is this possible with a standard 5-way switch?

Is the following possible to do with a following 5-way switch?
1 neck pickup
2 bridge and neck in parallel
3 bridge pickup
4 bridge and neck pickup in series out of phase.
5 doesnt matter.

I am fairly certain with one of the super switches anything is possible. Here is a link to one @ stew mac http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Components:_Switches_and_knobs/Super_Switch.html

I used one of these and 2 push pull pots and I get 17 different sounds from my tele.

An old roommate of mine had a tele with all of those settings and the fifth position was the bridge and neck in series (in phase)... Not sure what switch was used (or how it was wired), but it's definitely possible.

I'm sure someone (cc9cii?) will jump in here and help you out with a wiring diagram soon.

i know i can do this with a superswitch, but i am looking for how to do this with a standard 5 way switch
thank you

After fifteen minutes playing with the puzzle, far as I can tell, it's not possible with a standard "Strat" 8-lug 5-way.

The first link in this post (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-tech/181355-just-little-wiring-help-new-guy.html#post2081956) gives you what you want. I'm not sure if I like the order of positions (I like bridge and neck in either extremes), but the one you want are there.

There are other combinations, actually a *lot* of combinations. :shock:

It LOOKS to me like those schematics have the pickups in series with caps, but never in series with each other - in OR out of phase...

Yeah, I had to look a couple of times (or 5) before I saw it, too. Position 2 has both switch lugs connected to the common (i.e. like a strat 5 way), so in that position:

PU2 hot is connected to ground (lower half of the switch)
PU2 negative is connected to the volume via a cap in series(top lug of the top half of the switch)

PU1 hot is also connected to the volume pot (middle lug of the top half of the switch)
PU1 negative is always connected to ground.

i.e. PU1 & PU2 is in parallel, out of phase

The Strat switch is a clever device, I've been thinking about modifying one to allow some wacky combinations.

i decided to use the bill lawrence 5 way switch mod for tele, with the out of phase with the cap added.
Is it possible to get the 2 pickups in series using a toggle switch? thanks

i decided to use the bill lawrence 5 way switch mod for tele, with the out of phase with the cap added.
Is it possible to get the 2 pickups in series to go with the 2 positions on the 5 way that uses both pickups? thanks

Not farmiliar with the wiring you mention, if you have a link I'll have a look to see what you want can be done.

here is the wiring i am using. after reading my previous post i realize i didnt explain what i want exactly
what i want to do now is add a toggle switch to the mix to change from parallel to series. then anywhere 2 pickups are used with the toggle up it will be series and with the toggle down parellel

thanks

That looks *so* similar to the one discussed earlier, except the pickups are swapped. It also has the DE style...

I don't think what you want can be done with a single addition of a toggle switch. I have a feeling that you'll need a different selector switch in addition to a toggle.

I found this diagram from deaf-eddies site, (hope thats ok eddie.) uses a push pull pot to go to, out of phase-series . why couldnt i use this with the 5 way diagram Above . maybe the answer's obvious to one who knows about this stuff. I dont.
thank you.

http://deaf-eddie.net/drawings/tele-s-oop.jpg

That diagram:

1. uses different switches
2. gives you different pickup combinations

to the one you mentioned earlier.

I guess I'm answering your exact question, without offering alternatives that you might be willing to settle. It is difficult to offer alternatives if you've not indicated the framework/boundary of what you'll be happy with.

e.g. perhaps you must use the strat 5 way switch or perhaps you're willing to go to 2 wafer super switch

perhaps you want two push-pulls, or may be you only want to use one toggle

etc, etc

All i have here to work with is a strat 5 way switch and I can get a toggle switch easy at radio shack. i guess what i really want to know is.. what options do i have with a regular strat switch and toggle switch to get other sounds(such as series-out of phase) beside the 3 basic tele options,with 2 pickups?

hey thanks for all your help i really appreciate it.

Yes, those are both my drawings. It's OK to post them here, as long as you give me a little credit...

YES, you could add a phase-reverse switch (toggle or p/p) to the neck pup in the first drawing, and that would add to the five tones the parallel/out of phase and series/in phase-with-a-cap (which would tame the series combo a bit). It would NOT be wired the same as the p/p in the second drawing, though - different scheme.

Yes, those are both my drawings. It's OK to post them here, as long as you give me a little credit...

YES, you could add a phase-reverse switch (toggle or p/p) to the neck pup in the first drawing, and that would add to the five tones the parallel/out of phase and series/in phase-with-a-cap (which would tame the series combo a bit). It would NOT be wired the same as the p/p in the second drawing, though - different scheme.

Awesome .. Just tell me what needs to be done for this to happen.
Thank you.

Geez, I went through several drawings to come up with this - the Bill Lawrence 5-way scheme for two pups PLUS a switch for series/out of phase:

http://deaf-eddie.net/tdpri-drawings/lawrence-5way-s-oop.jpg

It seems mighty clunky to me... Note that you CANNOT just change the parallel combos to series combos with this scheme. That's tough enough with ANY scheme, but simply not possible with this one.

I'd probably just do the Five-Tone-Tele scheme - you're gonna have to buy an extra switch anyway (p/p or mini-toggle), why not just go for the Superswitch to replace the 5-way, and not have to deal with a second switch?

http://deaf-eddie.net/drawings/5-tone.jpg

Don't forget that you must do the unground/reground (http://deaf-eddie.net/drawings/unground-tele.pdf) thang to the neck pup's metal cover for any and all of these mods.

BTW, I now realize I mis-spoke here:

YES, you could add a phase-reverse switch (toggle or p/p) to the neck pup in the first drawing, and that would add to the five tones the parallel/out of phase and series/in phase-with-a-cap (which would tame the series combo a bit). It would NOT be wired the same as the p/p in the second drawing, though - different scheme.

You were asking about adding a switch to get SERIES, as the BL 5-way scheme already has parallel/out of phase, so I answered incorrectly. My bad!

The drawing above does what you asked for - adding a switch to get series/out of phase. Sorry for the confusion.

awesome thank you. i think i just might buy a superswitch. I like that last 5 tone tele mod diagram, but i would like to have the parallel/out of phase with cap sound.(sort of like a strat sound. Is there a way with the superswitch to replace position 2. neck and bridge is series with the parallel /out of phase with capacitor?

thank you .. you guys are awesome.

Is there a way with the superswitch to replace position 2. neck and bridge is series with the parallel /out of phase with capacitor?

Sure, you can do just about ANYTHING with a Superswitch - if you look at the Five-Tone-Tele scheme, it only uses three of the four poles!

You just have to pick your favorite five tones...