Will I be out-of-phase

Gotta get on an airplane. Do not want to take my B Bender as it is a three plane switch-over. Am going to pick up a MiM or a Squier probably...if it gets broke or lost I would be able to deal with it.

However, I have a Peter Florance VooDoo Bridge PU sitting around doing nothing. I think I will install it. Is it likely to be out-of-phase with the Fender neck PU? If so, would I switch around the wires in the Neck PU?

Yes the neck

Thanks.
I once live in the Calumet-Hecla/Eagle Harbor area. Are you anywhere near there?

You'll need to change over the ground wire on the metal cover though.
Easiest to snip it and bend it up and then solder a separate wire onto that, which you can run to ground somewhere. Then you can swap the other 2 wires around to your heart's content.

So you are saying the ground wire can no longer sit beneath the metal bridge plate? It has to be lengthened and put somewhere else?

It doesn't have to have its own wire. You can connect it to the other terminal if you want. But you need to be careful soldering since you can easily bollox the whole pickup. It's just easier and safer to bend it up and connect a separate wire. The cover doesn't care which way it gets grounded.
And if you connect the cover ground to its own wire you can connect the other 2 wires either way, which will be convenient in future if you do any more pickup experimenting.
The Dimarzio TwangKing pickups come this way stock...with 3 wires...so you can connect the 2 main wires either way to sort out phasing problems.

You can do the same thing with a tele bridge pickup and the brass baseplate ground wire. Snip it close to the terminal and bend it up so you can safely solder a separate wire onto it.

Here's a pic of a neck pickup underside. See where the little wire is connected to the cover in the center and goes left to the ground terminal? That needs to go from the center to the other terminal on the right if you swap the black and white wires at the switch. So it's easier to snip it on the left, bend it up and give it its own wire.
I crimp the wires together a bit before soldering and cover the join with a bit of shrink tubing or tape.

I know that area in the beautiful Keweenaw !

I am in Iron River which is 40 miles west of Iron Mountain.

You are a long way from home.

TG - I think I get it. You are saying that little wire showing on the left must be cut, and after attaching a another piece to it, be soldered onto the terminal on the right. Right?
I have the CV 50's Squier coming in on Friday (to be my travelling Tele) and I will put the Florance Voodoo in the bridge and retain the PU the CV comes with.

And Sjtalon - I really, really want to get back up there - I miss the place badly.

TG - I think I get it. You are saying that little wire showing on the left must be cut, and after attaching a another piece to it, be soldered onto the terminal on the right. Right?


Er...wrong. Sort of.
You can solder it on to the terminal on the right if you want to (you might be able to snip it and just bend it over to do that), but it's very easy to damage the pickup soldering on those terminals since there are very fine wires there. So it's better to solder a long wire on to it and run it to the control cavity (so you have 3 wires going to the controls) and solder it on to the back of one of the pots. That's what I meant. Ground the cover directly instead of via the pickup ground wire.
Then you can connect the other 2 wires whichever way suits the other pickup with regards being in phase.

http://www.guitar-mod.com/rg_4wayinfo.html

OK - think I got it.
BUY WHY - do companies like Florance and, APC, Lindy Fralin build their Tele pickups out-of-phase? It is so backwards. Does Fender prevent them from doing this with some kind of legal or patent stipulation?

I thought the question should be why does fender do this. i believe it's fender pups that are all reverse wound/reverse polarity. every time i put in a fralin i have to remember that it's not the same and i have to switch leads. tho now i look at some fralin stuff and i see they are offering the same winding/polarity(?)

I had to figure this out because every Seymour Duncan pickup is out of phase with every Fender pickup.

This is why I mentioned Dimarzio earlier. Their TwangKing neck pickup comes with the cover already with a separate ground wire...ie, 3 wires...so you can use it with any bridge pickup and easily sort out any phasing problem. Very considerate of them.

Some say tomato some tomoto, it's just whatever a mfc. wants to go with.

Id est, all north, all south, one of each (for hum-cancelling along with RW ) whatever.

and no, not ALL Fender pups are rw/rp. If they where, you wouldn't get the hum canceling.

RW/RP is a relative term to another pickup in the set, that's basically ALL there is to it.

:wink:

I thought the question should be why does fender do this. i believe it's fender pups that are all reverse wound/reverse polarity. every time i put in a fralin i have to remember that it's not the same and i have to switch leads. tho now i look at some fralin stuff and i see they are offering the same winding/polarity(?)


I turn the whole exercise around, inside out.

Do you have an American Series, Tex Mex Tele (Road Worn) or Original Vintage Neck pickup you like, but the stock bridge ain't doing right?

Now, would you like the replacement to be not only great, but also noise canceling as well, n + b together in parallel and series? Of course you do.

So, just buy individual Lindy Fralin Tele bridge pups, cut a jumper and add a ground lead to the neck pup and reverse the neck pup leads so as to correct the phase.

Nice.