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Common lick that I should know, but can't figure out.

NealVossy
October 6th, 2009, 03:51 AM
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I know my steel bends, but somebody's gotta tab out an example of what hes doing at :47. That rapid fire machine gun bend there.

Ridge runner
October 6th, 2009, 09:14 AM
don't think this is exactly it..but kind of close..I believe the jam is in A,and this lick is played when they go to the forth chord"D",So I guess you'd could call it a forth chord lick.
E-----4---4-------------------------
B--B5---5---RB5------------------------
G----------------7---------------
D--------------------------------
A-------------------------------
E-----------------------------
Do a whole step bend with middle finger on the second string 5th fret "e" catch the G#
on the first string with the index finger then release bend and catch D on 7th fret third string with pinky.

Valvey
October 6th, 2009, 06:23 PM
He's using a B Bender there. You can tell cuz he's pushing down on the neck instead of pushing up on the strings with his fingers.

Twang King
October 6th, 2009, 06:43 PM
E-----5---3-------------------------
b--b5---5---rb5------------------------
g--------------------------------
d--------------------------------
a-------------------------------
e-----------------------------

hold the bend on the b string until after playing the g then release al la pedal steel

Goluphi
October 6th, 2009, 06:50 PM
That's funny that you're posting this, this lick has also been the bane of my existence. I can't wait to get home and try this out!

jbmando
October 6th, 2009, 06:55 PM
The guy demos the Jazzy in another video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAMPbuxLYpI&feature=channel) and he shows the back - no B Bender. He just moves his arm while he's bending strings.

warmingtone
October 6th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Hmmm...well, getting the guitar out and playing it...it's something like this...I think...

D chord............................................. ......................A chord
E---------5-----3---------2----------------|--------|--
B--B5(7)~~~~~~B5(7r6)~~B5(6r5)~~3-H5-|-repeat-|-5-----
G------------------------------------------|---------|-5(6)---
D------------------------------------------------------
A-------------------------------
E-----------------------------

Or at least some kind of variation on it, not much of a "country player" myself, sounds a bit like the kind of thing you see Arlen Roth play sometimes along with many others I imagine. This was my "imitation" that sounds kind of close.

Got to be sure to bend that E slowly up (in tune) to F# in tune and slowly let the pitch drop down as indicated F#-F-E, neat lick as the other line is traveling down the D chord A-G-F# at the same time making "clashes", got to have a clean tone!

Don't need no B-bender for these licks, and near impossible to fit one on a tremed jazzmaster I'd assume.

...

The other guy illustrates the limitations of playing the minor pentatonic in this kind of context, it's after all a 12 bar blues, but back to back with the major playing it sounds kind of seasick, the bends out of tune and at times as if he is playing out of key (like C major instead of A major). He could have saved it a little if he were to bend those minor thirds up a little to C# or better yet mixed the minor-P with the Maj-P. Oh well, we can't all turn up to a jam with a string of licks prepared earlier...hahhaa

There's a few neat runs in there though...I had first thought that "the lick" was pulling off to the open E, but it's interesting, maybe you could make a different version that does for the A chord or something...thanks, now I ahve another "country-like" lick should I ever find myself in such a jam!

Valvey
October 6th, 2009, 10:25 PM
The guy demos the Jazzy in another video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAMPbuxLYpI&feature=channel) and he shows the back - no B Bender. He just moves his arm while he's bending strings.

You're right, as I can see watching it full screen. There is a similar lick that Vince Gill plays here at 1:42 to 1:48 that I never could get quite right. Maybe someone could tab this one out too:

QbwkIkq3N8k

Tim Bowen
October 7th, 2009, 02:38 AM
Definitely a lick that I'm guilty of overusing. It sounds cool because of that minor second cluster that the combination of the bend and the stationary note produces. Folks often use this lick over major and dominant chords (because it sounds great!), but I also get a lot of mileage out of it over minor chords. For the lick over the D chord in the first clip, also try it over E minor (features the 9 interval) and A minor (implies an Am13 chord). Vince Gill's lick was over a C chord. And yeah, I'd been playing variations on the theme long before I picked up a B Bender guitar. It is lots of fun with with a bender as well though.

To take the minor second cluster interval thing forward a bit (in a way that works over aforementioned chords - and for example, over a D major chord, the part I added implies a DM9), I hope it's cool if I expound on Twang King's tab:

E-----5-------3------------------------
b--b5---(b5)----rb5------5------3-----
g--------------------b4----(b4)----rb4-
d--------------------------------------
a--------------------------------------
e--------------------------------------

Digital tab is fairly tricky with lots of bends and reverse bends, so I hope that makes sense. All the bends are whole step bends.

Valvey
October 7th, 2009, 09:15 PM
You're right, as I can see watching it full screen. There is a similar lick that Vince Gill plays here at 1:42 to 1:48 that I never could get quite right. Maybe someone could tab this one out too:

QbwkIkq3N8k

I think this is what he's playing there. It takes some muscle to keep this up:

e---------15------13--12---------15--12----------13--12------------15------13--12-----------ETC.
B---bh15----15----------rb-bh15--------rb-bh15----------rb-bh15-------15---------rb-bh15--
G--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NealVossy
October 8th, 2009, 03:21 AM
Thanks for all your help everyone. I gotta say one thing, I will never ever in a million years come close to even hitting a single note like Vince Gill does, but you all gotta admit that dudes tone is squashed with in an inch of its life with all 20 of those BOSS boxes he uses.

Ormond
October 8th, 2009, 03:59 AM
I am guessing "bh" means bend half - what does "rb" mean?

Guran
October 8th, 2009, 04:48 AM
I am guessing "bh" means bend half - what does "rb" mean?

No, in this case bh is bend and hold. RB is reverse (or release) bend, like when you release the held bend.

You play second string 15:th fret and bend it up a whole note, pluck first string at 15:th, pick second string (still bent a whole note and continuously held) again, pluck first string at 13:th, slide down to 12:th, pich second at 15:th (still bent) and release the bend. Then immideatly bend it up again and kind of start over.

warmingtone
October 8th, 2009, 05:49 AM
Great to see some transcribing going on here guys...and a neat lick and good to see it work in different ways. People shouldn't be shy to have a go at transcribing things even if it isn't quite right.

The text TAB is frustrating, I got the idea and it's tricky for space, but I tend to need those bracketed fret numbers to show what you are shooting for...I got the idea, but I did wonder what BH mean,t...good stuff though!

Valvey
October 8th, 2009, 09:47 AM
Great to see some transcribing going on here guys...and a neat lick and good to see it work in different ways. People shouldn't be shy to have a go at transcribing things even if it isn't quite right.

The text TAB is frustrating, I got the idea and it's tricky for space, but I tend to need those bracketed fret numbers to show what you are shooting for...I got the idea, but I did wonder what BH mean,t...good stuff though!

Here's a PowerTab (http://www.filedropper.com/vincegillbend)of the Vince Gill bend.

Ward
October 8th, 2009, 01:42 PM
You're right, as I can see watching it full screen. There is a similar lick that Vince Gill plays here at 1:42 to 1:48 that I never could get quite right. Maybe someone could tab this one out too:

QbwkIkq3N8k

I think it's awesome that Vince rolls out on stage in shorts.

TeleBits
October 8th, 2009, 01:58 PM
In the Vince Gill clip , does anyone know who the tele player is at 1:55 ? Green shirt, Black pants .. Thanks .

Ormond
October 8th, 2009, 02:30 PM
PowerTab - is that TabView for a Mac? I do not think PowerTab is made for MacOSX

Ormond
October 8th, 2009, 11:35 PM
....I gotta say one thing, I will never ever in a million years come close to even hitting a single note like Vince Gill does....

Of course you could. I can. It's hitting all the notes that is the trick....

Ormond
October 8th, 2009, 11:37 PM
I think this is what he's playing there. It takes some muscle to keep this up:

If you are using a .013 for the B string, it sure does. I have a B Bender, but that would be cheating.

Valvey
October 9th, 2009, 02:40 AM
I think this is what he's playing there. It takes some muscle to keep this up:

If you are using a .013 for the B string, it sure does. I have a B Bender, but that would be cheating.

Yeah Vince Gill has a strong pair of mits, one reason he's such a good blues player.

You can use your ring and little finger together to do the bend, but then you would have to fret the G on the first string with the middle segment of the little finger.( He may even play it that way. I never saw a clear shot of his hands playing this lick.)

daves561
October 10th, 2009, 07:16 PM
A similar lick can be found in Kerry Marx's "Wide Open" from the Nashville Guitars CD. Check out bars 48-51:

http://www.ohdave.com/guitar/wide_open.pdf

Ormond
October 10th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Hey...who is Dave Shapiro and what else has he transcribed?
Good find.

Ormond
October 10th, 2009, 08:51 PM
NEVER MIND - - - I found it.

http://www.ohdave.com/guitar/

daves561
October 10th, 2009, 11:04 PM
<---------------- :^)

Hey...who is Dave Shapiro and what else has he transcribed?
Good find.

jbmando
October 11th, 2009, 09:36 PM
In the Vince Gill clip , does anyone know who the tele player is at 1:55 ? Green shirt, Black pants .. Thanks .

I think it's Tom Britt.

TeleBits
October 13th, 2009, 12:40 AM
I think it's Tom Britt.

Thank you, sir ...

cousinpaul
October 13th, 2009, 01:55 AM
Here's a variation of that.

E--------15--------14--------13---------------------
B--bh15------bh15------bh15------rb15------13------
G----------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------------
A----------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------

It sounds a little sicker if you let your bend go a half step flat before hitting the 14th. fret F#, then push it back up before hitting the 13th. fret F. Sorry, didn't know how to notate that. hb?

warmingtone
October 13th, 2009, 03:03 AM
Here's a variation of that.

E--------15--------14--------13---------------------
B--bh15------bh15------bh15------rb15------13------
G----------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------------
A----------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------

It sounds a little sicker if you let your bend go a half step flat before hitting the 14th. fret F#, then push it back up before hitting the 13th. fret F. Sorry, didn't know how to notate that. hb?

E-----------15------------14-------------13---------------------
B--bh15(17)------bh15(16)------bh15(17)------(17)rb15------13------
G----------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------------
A----------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------

I think adding the fret you are bending to is a clear way of doing it...the notes in brackets are the notes sounded. You sometimes see transcriptions with +2 for bending two frets but I personally find that confusing.

It certainly is the clash of the bent note/s against the close fretted notes that give this kind of note it's sound...going to sound a bit of a mess with distortion!

Ormond
October 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
I have added Daves561 to my hero list. Great transcriptions. Started Cudge Boogie tonite...there is some classic stuff in there I need to know....Oh, the hours and hours Dave is going to save me.....

cousinpaul
October 13th, 2009, 01:22 PM
warmingtone, thanks for the clarification. It doesn't sound as bad with distortion as you might think because you're not sitting on any of the notes that long.

daves561
October 13th, 2009, 08:30 PM
I have added Daves561 to my hero list. Great transcriptions. Started Cudge Boogie tonite...there is some classic stuff in there I need to know....Oh, the hours and hours Dave is going to save me.....

I hope I'm towards the bottom of that hero list. :wink:

And after a few evenings with a metronome and "Pick It Apart," you might want to revise whether I'm "saving" you hours at all...

[thanks for the kind words.]