparent 90% of the time. It's mostly set with both knobs between 7:00 & 9:00 just to thicken things up.

The best advice I ever got was to forget whatever everyone tells you. Move everything around until you find the combination that pleases your ears most.