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Which 6L6?

mom
September 9th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Been usind =C='s in my Super-Drive 60 for years but keep hearing good thing about the JJ's. Looking for BIG rock tone with great cleans. Anyone familiar with both brands in amps that do clean and dirty?

pbassplayer
September 9th, 2009, 01:15 AM
i just put a pair of electro harmonix 6L6s in my ampeg
happy happy happy......................

eugenedunn
September 9th, 2009, 01:54 AM
Certainly a strong JJ 6L6 is gonna give you headroom (good cleans), but the rock tones are probably more dependent on your preamp tubes being overdriven. Oh you'll get some rock effect from the 6L6 power tubes being saturated.... more of a feel thing, like compression and sustain. But most dirt is gonna come from driving your itsy bitsy preamp section.

My two bits.......

jrfrond
September 9th, 2009, 03:14 PM
For the record, I wouldn't touch JJ power tubes with a 10ft. pole. I've seen too many short in customer's amps.

For new 6L6's, the new Tung-Sol's are just awesome. in an A/B comparison with NOS, they are pretty close, and for the price..... :!:

eugenedunn
September 9th, 2009, 03:18 PM
jrfrond....... thanks for your candid observation about Tung-Sol's.......

Always interested in findings based on more than a few events......

mynameis905
September 9th, 2009, 03:26 PM
I agree with John.
JJ's are all hype in my opinion.
Eurotubes seems to push nothing but JJ's and I have never ever been impressed. After playing going on 15 years and working in music shops all that time and with over 6000 repairs under my belt...
I think the way to go is with the Electro Harmonix 6L6's.
They are supposed to be really good copies of RCA black plates.
They are priced right and they are built like tanks.
Used to be that Sovteks were the "bees knees' and EH finished second.
Much like Fender is viewed to a Squier.
The EH 6L6's cream anything Sovtek has got out.
Rumour has it that the Sovtek KT66's are basically "re-packaged" 6L6's with a little extra. As long as you don't have a fixed bias amp like myself... I highly recommend those for that "Marshall-y" type tone.
Otherwise, the EH's will get you where you want to be.

I am new here.
Names Jack.

petebradt
September 9th, 2009, 03:32 PM
Jack - EHs ARE Sovteks. Just so you know.

golfnut
September 9th, 2009, 03:32 PM
For the record, I wouldn't touch JJ power tubes with a 10ft. pole. I've seen too many short in customer's amps.

For new 6L6's, the new Tung-Sol's are just awesome. in an A/B comparison with NOS, they are pretty close, and for the price..... :!:

Have you ever compared the Tung-Sols to the Winged SED? The SED is what I have in my Victorilux.

petebradt
September 9th, 2009, 03:33 PM
I have Winged-C in my 5F4 Super clone and I love them. I have not tried the Tung-Sols so I can't say about them.

mad dog
September 9th, 2009, 03:43 PM
Never tried the Svets. Been using JJs in several amps for years, no problems at all. Their 6L6GC has big volume and headroom. In one of my amps, it sounds better than anything else I've tried, old or new. YMMV.

bo
September 9th, 2009, 03:45 PM
I've been using JJs for quite some time in all four of my amps with no problems. They sound good too! I find EHs to be a bit wimpy and short lived, personally.

Telesavalis
September 9th, 2009, 04:04 PM
I use Mesa's 6L6's. They always sound good and they are priced resonably.

Wally
September 9th, 2009, 04:45 PM
I use Mesa's 6L6's. They always sound good and they are priced resonably.

Mesa doesn't build tubes. THey buy JJ's, EH, sovtek, Chinese.....whatever and then test and brand them. Groove tubes is the same. Ex: I recently installed and biased a set of Groove Tubes 6L6's from GC with a price tag of $145 for a quartet. These are JJ's that are $98 for a quartet full boat retail.....matched...anywhere else and much cheaper than that at 'street prices'. CAveat emptor, indeed. The fellow who had paid that price was a bit miffed when informed of what he had bought at the price he paid. Screening of logos is expensive in Cali!!
Yes, I know that GT 'builds' one certain 6L6 that is finished in China. IF you are paying big prices for silk screened tubes, be sure what you are buying, right?

mynameis905
September 10th, 2009, 11:42 PM
Jack - EHs ARE Sovteks. Just so you know.

Are they?
I was under the impression that they were both built in the same factory... the Reflektor plant in Russia.
Every review and all my research on tubes suggests differently.
Based on your above statement, you lead me to believe that all Russian made tubes coming out of the Reflektor plant are Sovteks???
Could we say that Tung-Sol's are just Sovteks?
Could we say that Svetlana's are just Sovteks?
We are saying that Electro Harmonix are just Sovteks?
If this were the case, (which it isn't) why doesn't Reflektor sell just Sovteks?
Are we this stupid? Does Reflektor feel the need to give us the illusion that we have options in vacuum tubes by re-branding the same tubes instead of just issuing 12ax7's or 6l6's with different suffixes for "different" tubes?
Wait.... they already do that!? ie. 12ax7LP & 12axLPS.
If the EH 6L6 was the same tube as the Sovtek 6L6WXT+ wouldn't they just sell one of them??? They would.
The EH 6L6 is a different tube than the Sovteks. They are close but they are not the same. The EH is a better built tube. It is a more durable tube in comparison to the latter.
Just so ya know, eh?:wink::wink::wink:

rockinhorse
September 11th, 2009, 12:02 AM
Find an amp tech that will let you try alot of different brands of power tubes and preamp tubes....

the 1st preamp tube does swing a big bat (no doubt)...But the 'right' set of power tubes will set the table for your preamp tubes....

then find the "one"...ie #1 position 12ax7 that hooks up with your power tubes....don't look at brand names so much

I've discovered modern tubes that 'hook-up' really well...with my rig

Blind testing will develop your ear and your personal sound....

Have fun

ThermionicScott
September 11th, 2009, 12:07 AM
Sovtek is just another name for some of the Reflektor tubes.

eugenedunn
September 11th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Hey Rockinhorse,

Being from Sacramento, you MUST know Shane Manning over at Tube Sonic Audio..... he DOES let you audition tubes and find just the right set.

I agree, you can find a good mix of modern and old stock tubes that will work well in a rig. I think getting the right bias set for the types of tubes you have also affects the overall mojo. Some tube sets like it hotter than others.

marshman
September 11th, 2009, 09:43 AM
A New Yorker by the name of Matthews owns the Reflektor factory--he bought it around 1999, I think, after a long-standing deal to buy tubes from the plant when it was Soviet owned. He 'designs' tubes and has them manufactured to those specs in his plant. He manufactures tubes under a slew of names--Sovtek, E-H, Tung-Sol, Mullard, Genalex/Gold Lion, and Svetlana. I presume that each 'brand' EL34 is somehow different, but they are still all SOVTEK tubes in my book.

http://www.newsensor.com/

The other Russian tube plant currently making guitar related tubes was called Svetlana, but somehow Matthews got the rights to use the name in North America, so that firm now sells the tubes with their logo, a cyrillic 'S' (which looks like our "C") in a circle with some lines coming out from it--commonly referred to as "Winged C"--or "SED" Svetlana Electron(ic?) Devices.

And yeah, I assume they think we're that stupid.

sjhusting
September 11th, 2009, 03:52 PM
I was a SED (=C=, real Svet) fan until just recently, when I tried the new Russian Reflektor "TungSol 6L6STR." All I can say is, wow. These are it for me, until someone comes up with something better. I'm using them in a new amp I am building, and putting 440V on the plates, and these boys put it out. Clean with real balls. This is the first ever Reflektor-made tube (pre, power, or rectifier) that has knocked my socks off. Much better sounding (to my ears) than JJ, other Reflektors that I've used, TADs, and even the SEDs.

steven

Hiker
September 11th, 2009, 04:24 PM
Jack - EHs ARE Sovteks. Just so you know.

Are NOS EH tubes-Sovteks as well? Asking this since there are vintage tubes being sold here and there and thought some of the vintage tubes might be EH non-Sovtek...

Travis in BMore
September 11th, 2009, 04:41 PM
NOS Sylvania 6L6GC (green label) are the best 6L6 variant I have ever heard in any application- be it for guitar or home audio. I'm not usually keen on the sound of a 6L6, but these sound the best to my ears. Angela had a big stockpile a while back....not sure if any are left.

Dan German
September 11th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Are NOS EH tubes-Sovteks as well? Asking this since there are vintage tubes being sold here and there and thought some of the vintage tubes might be EH non-Sovtek...

NOS Electro Harmonix tubes?!?!? I don't think they've been in the tube business long enough for this to be an issue. And as far as I know, they've always used Sovtek/Reflektor/whatever to produce them, whether they owned the place or not. Am I wrong?

marshman
September 11th, 2009, 11:21 PM
That would probably depend on your definition of "NEW". If you've got a set of EH tubes you bought new in 1999 and never used, are they NOS? They're new, in the spirit of the term that means 'never used'.

Obviously, most of us expect that when we're talking about tubes, NOS means tubes produced in non-Communist countries before the end of the Cold War, but there are no standards that define 'old' in this particular market, so you pays yer money and you takes yer chances.

I'm pretty sure that there were no EH tubes made by anyone besides Sovtek.

IdahoPicker
September 12th, 2009, 12:16 AM
I've been using JJs for quite some time in all four of my amps with no problems. They sound good too! I find EHs to be a bit wimpy and short lived, personally.

I'm with you, sir. I've had nothing but good luck with the JJs. But then, I've only had experience with re-packaged Sovtek's (GrooveTubes). I have much more tube-tasting to do.
But still, I've been rocking the JJs for a year now in my HotRod Deluxe, and no problems really (except for the "more headroom option" package from Eurotubes, totally sucks).

RussBert
September 12th, 2009, 08:02 PM
As long as you don't have a fixed bias amp like myself...

I am new here.
Names Jack.

Hi Jack,

I don't get what you mean by that statement. What fixed bias amp do you have, and do you NOT recommend the EH 6L6 for it?

RussBert
September 12th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Sovtek is a brand name...

just like Groove Tubes, Valve Arts, TAD, Ruby...

these companies re-labled tubes from various manufacturer's

Wally
September 14th, 2009, 03:07 PM
Sovtek is a brand name...

just like Groove Tubes, Valve Arts, TAD, Ruby...

these companies re-labled tubes from various manufacturer's

Well, as I understand it Sovtek is a manufacturer's brand name for tubes built in certain factories in Russia.
GT, VAlve ARts, TAD, Ruby are what you claim. They buy Sovtek tubes, JJ tubes, Chinese tubes, SED's, and so on and then silkscreen them with their company names. HEre's a wake up call. JJ 6L6's bought as JJ's are about 50% less than JJ's bought in a GT box with GT silkcreening....and that is if you pay full boat retail for the straight JJ's. Compare....$144 and change at GC against $98 for the very same tube.. That $98(matched quartet) can be beat anywhere you go if you know what you are buying. That makes
GT silkscreening and packaging quite expensive.