jazzcaster prototype

In another thread on jazzmasters, Teleblues001 played around with the standard tele shape and I thought it was pretty cool looking. I Pm'd him to see if he'd care if I made an actual body of it. Here it is. I still need to drill holes and sand out a few bumps, but the basic idea is there. I thought you might want a peek at it.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/mmgguitars/body004.jpg

O_O that would be awesome with a vintage strat trem and a reverse headstock tele neck.

The ultimate MUTT. :lol:

There you go!

I like that.

Sort of like George Jetson bought Fender instead of CBS.

Or something like that.

But...will it sit in a guitar stand? :wink:

I freehanded this jazz-caster body not too long ago, It's on my to be built list.



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3660371315_80a84572b2_o.jpg

Yeah nice, I like this idea!

I think I like "Jazzcaster" better than "Telemaster".

I think I like "Jazzcaster" better than "Telemaster".

+1

That looks really cool.

In another thread on jazzmasters, Teleblues001 played around with the standard tele shape and I thought it was pretty cool looking. I Pm'd him to see if he'd care if I made an actual body of it. Here it is. I still need to drill holes and sand out a few bumps, but the basic idea is there. I thought you might want a peek at it.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7680/mockuptele.png > http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8703/offsettele.png

Thanks for the notation. :wink: The thing is, I can't possibly have been the fisrt person to actually play around with that idea. It's not really overly difficult to do either. Messing around with guitar body concepts is something I've done for over 30 years. Pencil and graph paper were my first tools.

I was just reading thru the Jazzmaster thread (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-home-depot/159513-developing-jazzmaster-body-blueprint.html) for the umpteenth time and just thought to myself it would be kind of cool to have a offset Tele. I went into my program of choice that I use for quick mock-up work (PaintShop Pro 8), took a Tele outline and skewed it. I messed around with it for about 15 minutes or so. Looking at the pic, I thought to myself that it really looked like a close cousin to the Jags and Jazzmasters. Then I wondered if Leo had done something similar back in the day. Obviously he didn't have computer art programs to do the work for him but skewing some of his own designs I don't think would have been out of the realm of possibilities.

Anyways, guitarbuilder, it looks even better as a piece wood than it did as a mock-up. :grin:

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Is it okay if I play too?

:smile:

I'm loving that shape.

Is it okay if I play too?

:smile:

I'm loving that shape.

Sure, whynot. I say the more the merrier. I'm looking forward to seeing one done up in your ever so popular "sparkle" fashion. :mrgreen:


ps. the skew on the body line was 15 degrees iirc, for those of you using CAD or some other program. I didn't use a CAD program as I am very new to that. I only installed a program called DoubleCAD XT a coupla weeks ago just to look at the various .DWG files of guitars floating around on the net.
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curious - do you remember what angle you skewed it?

curious - do you remember what angle you skewed it?

edited my previous post above yours to include the angle. I played around with the angle until it looked right.

15 degrees iirc.

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[QUOTE=teleblues001;1914022 The thing is, I can't possibly have been the fisrt person to actually play around with that idea. It's not really overly difficult to do either. [/QUOTE]

I saw this one the other week

Http://www.carltonguitars.com.au/resources/Image/raycaster/finished.jpg

Now that I have it in front of me, I'm thinking about mini humbuckers in there or P-90 variation because it has a firebird feeling too. Firecaster?

Here is how I did it. I took the Teleblues jpeg and converted it to a DXF file using IMG2CAD ( img2cad.com) for my version of BobCad. I plotted points on the drawing and then added 3 point curves to those points. Deleting the original drawing left the new drawing which I drew. Plot or Print or convert to Gcode...you have the template or scribed line. I used Gcode to scribe the line right on the pine. I routed the body as usual and then cut/sanded/rounded over as usual.
Marty

I saw this one the other week

Http://www.carltonguitars.com.au/resources/Image/raycaster/finished.jpg

That looks really good. Looks like the skew isn't quite as much as what I did, maybe a few degrees less, and the bottom bout on the control cavity side is a bit more rounded. The lower waist curve also looks a bit more inline with the upper waist.

ps. Followed the pic to the site of origin. They do nice work. http://www.carltonguitars.com.au


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Sure, whynot. I say the more the merrier. I'm looking forward to seeing one done up in your ever so popular "sparkle" fashion. :mrgreen:


Here's what I came up with...

http://www.backwaterpartymusic.com/%20buttercaster/emeraldcaster/jazzcaster.std.2.jpg

I started with Terry Downs' REVD pdf file. Opened it with Adobe Illustrator.

Got rid of most of the lines and other stuff that would mean something to somebody who knows (even a little) more about mechanical drawing and CAD than me. Grouped some line segments. Grabbed the shearing tool. Moved things. Not quite 15°. and then moved some lines around to make it look "good."

The original of this prints out nicely at 100%.

Now I have to put it on a flash drive and carry it around with me until I get to a big box store with a large-format printer.

This should maybe kind of be a little bit of something resembling fun!

:smile:

I like them all and agree all are worth building, no question. All appear to be or have the potential to be better than the Telemaster. Telemaster is getting old for me.

I like:

1) djs;

2) Guitarbuilder

3) Steve's version;

4) Teleblues001;

5) Carlton.

There was a guy who had a defect in the blank he was using, or a mishap or something and he built out something similar. 1.5-2.0 years ago, if I recall. Got little attention but its been tugging at me since.

Note the Carlton guitar is not offset at all. And the horn is too small.

Djs' version is really not a Jazzcaster at all. It is more of a "Tele II" that could've happened had there been several snafus on the development of the Strat and something new in the line was needed now that would fill the gap.

I hate to be a worm in the pudding, but the control rout needs to follow the 69 Thinline control rout orientation - the vertical control rout ain't gonna work on an offset guitar. Ellipsoid control plate?

I hate to be a worm in the pudding, but the control rout needs to follow the 69 Thinline control rout orientation - the vertical control rout ain't gonna work on an offset guitar. Ellipsoid control plate?

I'm dense tonight. (That's not exactly new...)

can you clarify that for me?

When I do mine it will be double bound...I don't see a clearance issue.

Am I missing something?

:smile:

Nevermind.

Jack it's the bottom horn...

http://www.makenmusic.com/productImg/Telemaster_60Relic-R47213-CAR-FrontFull.jpg

the red one is based upon the Jazzmaster/Jaguar body.

The one I am playing with is a modified Telecaster body.

Not offset as much it looks like.

Also the "Great Plains" area between bridge the bottom strap pin appears to be smaller.

One of them looks like a Tele that was set too close to the radiator and melted.

The other looks like a cross between a Jazzmaster and a Telecaster.

Whatever that means. :wink:

Subtle differences I guess.

:smile:

I'm dense tonight. (That's not exactly new...)

can you clarify that for me?

When I do mine it will be double bound...I don't see a clearance issue.

Am I missing something?

:smile:


Oh, it will clear, I'm pretty sure of that.

I just don't think it will look just so. Might look OK in double bound - I'm just guilty of trying to "Improve the design" that's all. Sorry.

Nice concepts. They remind me a bit of the reverend bodies.

http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/guitars/bolt_on_series/hi_res/buckshot_3tone_lg.jpg

boh! foi toch!!!

In my opinion, I think a new peghead design is in order too for this newer shape. It also seems to cry out for a contour for the forearm at least.

In my opinion, I think a new peghead design is in order too for this newer shape...

So, are you thinking wild and crazy, or just a subtle touch-up to "complement" the shape?


http://www.backwaterpartymusic.com/%20buttercaster/emeraldcaster/jazzcasterhead.jpg
http://www.backwaterpartymusic.com/%20buttercaster/emeraldcaster/jazzcaster.std.2.jpg

I was going to say Reverend as well. Beaten to it.

Ben

Jack it's the bottom horn...

http://www.makenmusic.com/productImg/Telemaster_60Relic-R47213-CAR-FrontFull.jpg

the red one is based upon the Jazzmaster/Jaguar body.

:smile:

hi buck,
new guy here;
where can i get that red guitar?
is it available from fender?
or is it a custom build?
thanks

hi buck,
new guy here;
where can i get that red guitar?
is it available from fender?
or is it a custom build?
thanks

Try this here place. (http://www.makenmusic.com/category.cfm?brand=Fender&catID=1)
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Try this here place. (http://www.makenmusic.com/category.cfm?brand=Fender&catID=1)
:smile:

Oh, only $6,100.

I'll take three.

Oh, only $6,100....

I'll bet that they have room to move on that... :wink:

I'm thinking strat meets tele and has a peghead. I think it needs more point and less swoosh if that makes sense.

Oh, only $6,100.

I'll take three.

$6k for a slab of wood, a bridge pickup and a Tele neck is way beyond silly.. reliced or not...


I think the Telemaster wwould be a good guitar to set up with P-90's... but then it looses much of the "Teleness" and becomes more of a Jazzmaster variant.

Jazzmaster body shape, tele barrel bridge, tele bridge pup, tele neck, JM trem, tele control plate, JM switches, JM neck pickup.
That's one i'd like to see.

I'm thinking strat meets tele and has a peghead. I think it needs more point and less swoosh if that makes sense.

SWOOSHY like this? Eh?

http://www.backwaterpartymusic.com/%20buttercaster/emeraldcaster/jazzcasterhead3.jpg

Or something like that?
:shock:

Cool............. a new entry into the Ferden line of fine guitars.

Exactly, That could work :-), don't be surprised if you see a commercially available version in your favorite guitar store.

That looks cool, I like it. I see a Starcaster style headstock on it, I think that would work well.

Here's the matched set for everybody's consideration, comment, whatever...

http://www.backwaterpartymusic.com/%20buttercaster/emeraldcaster/jazzcasterhead3.jpg

http://www.backwaterpartymusic.com/%20buttercaster/emeraldcaster/jazzcasterchecks.jpg

I guess, in reality, there would be a "neck" or "handle" (as some people call it) between the two parts.

:wink:

I'd DEFINITELY play one of those!

That looks cool, I like it. I see a Starcaster style headstock on it, I think that would work well.


Me. too, Buck!


Definitely has that Starcaster vibe, especially bound.

I'd DEFINITELY play one of those!

Moi aussi (esp. if in Copper)!

I tried another little prototype today for p-90's.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/mmgguitars/jazzcaster2.jpg

I'm liking that a whole bunch!

I've got to get my template made.

The shape shows it's heritage but also has a cutting edge.

We are on to something here.

ooohhh i want one, how much would you charge for a template? ;)

Marty .............. what are your Jazzcaster bodies weighing? I'm wondering how this shape compares to my Jazzmaster shape weighing in at 5 lbs. 8 oz.

Jack, the first one is 4#4 oz with a fender bridge and brass saddles on it. The newest one is 4-9 at the moment. These are close to what a regular body runs in this pine I am using.

sixstringhook, you should be able to print out the earlier drawing for a template.


The p-90 one might look good with a gibson style LP type switch up on the top extension.

I don't think the volume of the body has changed all that much.

If anything, it might be a smidgeon less.

I think most of the new lines that I drew were on the inside of the old body shape.

But I have (frequently) been wrong before. :shock:

I tried another little prototype today for p-90's.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/mmgguitars/jazzcaster2.jpg

A WRHB version would be especially cool.

"WRHB"?

I'm missing that.

Help me out. :smile:

RWHB Reverse Wound Humbucker? Rochester White Hot Buns?
( A white hot is a regional food like Buffalo wings used to be).

I suppose I should finish these bodies eh?

Nice project!

I built this, which started out far more tele-like
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/attachments/bad-dog-cafe/13962d1218411778-what-your-very-first-electric-guitar-jstang-jpg
A couple of niggles:-
If you park the guitar between your legs banjo or classical stylee then it slides down onto the floor.
If you use that trem system then you need a rocker bridge (it has one)
Its neck break angle should have been more (it's a set neck) I've had to recess my bridge.
The pickups are re-wound re-built ceramic jag types and are almost but not quite completely unlike a tele, they do not sound like a jazzmaster at all. Suggest tele bridge but jazzmaster/P90 neck.
The controls are too complicated. Use simple tele system, this one does series together.

"WRHB"?

I'm missing that.

Help me out. :smile:

I assume Wide-Range Humbucker, from the Deluxe/Custom models.

I assume Wide-Range Humbucker, from the Deluxe/Custom models.

Also starcasters.

Also starcasters.

Yessir. Actually, how about one of these with a Starcaster control-layout, or at least the Starcaster headstock? :grin:

Here is an update. I worked on an arm contour and a pickguard. I guess this is the Esq version. I'm thinking it needs at least a 1/4 roundover. GFS neckhttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/mmgguitars/jazzcaster001.jpg

Cool idea!

I was toying around a lot with offset shapes a couple of years ago but it never made it past the drawing board. There's an old Starfield hollow tele that has a quite similar look too.

Two suggestions for an IMHO even cooler look.

Slant the neck pickup and if you are scratchbuilding the neck, why not have a slanted fingerboard ending too?

Yeah, I thought about the slanted pickup, but that's been done before from what I remember.

There's an idea related to this that's been spooking through my head for a while:

Lipstick Singles/Humbuckers, classic Fender colors (Cherry, Seafoam, Daphne all come to mind), and Bel-Air inspired pickguard... Make it all look like a 50s/60s classic, in other words. Two-tone color schemes and chrome look.

Who's with me? :lol:

That guitar was finished??

That body got donated to some charity that was putting together parts to make complete guitars for donation. It had a yellow acryic finish on it.

Here is the link...
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-home-depot/255356-anybody-got-spare-body-laying-around.html


(The picture of the painted body is on page 8 of the squier talk charity thread that is linked early by mkgearhead in the above link)

Brrraaaaiiiinnnnsss!!!!

Is that a positive or negative response? :-)