March 17th, 2004, 01:00 PM
I'm looking for a warm pup for the bridge of my super light warmoth tele. Its a 3lb6oz body w/a maple pau ferro vintage construction neck. Its has a callagham three saddle bridge as well.
I've used the texas tele's, dimarzio virtual vintage t hot, sd 5/2, and sd hot lead.
I found the texas tele to be too bright, not ice pick bright but still too bright. The virtual vintage was real nice but again the alnico 5's are not my thing. Same for the sd hot lead good tone but alnico 5s again. The 5/2 was to country for me.
I think that the best choice would be either a nocaster or sd aln 2pro. I'm concerned, however about the output of these pups. I play mainly classic rock and originals. I prefer a warm tone thats just passed the point of overdrive. For leads I kick in a MXR Micro Amp. I play through a fender Blues JR.
I figure that w/the a2/3's low magnetic pull I can put them up close to the strings (nickel/2nickel) to get the output that I like.
What do you think?
March 17th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Well, I gig with a tele thru a Blue Junior and I like a warm sound hovering around the overdrive point (I use a Maxon OD808 reissue as a solo boost)....and I've tried both those pickups. The one I decided on was the AlnicoIIPro. The Nocaster was OK but there was a sort of 'wanginess' to it that didn't gel with me 100%. Kind of a steely edge or something. In fact, using the Nocaster onstage I kept getting this deja vu feeling like 'I've heard this before somewhere', but it wouldn't quite come to me. Then it hit me on the way home from a gig. Roy Buchanan. The Nocaster nails his tone. Not a bad sound (obviously) but not what works for me as well as the Al2Pro. But with regards the string pull I can't really say. I have mine up fairly near the strings and I have no problem (hey, there's a thought...maybe I had the Nocaster too high?...).
Anyway, I do like the Al2Pro. The Duncan Jerry Donahue bridge is an Alnico2 with a few more windings so you get a bit more beef, BTW. Not tried that one myself, though.
Another tele pup I tried and liked as much as the Al2Pro was a Fender Original Vintage, like what the 52RI comes with. It had a good body to it, especially with a little overdrive.
I wouldn't recommend too 'hot' wound a pickup for a tele. In my experience (Texas Special most notably) it just results in a brash sound. A regular output pup with a good depth to it does the job better.
But whatever you go for, you won't know for sure how it'll work with your guitar, amp and playing style until you get it, unfortunately.
I have a standard Fender neck pickup in withthe Al2Pro incidentally. And when you mix a Fender pup with a Duncan you sometimes have to wire one in backwards to get the combined position to work. That includes moving the ground on the baseplate (or cover if you reverse the neck pup). Thought I'd mention it...
March 17th, 2004, 02:02 PM
I will add that the Nocaster can get a mean narly thing workin with overdrive applied to it. It cleans up nicely when you back off. The APTII cleans up as you apply overdrive to it and gets chimey, but not as dirty.
I agree with TG completely on everything else. I too found the APTII and the OV the best of the bunch. I owned a Nocaster for 3 years, before I moved on, if that says anything. But I found better balance for "me" in the other two (APTII and OV).
March 17th, 2004, 03:11 PM
and they sound very nice indeed, but a bit different from each other. Both of these Teles haves swamp ash bodies and maple necks, but one is very light and the other is moderate in weight. In the light one, the Nocaster has a very full, smooth midrange tone with a sweet high end. In the slightly heavier Tele, the Nocaster has a bit less midrange but more high end bite. It makes a nice contrast with the SD mini-humbucker at the neck, and it has enough output to keep up.
My third Tele is the heaviest and brightest sounding, so I'm thinking about pairing an SD Jerry Donahue in the bridge and an SD Phat Cat in the neck. I hope these will match up in terms of output. The reply I got from SD tech support was that it would be a great match.
March 17th, 2004, 04:10 PM
Thanks for the quick replies!
What kind of music do you guys play?
March 17th, 2004, 04:31 PM
country picker, that does a little blues and alt/indie stuff. I drive my amp a little, not too much, using a Load dump.
March 17th, 2004, 04:43 PM
Do you think the ap2pro will work well in a classic rock setting?
6k pup seems a little weak! But numbers aren't the best way to tell!
March 17th, 2004, 05:00 PM
I wouldn't use it for it. You need something with more winds, IMO. The nocaster would be a good place to get your feet wet. Although, you may want to go bigger like the SD Quarter pound, or some other hot single. Get something with 8.0 D.C. or better.
I will say this, when I had the Nocaster, I cranked my amp up one day in the garage, and I "felt" like I could do some classic rock with it VERY easily. It really REALLY was nice overdriven.
March 17th, 2004, 05:06 PM
I've tried the hot for tele from sd as well as the virtual vintage hot and texas specials. I didn't like 'em at all. No character just output. I want something warm, fat, w/tele character.
Maybe the nocaster is for me? I've spent so much money on pups that its hard to decide on a new set!
March 17th, 2004, 05:18 PM
1) Trade a pup for a pup. I do alot trades. I rarely hold pups and pedals that I don't use. Put one on the garage sale say you will trade for a Nocaster, and/or $$.
2) Buy used off ebay.
March 17th, 2004, 05:41 PM
I've put up the texas specials in the garage sale.
I'll post the rest once I see how the fenders move.
I've read the reviews at harmony central on both the a2pro and nocaster. I think that either would do what I need. I found a good deal on the ap2pro locally (montreal) so I'm going to pickit up tonight!
I'll post a review once its installed. I'm almost finished re-finishing the body so hopefully by the weekend it'll be done!
Oh yeah, I'm pairing it up w/a fender standard (mexi) neck pup. So I will have to do all the re wiring stuff!
March 17th, 2004, 07:07 PM
I play blues-based stuff for the most part. I think the Nocaster can get the job done, although it is bright -- just not ice-pick-like. It will depend on your amp, speakers, rest of the guitar, etc.
You have tried a couple ofthe pcikups I've been thinking about using in another Tele. I thought the DiMarzio Virtual Hot T has AlNiCO 2 magnets, rather than 5s. How did it sound clean? I was thinking about pairing one with their minibucker a la the Vinetto guitars, but I'm concerned about the clean tones as well as the OD tones.
It's all madness, I tell you...
March 17th, 2004, 08:57 PM
I just put a AIIPro in my parts tele. It replaced a Vintage RI and a clean Nocaster. I didn't find a significant loss of volume/output. It seems to be very responsive and pinch harmonics are a cinch. It doesn't have any icepick
highs but it's fairly bright and rolling off the tone is required like any other traditional pickup. The bridge/neck together is especially nice. I found the Nocaster had plenty of mids and output but it was not what I wanted. Maybe for a louder overdriven sound the Nocaster would be a great choice. I use a Tx Spl neck and the Pro balanced without lowering the neck. I'm liking it.
March 17th, 2004, 09:13 PM
I play in a wedding/function/bar band. We do a bit of everything. Chickin'pickin' country, Irish ballads, waltzes, 50s rock and roll, 60s pop, 70s rock, blues, some recent material...a bit of everything every gig. Sometimes we do pretty heavy stuff. That's why I'm such a tele-thru-a-small-tube-amp fan. Such a simple setup and it will work for anything short of really heavy or nu metal. But I would have no problem playing Zeppelin with this setup with the Alnico2Pro. Put it that way.
Joe Walsh's tele sound on the James Gang song 'Funk 49' is another good example of the sort of sound I can get. It's obviously a tele when you think about it, but we still spent years assuming it was a Les Paul....
What Kelsey said was interesting. How the Nocaster was different in different teles. My tele is medium weight (alder) and the Nocaster had screaming highs and really full lows, but not alot in the middle. The Alnico2Pro is more solid and focused in my guitar, but it still sounds very 'tele'. Does the pretty chiming tele thing played clean.
I've gone thru quite a few pickups, and LOADS of them trying to get a set in my strat that I could actually use (Lace Hot Golds is what I finally decided...if you're interested). I get pickups off ebay or anywhere that's a bargain, and if I decide to sell I sell them on ebay. Even slightly used I usually get a good chunk of what I paid for them so it all doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Just don't cut the wires or throw out the box when you install pickups...just in case.
March 18th, 2004, 09:09 AM
I just removed an Alnico II pro neck pickup from my Custom Shop Esquire and replaced it with a SD Hot Rhythm neck. I found the Nocaster lead pickup that came with the Esquire is perfect Esquire/Tele twang and screams when overdriven. The Alnico II pro neck pickup was dull and lifeless but the Hot Rhythm has some nice warm sweetness to it. When you position the two pickups in the middle instant Tele.
I had recently tried a relic Nocaster Tele at Guitar Center and that also sounded great in each position, almost bought it (G.A.S.). IMHO.
March 18th, 2004, 09:52 AM
spyder recommended that one to me...it's a winner. Built like the Tex. Special neck without the raised poles.
March 18th, 2004, 11:39 AM
I went out and picked up a a2pro last night! Noboby had the nocaster in stock so I figured whta the hey lets try the sd. Its going in this weekend. I'll post a review after I've given it a good run thru.
Kelsey, it does have A2s!!!! Its funny cause I always thought that they were 5s. Maybe they changed them recently? I think that the virtual t hot would match great w/a minibucker. The cleans are very tele w/chime and twang but has more punch than a regular low output pup. Its easy enough to tame by lowering the mids on your amp.