American Idol??????

I think the final 4 will be Adam Allison Danny and Kris just as Seacrest leaked way back in march and the final 2 will be Adam and Allison and Adam will win.

I will laugh my A$$ off if somehow Adam screws up and gets voted off and the jiudges cant use their new fake save feature cause they already wasted it on Matt.

Yea, that would be. Tonight 2 are getting voted off. How funny would it be if Danny and Adam were in the bottom two. Oh how foolish those judges will feel!

But no, probably going to be Lil and either Matt (again) or Anoop.

I'd rather be raped in prison than watch AI.

PETE!! Where ya bin, buddy? We've missed your sparkly brand of insight in here. No-one brightens a conversation the way you do.

He said guys

Thats why I said the last few guys that have won didnt do much. Clarkson and Underwood are women not guys they both won and have done better than anyone else thats been on AI.

Oops. My mistake. Sorry.

probably going to be Lil and either Matt (again) or Anoop.

Good call. It was Lil and Anoop who got sent home tonight. Surprised that Allison was in the bottom 3.

Good call. It was Lil and Anoop who got sent home tonight. Surprised that Allison was in the bottom 3.

The right people got sent home tonight. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the only reason Allison gets put in the bottom three is that all the teeny-boppers are voting for the hunk guys, not the red-headed 16 year old. Too bad, she has a great voice. She'll probably be the next to go.

The right people got sent home tonight. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the only reason Allison gets put in the bottom three is that all the teeny-boppers are voting for the hunk guys, not the red-headed 16 year old. Too bad, she has a great voice. She'll probably be the next to go.

You'd think that would split the votes & Allison would get more votes than any one guy.
I think it's because Allison's a little outspoken & has rubbed some people the wrong way.
Whatever the reason though, she's got some major talent & IMO doesn't deserve to be in the bottom 3.
They're all pretty good though...
Even Anoop & Matt, who I just don't think is as good as the judges build him up to be.
That's why I have mixed feelings about any musical competition...Because it makes you really look for any flaw in an otherwise good performance, just because someone has to be eliminated.

Everytime Allison does a song thats just a little off she gets in the bottom 3. When she does a killer performance she doesnt.

Glad she didnt get sent home by the tenny boppers LOL

It also seems to me that not once has Adam done the week's assignment (except I guess the year of birth one), and regardless of his performance, his excrement NEVER stinks. Glad to see that Allison and Chris have finally realized that they can do what he's been getting away with this entire time.

What has Allison done that rubbed people the wrong way?

It also seems to me that not once has Adam done the week's assignment (except I guess the year of birth one), and regardless of his performance, his excrement NEVER stinks. Glad to see that Allison and Chris have finally realized that they can do what he's been getting away with this entire time.

What has Allison done that rubbed people the wrong way?

I dont know but like others have said alot of young gals watch the show and since she is 16 they are probably jealous.

But she hasnt been unfairly judged she has done some real good performances and some just ok. When she does one thats not up to the par of the others she has done she ends up in the bottom 3.

Next week she will correct the error I bet and come back strong just like she did the other weeks she was in the bottom 3 which seems like every other week LOL.

I still think she is the most marketable one. Adam is gonna win and flop like David Cook and Taylor Hicks did cause I really dont see a market for him.

Seems like all the Idols who have gone into country have done more than any other style of music.

True about the judging (although this week they loved it and I thought it was her weakest yet), and I also get the feeling that the people who vote just don't vote as much for her so that they can save folks they like that are really in trouble (usually Matt). Since she came close this week to being booted, I have a feeling they will vote more for her, and I also think she will bring her A-game next week.

I think that if she keeps on doing what she is doing she will be set regardless of if she wins or not. She's got alot more talent than, say, Kelly Clarkson. Although it might be a few years before she appears on the radar, unless she wants to do the Hannah Montana crap. Think that's the case with almost everybody left except for Matt. He really needs to go. And I'm still not sure why Adam is in the competition. I guess to get better offers on Broadway (the route Clay went, ex. Spamalot). Chris has proven to be much better, and now his guitar is also in this mix. I think this was the first week that I could clearly hear him playing. Think he'll also be fine if he does not win. Another Jack Johnson type (ugh, but there's clearly a market for it).

Did anyone else notice that when the 7 did their dance, at the beginning of the show, that Adam was the only one NOT wearing sunglasses? What was up with that? Still trying to be different???

Seacrest to Lambert:

"You have turned Paula into a pool of Abdul".


BBBWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Observations:

That was some pretty poor lip syncing during the dance routine.
The disco divas/divo was really sad. Fat bald dude; old lady wearing a mini; old lady w/ plastic surgery; none can sing anymore (maybe they never could).
Lil sang better in her swan song than in the competition. What a head case.
Matt should have been in the bottom 3.
I could actually understand Paula when she was coaching the dance routines.

I'd rather be raped in prison than watch AI.

Careful what ya wish for...could wind up watching AI while being raped in prison.

(quote) During the judges' critique, one of the contestants said "I was trying to be artistic."

Simon replied: "You can be artisitc. Just not on this show."

...

...and this is why I don't watch this show. It's a cattle call.

AI is a great way to find raw talent, make them pre-fab superstars, give em' a thin little slice of that rapidly diminishing pie, and for the entertainment biz top dogs to take the lion's share.

It's been going on since the beginning of time and is proof that history certainly does repeat itself.

I agree with an earlier post that it makes for a shallower culture, but I also believe that soon enough, this show will reveal itself as having less culture than a bowl of yogurt and more predictability than death or taxes.

This show dumbs down society, but also pushes a great deal of people to explore other options. Thank god for the internet!

To me, AI is the antiquated star-making industry's way of desperately clutching onto the sheer cliff-side of obsolescence.

They're running out of options and AI is proof of that.

No matter how many millions have been made, it's got an expiry date, folks.

In my mind, when it's done, they're done.

It's only my humble opinion and respectfully, not in detriment to some of the talent on the show. It's more relegated to the business behind it and the marketing that keeps it afloat. It's nasty stuff and worth the research. Look into how much Simon is worth, and why.

Then, as a musician, see how you feel about what you find.

That's why I don't worship idols.

It also seems to me that not once has Adam done the week's assignment (except I guess the year of birth one), and regardless of his performance, his excrement NEVER stinks. Glad to see that Allison and Chris have finally realized that they can do what he's been getting away with this entire time.

What has Allison done that rubbed people the wrong way?

Allison made a remark to the effect of "At least I'm not cutting myself", after being critiqued on one of the shows.
They cut off her mike & you could see Paula (of all people) motioning to her to button her lip.
You could hear the audience gasp.
And she has a tendency to speak her 16 year old mind from time to time.
It's not that she's really that outrageous...or even wrong. But she says things the audience may not like or expect.


I don't really agree that Adam doesn't do the week's assignment.
All they say he has to di is pick a song from a list of approved songs.
There's no restrictions on how they arrange it as long as it fits in the allotted time.
I think it's smarter to take a song from the list & arrange it in a way that best suits what you can do best as a performer.
The thing is, so many contestants don't realize that & you have someone like Mandissa, from a couple seasons back, who I thought was the best singer on the show, getting booted because she couldn't pull off the country week song.
She was oviously an R&B/ Soul singer & a damn good one. But her vocal style just wasn't suited to doing a Shania song.

Allison made a remark to the effect of "At least I'm not cutting myself", after being critiqued on one of the shows....

I don't really agree that Adam doesn't do the week's assignment....

Hah I forgot all about that. I think I laughed at it. She definitely had a point there, although probably should not have said it. A quick search revealed that it caused quite a stir among the AI community. I guess because she sounds like she's been smoking unfiltered cigarettes for 30 years, people forget she is still a kid.

Well Adam picks approved of songs, but I meant how he rarely does the style the week is showcasing, and some of the other contestants FINALLY picked up on that, namely Allison and Chris. Adam has been doing great because he plays to his strengths. For instance, rather than flounder singing a country tune with a cheesy drawl, he did that squeely version of Ring of Fire that everybody loved.

This show dumbs down society,

Would you mind explaining this a bit ... for us numbskulls?

mud

That's why I don't worship idols.

I hear ya.:wink:

But I've learned to take the show with just a grain of salt. I don't worship any of the people on the show...I find most of them ridiculously funny.:grin:

The funniest thing is how far people will go to become famous or at least get on TV. Narcissistic people are funny IMO.

AI isnt a talent contest its a popularity and voting contest and reality show thats rigged.

Paula is gonna leave after this season and her contract expires my guess is she will go to Dancing with the Stars. Thats why they brought in the new judge to take her place.

4 people judging is too many they talk too long and have made the show run over 3 different times.

They cant even run the show right but its still the most popular TV show in America.

As long as they keep the ratings up and are making $$ which is what its all about anyway it will continue to do good.

Yea, big $$. AT&T must make a HUGE profit each week. They (supposedly) get at least 33 million votes each week. Standard text messaging rates apply. I assume they do not get anywhere near 33 million VOTERS, but that does not matter for the show.

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Oops, right after I sent this I realized that most of the teeny-boppers, and people likely to text in their vote for this sort of this, probably have unlimited texting. But you never know. You occasionally hear on the news of kids who rack up crazy phone bills because their parents don't realize how many text messages they send.

There is a site on the net that does show the actual votes but they dont start showing them untill the last 2-3 weeks of the show.

I will link to it when it starts up again.

Well Adam picks approved of songs, but I meant how he rarely does the style the week is showcasing, and some of the other contestants FINALLY picked up on that, namely Allison and Chris. Adam has been doing great because he plays to his strengths. For instance, rather than flounder singing a country tune with a cheesy drawl, he did that squeely version of Ring of Fire that everybody loved.

I wouldn't say everybody loved his Ring Of Fire rendition.
I spent the day after that show, first at the treatment room at my oncologist's office for about an hour, then later that afternoon, in the waiting room of our family doctor's office for about another hour. And people were definitely talking about it at both places. But most didn't like it at all.

About a week before that, someone posted pictures of Adam kissing a guy, on the internet. And they introduced the "judges save rule" around the same time.
I thought the judges were worried Adam would get voted off then.
But I figured if Adam could survive that ROF performance & not get booted, the pictures weren't going to do it either.
As for my opinion of that performance...I'm still on the fence about it...Pretty much like I am on every one of Adam's performances.

I wouldn't say everybody loved his Ring Of Fire rendition.
I spent the day after that show, first at the treatment room at my oncologist's office for about an hour, then later that afternoon, in the waiting room of our family doctor's office for about another hour. And people were definitely talking about it at both places. But most didn't like it at all.

About a week before that, someone posted pictures of Adam kissing a guy, on the internet. And they introduced the "judges save rule" around the same time.
I thought the judges were worried Adam would get voted off then.
But I figured if Adam could survive that ROF performance & not get booted, the pictures weren't going to do it either.
As for my opinion of that performance...I'm still on the fence about it...Pretty much like I am on every one of Adam's performances.

Oh, I meant the judges (although if memory serves me correctly, I don't think Simon liked it). I guess I was just being sarcastic. I hated it. :smile:

But the judges seem to really love him. I assume that also means so do the producers of the show.

Papa--I was one that did not particularly enjoy Adam's mideastern version of Ring Of Fire. He is smart, though, about his song choices. Every time he's thrust into a category that doesn't suit him (except for the country thing), he's chosen a ballad and come out smelling like a rose. Its a good strategy for not coming off as a karaoke singer or wannabe.

Personally, I wish that they would dispense with the categories altogether. Let the contestants define themselves in their best element, that's what I'd like to see.

Imagine if it were "American Guitarist" and each week had a category. Would they be doing metal, country, surf, blues, rock, jazz, classical, grunge, funk, etc, as different theme each week? The only way you'd win is to be a jack of all trades and master of none.

I'm going with the common wisdom that Adam wins the whole thing--BUT, when it gets down to the finals, the whole mechanics can change. Sometimes people vote for the underdog and sometimes the dark horse picks up the pace. I never thought Kris would still be in this, but he seems to be getting better all the time. Somebody has to perform a signature song that is so huge that it blows everybody else away, and that is a timing thing for the next few weeks.

The contestants dont usually pick the right song that can really showcase their style and range.

Sometimes it doesnt matter if they are good enough they can do any song good.

Id like to see the song choice taken away fron the contestants and have the judges decide on the songs they sing.

They do that during 1 show of the season as I remember when it gets down to the last few contestants they do 2 songs and the judges pick one they would like to hear them do.

One thing I havent seen this year is one show stopping performance.

Bo Bice did one when he sang by himself.

Phantasia did one when she did Summertime.

When Adam did "Ring of Fire," the overall mood of the version, at the time, was reminding me a little bit of this:



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I kinda liked Adam's Ring Of Fire at first.
But I'm really on the fence about him.
I mean, he just creeps me out at times. And all that stuff I've said a bunch of times.
I could see him winning...even admire his originality at times.
But he's #4 on my list as far as who I'd like to win it (assuming it was a legitimate contest)
There are definitely times when he makes me cringe, though.
As a performer, he seems to push the envelope most weeks.And most people I hear either love him or hate him.

I shouldn't have said that it dumbs down society - that's a harsh judgement and far too generalized.

My bad, folks.

I still do, however, think the show is on the shallow side. I find it unwatchable. But, based on the replies here, I'll try and keep an open mind about AI and look for something positive about it.

mantis, you're trying to make too much of something that is just all good fun. I think it's hilarious watching, for example, the exchange between Seacrest and Cowell every week. I really get the feeling they don't like each other. Or, is it all a sham to boost ratings? You also get to hear some pretty good vocalists do their thing each week. Then, of course, you hear Randy say "dog" about 10-15 times a show, Paula gushing over EVERY performance, Simon saying it like it is and Kara(?) acting like she's the best talent scout ever.

It's entertainment, that's all, sorta like watching Bevis and Butthead.....love it or hate it...

I don't know if I'd ever pay money to see him, but I think Adam is the most polished performer that has ever been on AI. I don't see any way he can fail to win.

I don't know if I'd ever pay money to see him, but I think Adam is the most polished performer that has ever been on AI. I don't see any way he can fail to win.

I agree he has the best stage presence of anyone thats ever been on the show.

Thats cause he has had lots of experience in theater/acting and has already been performing as a professional for many years.

Its sorta not fair to have him in there with the others that have zero experience.

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Lambert has been a stage actor since he was about 10 years old; he was cast as Linus in San Diego's Lyceum Theater's production of You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. He also played a part in The Ten Commandments at the Kodak Theatre alongside Val Kilmer. He was the understudy for the part of Fiyero in the touring and Los Angeles casts of the musical Wicked. Since 2004 he regularly performs at the Zodiac Show, which was co-created by Carmit Bachar of the Pussycat Dolls. He also performs at the Upright Cabaret.

The screamer did his signature high note...but I'm getting bored with him.

I liked the purple-haired girl best...her gravely voice just rocks.

I guess Matt will go next...even though he sings better than most on the radio today.

Allison was really good they were all pretty good.

I thought this was probably the best week so far as far as all the contestants are concerned.

I think it's Chris's turn to go. He said himself he can't compete vocally with the rest of them.

I'm hoping Danny from Milwaukee takes it all.

Allison was really good they were all pretty good.

I thought this was probably the best week so far as far as all the contestants are concerned.

I agree with you, Mark, they were all very good. I'm still afraid the teeny-bopper vote will get Allison kicked off; too bad, she has a very unique voice. On second thought, maybe it's better since she won't have to cow-tow to the AI rules. I think she's gonna make a name for herself.

Like emu! said, I'm really getting tired of the screamer, even though he is the most polished of the group.

It'll be very interesting tonight....

I tuned in to the last 2 minutes of it last night, for the wrap-up just because I was waiting for Fringe to come on. I was blown away.

There was more talent on that stage in those 5 singers than all other seasons of American Idol combined. Those are some seriously staggering voices.

I don't think I can stomach any more American Idol, which makes me wish I had never seen it before so that I could have watched this year's.

WOW

Agree they all did very well last night but I thought Allison was the best.

Matt did miss some notes.

And screaming Adam is also getting on my nerves.

I wish he would sing just one song straight (no pun intended).

Agree they all did very well last night but I thought Allison was the best.

Matt did miss some notes.

And screaming Adam is also getting on my nerves.

I wish he would sing just one song straight (no pun intended).

hahahah good one.

I still dont think we have seen the best performance from Allison she needs a Janis Joplin song or some really bluesy/rock song to really show off her voice.

Here is what the page on the net than can see the actual votes says were the votes from Tuesday night.

This might be a spoiler so if you dont wanna know the results push your back button.

The Voting results are below.























Most Votes - Adam Kris Danny Allison Matt - Least Votes

SO it looks like if this turns out to be true Im writing this at 11:49am wed pacific time the final 4 will be just as Seacrest said way way back in march when there were 12 performers.

Adam
Kris
Danny
Allison

final 4.

I agree he has the best stage presence of anyone thats ever been on the show.

Thats cause he has had lots of experience in theater/acting and has already been performing as a professional for many years.

Its sorta not fair to have him in there with the others that have zero experience.

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Lambert has been a stage actor since he was about 10 years old; he was cast as Linus in San Diego's Lyceum Theater's production of You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. He also played a part in The Ten Commandments at the Kodak Theatre alongside Val Kilmer. He was the understudy for the part of Fiyero in the touring and Los Angeles casts of the musical Wicked. Since 2004 he regularly performs at the Zodiac Show, which was co-created by Carmit Bachar of the Pussycat Dolls. He also performs at the Upright Cabaret.

I noticed that on Nashville Star a few years back as well. Several contestants had paid work experience as backup singers, songwriters, etc. That was the year Lance Miller was on there and don't even get me started on that...

Matt wasn't even really bad.
But IMO he was the weakest last night.
He missed a few notes & his runs just don't cut it for me.
But honestly, they were all pretty good.
It's just what it should be at this stage of the game...Just that it's never been this good in past seasons.
Matt should be gone tonight.
Then I don't care who wins..,
I'd say, as long as it's not Adam. But I think they'll all be doing something after AI anyway. And out of the lot, who knows?...Maybe Adam can do the most with the crap that he'll be obligated to record for them.

Thats the biggest prob except for the country contestants any of the ones that won and went into the pop or pop/rock category just havent done good.

Daughtry did good but he didnt win.

The songs Clive Davis makes them sing are horrible they ruined Bo Bice who was a southern rocker type and made him do pop just didnt work.

I will agree 100% these last 5 are the best singers that have ever been on AI since it started as a group.

I still dont think we have seen the best performance from Allison she needs a Janis Joplin song



I've been thinking the exact same thing.

When I see Allison a young Joplin is the first thing I think of.

Gosh, I miss Janis. Still.

A little of a shocker tonight with Adam being in the bottom three, and being the second lowest, with Kris ahead of him. Maybe, like several of us have stated, that the voters are tired of his screaming also. Nice to see Allison NOT in the bottom three. The right guy got sent home, I think that was pretty obvious.

Mark, did that page on the net you quoted get it wrong, or what?

Couldn't understand more than 2 words during the Jamie Foxx song...

Taylor Hicks with the prop Les Paul...corny to the nth degree. He still doesn't get it.

Once again, Paula's cleavage stole the show.

I flipped channels when Foxx came on. If that's the #1 song in America, real music is in a heap of trouble. Couldn't say much better for Hicks either, I'm glad I didn't get hooked on Idol till last year.

+1 on Paula, she was looking good....:mrgreen:

A little of a shocker tonight with Adam being in the bottom three, and being the second lowest, with Kris ahead of him. Maybe, like several of us have stated, that the voters are tired of his screaming also. Nice to see Allison NOT in the bottom three. The right guy got sent home, I think that was pretty obvious.

Mark, did that page on the net you quoted get it wrong, or what?

They got the part right who had the lowest votes. Things might have changed as the day went on and more votes were counted.

They should start posting the graphs of the actual votes each person gets next week I will post those after the show is over to not spoil the fun for anyone.

I still think its interesting the final 4 was the exact same people Seacrest said would be in there when there were still 12 contestants too many things can happen for him to just guess that.

go get em Allison...

http://gravitando.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/janis-joplin-0.jpg

http://www.zabasearch.com/ai/2009_images/allison.jpeg

Ya go girl you can win.

Due to a cable TV malfunction, I missed the Tuesday performances. So I have no objective opinion on who was good. I will say this--when Allison sang tonight in her part of the group sing, she didn't sound close to ready--she sounded fully formed. Marvelous vocal tone and command.

I found it interesting that Adam was second to last this week. That should shake him up a little bit and add some speculation to the show. And next week is 'rock and roll' night. So what will he choose? A screaming rocker or something surprising? I'm interested in his strategy at this point.

Let me ask you all a question. Out of the four who are left, who do you see as a viable artist--someone who you think can make records that you might want to buy? As polished as Adam is, I'm not sure I'd have any interest in his records, but I think Allison has strong potential as a song interpreter. I'm still not sure who Kris and Danny really are.

I was not impressed with Taylor Hick's tune. Not much of a hook. And what market is he aiming at? Rock, new country, blues? It was as if he was trying to hit multiple markets but didn't really have that amazing song to get the job done. I dug the lap steel player. This season, he would have not made the tour cut of 10. I will freely admit that he dropped some weight and looked really healthy and happy.

And even though AI is a "singing competition" I think that too often the contestants think that means fancy runs and hitting the high notes. The real objective is to be able to deliver a song honestly, with artistry and heart. It is always about emotion and connecting to the audience first. The runs and vocal acrobatics are just tools. If the singer isn't crawling into the song and projecting the vibe of the melody and lyrics, I don't think people care that much about the showy maneuvers.

A little of a shocker tonight with Adam being in the bottom three



I was not surprised at all.

The bulk of the voting demographic is not into Vegas cabaret-type show performances.

I imagine this is a lot like the kind of stuff Adam has been doing for a while in the drag shows he's performed in.

Well, there were only 5 left. So more than half the contestants were going to be in the bottom 3.
I think the final 4 are the 4 best & have been from the time they cut down to 12.
So even though there was that leak, it was pretty clear who the top 4 should have been.
I was pretty sure the whole Matt thing was a smoke screen.
I couldn't believe how Simon was blowing smoke up his rear end every week, while everyone in my house was wondering what he was listening to...
Not that he was that bad. He just wasn't that good.
I thought early on that Lil Rounds would be in the final 4. But as the weeks went by, she showed that she wasn't nearly as good as I thought at first.
I didn't watch the results show because I fell asleep (Old Fart).
But had I known it would be featuring performances by Jaime Fox & Taylor Hicks, I would have made it a point to not watch it anyway.
Man, those results shows are brutal.

Ya Taylor Hicks proved why he hasnt sold any records he is just horrible and Jamie Fox was even worse if thats possible! LOL

For different reasons, I enjoy the remaining four. As Simon often says, "America got it right" with the final four. As the end draws near, it really will come down to song selection and perfect performances. One of the best AI seasons I can remember.

I can't believe somebody didn't strangle Taylor Hicks when he did that Ford commercial they bombarded us with.
Great Caesar's Ghost!
It was on every 10 seconds & it was BAD.

Let me ask you all a question. Out of the four who are left, who do you see as a viable artist--someone who you think can make records that you might want to buy? As polished as Adam is, I'm not sure I'd have any interest in his records, but I think Allison has strong potential as a song interpreter. I'm still not sure who Kris and Danny really are.


If Adam was in a serious hard rock band, I would buy it, but only if I liked the songs.
Danny and Kris can both sing well, so if they had songs that I liked, then I would buy their albums.
If Allison comes out with Joplin-esque album I would avoid it. If she simply does what Joss Stone has been doing, I would avoid it. If she does the gravelly-voiced pop-rock that Amanda Marshall's been doing, I wouldn't bother with that either. I just don't see the point in another bluesy Joplin copy. Now, if she had someone like Peter Gabriel writing for her, that would be interesting to hear.

IMHO American Idol has reached the same point as American Chopper. The show has run it's course. The changes to the judging lineup and new judging rules are just an effort to milk another season out of what is essentially a "has been" show that is ripe for cancelation.

IMHO American Idol has reached the same point as American Chopper. The show has run it's course. The changes to the judging lineup and new judging rules are just an effort to milk another season out of what is essentially a "has been" show that is ripe for cancelation.

It will last at least a couple more seasons.

Its still the #1 rated show in America. WWE wrestling is the #1 rated show on cable.

Paula will leave after this season if Simon leaves its dust.

I agree with Mark. the new girl is there to replace Paula after this season. And Simon IS the show.

If Adam was in a serious hard rock band, I would buy it, but only if I liked the songs.
Danny and Kris can both sing well, so if they had songs that I liked, then I would buy their albums.
If Allison comes out with Joplin-esque album I would avoid it. If she simply does what Joss Stone has been doing, I would avoid it. If she does the gravelly-voiced pop-rock that Amanda Marshall's been doing, I wouldn't bother with that either. I just don't see the point in another bluesy Joplin copy. Now, if she had someone like Peter Gabriel writing for her, that would be interesting to hear.


I like the point you bring up, which is context and material. I think they would all be doing themselves a favor but finding songs with depth and originality, cause the better the songs are, the better they are going to be. Allison would be making a big mistake trying to out-Janis Janis. And, it would be a waste of her talent because she can run the stylistic gamut from soft and sultry to pedal to the metal rock.

They could all benefit by having a producer like Rick Rubin--somebody who really understands songs and can find the essence of an artist. I wonder if any of them are also songwriters of any substance. If not, they will have to find outside material, which might be a challenge.

The other thing is what direction they plan to go in, and these days, with market niches so tight, I wonder what kind of artistic vision they have for themselves.

I'd produce Adam rock with some alternative and catchy ballads as a side dish. With Allison, I'd go for a mixture of rock, soul, classic pop and a dash of folk/blues. I'd really try to create a project that homogenized that behind her voice. The other two, I'd take a pass. Not because they are not talented, but because I don't know what I could do with them.

I haven't chimed in this thread yet - but just wanted to mention that Kris is from Conway, AR where I live. He has a following alone from his singing at New Life Church here. The worship pastor's wife at NLC tutors for my son as well as sings with their worship team.

We have had a "small" inside scoop about some of the dealings on the show through Kris's contact with his NLC team. Remember a few weeks ago when he played "in" the audience and nobody liked it? AI set that up. Not his choice - and he has refused to do that again. Also, during disco week we discovered he was doing "She Works Hard" the week prior and we all went - no way he can pull that off......Well, IMHO he did a great job working with a type of music I never cared for.

They are all good, but we have to root for Kris knowing a bit about him and his beliefs. The music industry could use a little of what Kris feels.

I guess we really don't know if any of them can write.
That could make all the difference in the world.
I have yet to buy my first CD by an artist who's ever been on AI, mainly because so far none of it is my type of music.
Probably the closest to that would be Bo Bice.
I really kinda liked that skinny blond girl from last season (I think), who's name I can't think of at the moment.
Not that she was an outstanding singer...But there was a certain sincerity to her that I really liked.
If I was to hear some of her material, I'd think there would be something there I might buy.
Of the 4 remaining, it's hard to say right now. But if any of them can write the right kind of songs, they all have the ability to deliver the goods.
I know I'll never buy an AI produced & written record though...unless it's a total departure from the previous ones.

If I had control over what the kids did on the show Id have Adam do some Queen songs Allison do Janis or Etta James Danny do Joe Cocker and Kris James Taylor or a song by Bread.

I'm waiting for Adam to sing "Welcome To The Jungle"

If I had control over what the kids did on the show Id have Adam do some Queen songs Allison do Janis or Etta James Danny do Joe Cocker and Kris James Taylor or a song by Bread.

But why do the obvious? I don't think they should simply try to imitate the style of artists who they sound like.
How about Adam sing some Springsteen/Mellencamp/Seger heartland rock music?
What could Allison do with some Madonna material or stuff like Alannis Morisette?
How about Kris doing some Maroon 5/INXS dance rock?
Danny doing funk or Chili Peppers would be fascinating.
Too often these kids get stuck singing obvious stuff that sounds like someone else. Then they disappear because, well, they simply sound like someone who's already done that.

But why do the obvious? I don't think they should simply try to imitate the style of artists who they sound like.
How about Adam sing some Springsteen/Mellencamp/Seger heartland rock music?
What could Allison do with some Madonna material or stuff like Alannis Morisette?
How about Kris doing some Maroon 5/INXS dance rock?
Danny doing funk or Chili Peppers would be fascinating.
Too often these kids get stuck singing obvious stuff that sounds like someone else. Then they disappear because, well, they simply sound like someone who's already done that.

I was just picking artists that their voices wouldnt have to strain to do good.

Let each person put their own twist on the songs. I agree they would be obvious choices but thats just what Id like to see.

Kris could do Maroon5 good.

Adam would do welcome to the jungle good too!

Here is some stuff from the web about next weeks show.

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For "Rock week" (a broad theme) in the top 4, TopIdol has learned that the contestants will have solo performances and will also perform a duet. This is probably because the 4 judges don't know how to shut up and limit their opinions to 30 seconds. Hopefully we get a hilarious Adam Lambert-Danny Gokey duet where the 2 look like they want to push the other person off the stage. Train wreck potential is high this week (yay!)

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Rock week LOL should be fun

If I had control over what the kids did on the show Id have Adam do some Queen songs Allison do Janis or Etta James Danny do Joe Cocker and Kris James Taylor or a song by Bread.

Noooooooo!
Please...Don't let anyone do any song by Bread!:shock::razz:

But seriously,
I think it would say more about the contestants as artists if they were allowed to perform whatever songs they wanted to perform...
No weekly themes or any of that BS.
Just let them do what they want, including original songs, and judge them based on who & what they really are as performers & artists instead of how well they can jump through hoops.
Why would anyone care if someone can sing a show tune or a Neil Sedaka song or whatever, if that's not what they're going to be doing after the show?
And if that is what they plan onm doing after the show, then why are they on the show in the first place?

Adam has got to develop a sense of melody. What he did to "Feeling Good" was punishing to listen to. I suppose it was interesting technically but he ruined what is really a great melody.

Danny was fantastic. He has the best tone of anyone in the bunch IMO.

Here is some more Idol stuff that might prove how the show is fixed and why Adam who got the most votes was in the bottom 2.

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Now that Nigel Lythgoe has been kicked to the curb by Idol, the former Executive Producer has no problem spilling secrets every now and then. And he just spilled one that definitely questions the show's legitimacy. Nigel tells the New York Post that Telescope, the company that coutns Idol votes, just lets the producers know the "bottom 3" but that they don't actually say who had the second or third lowest vote count. It's just a group thing along with who is going home. Nigel says that because of this, the producers can have a contestant declared safe first, but that they may not have had more votes than the two people standing in danger.

"...It doesn't mean the show won't take some liberty with the order that the other two low-vote receiving contestants are told to sit down, he says...


Since "Idol" never specifically states who the second- and third-lowest vote getters are, any conclusions that the audience draws from the order that they're sent to the safe stand is purely "up to the public at home."


We call bs. If Idol can easily manipulate the bottom 3 like that, there's no way the show doesn't manipulate everything else. So the Adam Lambert in the bottom 2 scenario was just to scare people into voting him for the win of course. Keep spilling those secrets, Nigel. We'll eventually prove that this show is a joke.

Wha!? So ... ?

Bottom three is still the bottom three and the lowest is still the lowest.

In no way at all does the description above point to anything being "fixed" what so ever.

Wha!? So ... ?

Bottom three is still the bottom three and the lowest is still the lowest.

In no way at all does the description above point to anything being "fixed" what so ever.


Adam got the most votes last week but was put in the bottom.

There is a site on the net that shows the votes and Adam did get the most votes.

here is the info from the site.

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Most Votes - Adam Danny Kris Allison Matt - Least Votes

We stand by our position that Adam received the most votes after the April 28 performance show and don't know why he was put in the "bottom three" on the April 29 results show. The voting results above were posted eight hours before the results show aired.

"In Wednesday's elimination show, Adam Lambert, the theatrical singer who had seemed to be a front-runner for the "Idol" crown, was in the bottom two. How very interesting. The night after Fox fended off a strong showing from CBS in the overall ratings numbers (Fox had 16.1 million total live viewers, according to TV by the Numbers, compared to CBS' 15.1 million), this season of "Idol" became a horse-race, not merely the coronation of a front-runner." - Maureen Ryan, Chicago Tribune Blog April 30, 2009

"It would be quite the statistical anomaly for Adam to be consistently Googled and searched on the Internet 3.2 times more frequently than all of the other remaining contestants combined, as he is, and not receive the greatest number of votes. The only two plausible explanations are 1) the voting process is systemically flawed, or 2) the results shows are produced to pique viewer interest by creating drama not actually reflected in the voting results." - Nick Matzorkis

http://www.zabasearch.com/ai_stats.php

Thats the link I get some of this info from.

Just got the scoop on Kris's song choice this week. I promised not to tell the title but will share that it's from some album called "Abbey Road"......:wink:

Every show on TV is fixed or scripted to an extent. Even porn.:grin:

Adam got the most votes last week but was put in the bottom.



Probably not the first time Adam has been "in the bottom".

Probably not the first time Adam has been "in the bottom".

Huh? I don't get...ohhhhh, I see, it's a gay joke. Ohhhhh. Haha ha. Hmm. :roll:

Probably not the first time Adam has been "in the bottom".

Bwwwwaaaahahahah.

here is the latest gossip about Adam this is getting interesting.

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You may have heard Adam Lambert's voice before. He recorded a vocal of "We Are the Champions" for District 78. Since the show is produced by Randy Jackson and he probably knows where the music comes from, did Randy Jackson ask Adam Lambert to audition for the show? It wouldn't be surprising since he clearly knew Carly Smithson before she made it to the top 6 last year. Oh Randy, you're finally going to be involved in a scandal and people may finally care about your opinion for one day.

Oooh that is juicy gossip!

And apparently Allison already won a similar TV talent contest when she was younger.

This fellow is gay? I thought he was just naturally flamboyant.

On another note, most TV Gospel programming is fixed too! People have been consistently reading from the same text now for about 1900 years.

Bwwwwaaaahahahah.

here is the latest gossip about Adam this is getting interesting.

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You may have heard Adam Lambert's voice before. He recorded a vocal of "We Are the Champions" for District 78. Since the show is produced by Randy Jackson and he probably knows where the music comes from, did Randy Jackson ask Adam Lambert to audition for the show? It wouldn't be surprising since he clearly knew Carly Smithson before she made it to the top 6 last year. Oh Randy, you're finally going to be involved in a scandal and people may finally care about your opinion for one day.

Wasn't there also a connection between Randy & that little girl a couple of seasons ago, who I think was Patti LaBelle's gran daughter or something?
I can't remember her name. But she was a 16 or 17 year old "diva", who started out pretty good & got more & more obnoxious every week.

My opinion on Lambert doing Zep tonight -

To me it was Elvis' sneer meets Adam Ant.

Sorry, it looked like a drag show again.

Another homosexual reference. Are you suggesting the guy doesn't necessarily like girls but wants to be one of the girls?

This is all scandalous in its own right!

I just caught a song on Idol tonight, and saw this thread. I thought I would comment.

I don't like Idol. The only part I like is in the begining when Simon crushes the dreams of everyone that thinks they can sing.

Sorry, I can't resist commenting again.

On Allison doing Janis -

When she said to Slash her other choice was "Somebody To Love" I knew she meant the Airplane and not Queen. And I knew many people (including Simon I guess) were going to think she meant Queen's song.

Personally I think she should have done StL instead of Cty Baby.

We have mentioned Allison and Janis before. But I agree that it was a bad song choice. And she didn't do a great job. There's something about her voice that's lacking. Doesn't anyone else hear it? Like a lot of AI singers, she's often flat on the longer held softer breathy passages.

And, IMHO, no one ever has had the touch, the tone, the emotion, the phrasing, the power, the gentleness, the rawness, the exposed feeling of Janis. No one.

Anybody else not happy with Adam's performance? I personally felt like he should have chosen a different song.

Will you guys cool it?

It's not on for 2 more hours here...

;o)

I just want to know why American Idol equates good singing with screaming. I am just saying. You don't need to scream out high notes on every song, and you don't need to end every song with that tacky oh oh ooohhh oohhh ohhhhoyeah, yeaaahhh yea hho oohh yeahhh, or however you spell it.

Well, Adam was alright, GF loved it (and she hates it whenever ANYBODY covers Zeppelin) I liked Allison's performance, but it was missing that emotional heft that Janis had-granted the kid is only 17 and doesn't have that emotional well to draw upon that someone who has lived a longer time would have.

As for the other 2, I've heard better karaoke singers than what I heard tonight-I can sing "Come Together" better than Kris... and I'm not that great a singer...

Franc Robert

Close out with "Slow Ride" Adam and Allison-best performance of the night, by far...

Franc Robert

Okay...
Allison's not Janis.
But only Janis was Janis & Janis aint even Janis any more.
Sorry.
I thought Allison was the best of the night.
Adam's spent the entire season so far trying to play "rock star". And the one week when he was supposed to do a rock song, I thought he failed miserably.
Whole Lotta Love isn't really a singers song to begin with. It's basically a whole lotta screaming.
But what little melody there was, was flat or just thrown out the window altogether.
I totally hated it.
Danny & Kris, both of whom I like, were pretty weak tonight as well.
Kris may be done. But Danny has the whole Lens Crafters scandal going on now. So maybe they'll uhm...forget to count a few votes to get rid of him now.
As much as I hated Adam tonight I don't think he was the worst performer. And I get the feeling Simon wants him to win, which means he probably will.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x96zqt_simon1-ellen_music

yes Simon wants Adam to win he said so on the Ellen DeGeneres Show today

Classic ROCK! Duuuuuuddddddeeee


The Sreamer was in his element. He blew the competion away. (no pun intended)

The Purple Haired Girl was/is still my favorite of the remaining. I really like her gritty voice. Maybe she is not Joplin, but remember, she is only 17.

One of the straight dudes will be going home...probably the one that attempted Steven Tyler's vocals. (I bet he never tries THAT again)


BTW...it should be considered a crime to cover Slow Ride and not do the cresendo at the end.:sad:

Allison was the best again. I thought her duet with Adam was really good. Her low voice went really well with Adam's wailing. Sure only Janis can do Janis, but out of everybody she was the only one who did a solo song any justice.

The harmonies in Kris and Danny's duet sounded really good. Come Together was really really bad, and Danny's was even worse. That scream at the end? Just totally out of his zone.

I wonder if Allison's reaction to the judging may have hurt her more than the judging itself. Or maybe it helped that she showed some teeth? I think it was pretty obvious that the judges were just trying to anoint her Next To Go. What was with the new judge's passive-aggressive jabs about her not having any personality? Either way, I think Adam saying that he hoped their duet would help her stay in WILL help her stay in, which is good because I think it's time for Kris to go home, although based on today's performances, I'd have to say Danny did the worst.

Final 3: (loser) Allison, Adam, Danny (winner) is my prediction at the moment.

I just caught the show. What in the world was Danny thinking? If Adam had attempted that song he would have NAILED it, but Danny was embarrassing. There's the difference. Dream On is all built around finally reaching that scream and Danny's was like watching a butcher do brain surgery. Kris was two dimensional and not very interesting. Allison was better with her Janis song, but her redemption was certainly the duet--that was pretty damn good and blew the Danny and Kris duet out of the water.

In short, I will be very surprised if Kris doesn't go home tomorrow. I think Danny has too many fans to get voted off, but if he went tomorrow, I'd be OK with that. To me Adam and Allison are the best voices left.

Which probably means that Allison is going home, since I'm not right very often. I wish she hadn't gone for the Joplin song.

I thought the duet with Adam and Allison was the best of the night. Funny that Allison sang the low parts! LOL

Allison doesnt have the life experiences to draw from like Janis did kinda hard to sing the blues when you just turned 17 but her and Adams solo performances were still the best 2. She could have done a different Janis song better I bet.

Kris was good he will stay 1 more week then the last 2 I predict will be Allison and Adam.

Danny was easily the worst his scream sounded like something out of Werewolf of London. He hit about 30 notes at once! LOL

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LOL ... yeah, that sucked

Well, I know the results show will be on at my house tonight for the first time in a long time.
My daughter's been a huge No Doubt fan since day one.
That's about as mainstream as she gets. And that's alright with me.
Gwen's got some legs. And I expect I'll give 'em a listen tonight.

Random thoughts:

They didn't get to have a rehersal due to the stage mishap so I wonder if that would have helped in their final performance?

Adam sounded more like Axl Rose than Robert Plant.

Allison didn't want to do "piece of my heart" because it was done by Kelly Clarkson on the show. She would have nailed it or done STL or a Heart song.

Janis was drunk or on drugs most of the time. Allison sang it straight up and it was good but not the best choice to win.

What was Danny thinking? He should have at least did his own version than try to be Steven Tyler. Adam would have nailed that song and it would have been better than Whole Lotta Love, but then, anything he does is loved by the judges.

Matt is due to go due to the talent line up. If he did a great song, it would be Danny. Either way, they are the next two to go, unless the Jonas/Miley crowd have their say.

Adam rocked. If you wanted to hear Robert Plant, that was not it, but he brought a 80's/90's rock-screamer vibe to it. It sounded like Sebastian Bach or Rob Halford. It sure didn't sound flat to me.
Allison did Janis. Wow. What a shock.

I only watch the show because my wife makes me. :grin:

Now, I don't really like Adam much, but to say that he is anything less than the best singer AI has ever seen is just ludicrous. (JMO, of course :grin: ) The guy has an amazing voice and everything he sings is near perfect. After singers like Ruben and Taylor (who weren't really that good to begin with), it's hard to imagine him not winning this season.

Adam blew the last note. Whole Lotta Lovin' never ends by going to a high pitched scream. It ends with the release from the climax - not the climax. He blew the song.

Adam blew the last note. Whole Lotta Lovin' never ends by going to a high pitched scream. It ends with the release from the climax - not the climax. He blew the song.

Well, so much for artistic interpretation, or for the whole idea of doing a cover in a different way from the original.
"Blinded by the Light" didn't have synthesizers either. What was Manfred Mann thinking?? Besides, Whole Lotta Love fades out on the album, so the ending is kind of open to any interpretation you like.

I don't think Adam did that great of a job bringing 80's, 90's screamer rock out. His voice sounds to clean and "trained" to come out right for that song. He is just way to broadway, and his voice reeks of it. I like Danny as the winner, but my lord, what was he thinking?!? I hope he makes it through and never has to face another rock week again in his life. I don't think he could pull through a disaster like that again!

I think the duet idea was long overdue.

It made it easy to see how the contestants voices stacked up against each other on the same song.

I thought Adam and Allison were close to equal in the Duet with Allison maybe being just a bit better but on Adams solo performances since he has so much stage experience he aleways seems to do pretty good.

Danny or Kris will go home tonight for sure.

After that horrible performance Danny did I hope its him but he has a pretty huge fan base that will probably keep him alive 1 more week.

OK, I guess I'm a minority of one.

I kinda liked Danny's "Dream On" ... until the end.

OK, I guess I'm a minority of one.

I kinda liked Danny's "Dream On" ... until the end.

I agree completely; if he hadn't have tried to hit that note(s) at the end, I think he did a good job.

Well Mark, your link says that Adam got the most votes this week and Kris the least. Curious to see how they play it out tonight....

Well Mark, your link says that Adam got the most votes this week and Kris the least. Curious to see how they play it out tonight....

Ya me too the only way I will truly believe that Adam really was in the bottom 2 last week is if he gets voted off this week.

They put Ruben in the bottom 3 a few weeks before the finals and that shocked everyone. I think they just did that to make people think anyone can get voted off at anytime.

The site changed the votes to this a couple hours ago.

May 6, 2009: Most Votes - Adam Danny Kris Allison - Least Votes

Hope its not true but we will see soon

Well, the teeny-boopers did it again....what a bummer....

The Screamer is counting his money already...:neutral:

Allison got hosed.
I really liked Danny through the whole thing.
But that scream at the end of Dream ON shouldda been enough to give him the works at this stage of the game.

Hopefully Allison got Tony Kanal's phone number so he can produce her album.

Hahaha anybody have any idea what Allison said tonight that got censored? I think it was da*nit. Definitely not the f-bomb. Nobody there seemed to pay it any mind, but her audio definitely cuts out when she was recapping her interaction with Simon.

Yea, what a shame, she was top 3 IMO. I figured next week would be her week to go. Kris seems like a real nice guy, but I think even he would admit that Allison has a bit more going on in the vocal department (although Kris is more marketable to the tweens). Come to think of it, they all seem like nice folks. Would be cool to seem all of them get something out of this competition.

Allison's swan song was really great, and she went off gracefully (I think she was expecting this), so I do not think we have seen the last of her.

Allison's swan song was really great, and she went off gracefully (I think she was expecting this), so I do not think we have seen the last of her.

Yeah, that was probably the best "Performance After Getting The Boot" ever. Gave me goosebumps.

As soon as they sent Kris to safety, Allison new she was done. The suspense was over early, but it gave her time to collect herself and prepare to sing her swan song at the end of the show. Hope good things happen for Allison, she's got pipes.

ANybody else suspect Paula Abdul was lip-syncing?

I find it almost unfathomable that a woman in her mid 40's could do that much dancing and not get winded.

Gwen Stephani on the other hand was singing in real-time...although I'm not sure why she was dressed up like Cindy Lauper.:confused:

ANybody else suspect Paula Abdul was lip-syncing?

I find it almost unfathomable that a woman in her mid 40's could do that much dancing and not get winded.

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No doubt, but they do that a lot.

I'm sure we'll be hearing from all 4 after AI.
Allison's the real deal in my book.
Actually, I think all 4 are.
I think Adam's persona is phony. But his talent is real.
I'm through with trying to predict who's gonna win because they just keep messin' with me.

Adam doing Zeppelin was scary bad. The dude can hit some notes and has mad skills but I've never heard a less soulful or wimpy vocal delivery of that song. That guy is *not* a real rocker - he is a show tunes kind of guy with a poseur outfit.

Chris was fine - he really didn't show much this week.

I thought Allison was fantastic on Tuesday doing Janis but last night for her farewell she was absolutely ****ing brilliant. She REALLY nailed it.

Danny was just decent but that last note was shaky. But he DID hit those high "Dream On" notes before the last note. Regardless of the horror movie last note, that guy has the best tone of the bunch.

The Allison/Adam duet was painful. Sure they sang in tune but Adam in particular was so cheesy - it was like the cast of Annie doing Foghat. Brutally corny IMO.

I thought the Chris/Danny duet was very good. Their harmonies were great. Chris hit a few clunkers but Danny NAILED it.

For as much as Simon goes on about "cabaret" performances, I don't get why he loves Adam so much. And the rest routinely chastise folks for taking too many liberties with the melodies of songs, yet let Adam slide by with rotten "interpretations". I think we should call him Screech.

The only two that I'd by a record from would be Danny and Allison - they have such great tone. Chris is just going to release a wimpy pop album and I'm sure Adam will release some over the top Rocky Horror Picture Show vs. Meatloaf theatrical mess.

I'm sure we'll be hearing from all 4 after AI.
Allison's the real deal in my book.
Actually, I think all 4 are.
I think Adam's persona is phony. But his talent is real.
I'm through with trying to predict who's gonna win because they just keep messin' with me.

+1000...:mrgreen:

You know something really bothered me with last night's show's opening sequence? Here's Slash playing School's Out and all the little idols are having their bit to sing.

So along comes Alison's moment. And she pushes and punches the fellows.

Why do we condone this? Why do we as a society set a double standard? Why is chick on guy violence ok? What if one of the guys have punched and/or shoved her?

You think we might hear a bit of an uproar about one of the guys punching or shoving a woman? Oh, I think so.

A friend of mine who's a senior reporter for CBC news in Canada did an in-depth study of domestic violence in Eastern Canada. The results were from police reports. remember that point. It's important.

From all info gleaned from the police reports and court proceedings from actual CHARGES filed and prosecuted, 70% of all domestic violence is women on men. These were serious injuries, hospital stays, fingers cut off, gunshots wounds, stabbings (most common), paralysis, bashed skulls, eyes gouged out, etc

Now, imagine the amount that didn't get reported by men too ashamed to admit their wives knocked them around?

The whole story was shelved by the CBC "in the public interest". Because they didn't feel it was politically correct.

This double standard really disturbs me, and I found that action by Allison extremely disturbing.

Of course, your opinions may vary and you may see nothing wrong with it. I am not suggesting to you how you should think about all this... just voicing my own opinion.

YMMV.

Ward

Allison at least left with a killer performance.

I will say this for her she isnt the best but she is the best performer ever on AI in her age bracket 16-17.

It might be good she left now she doesnt have to sign with Simon or Clive Davis so they can ruin her sound with pop songs.

We will see here again I bet but you never know the music biz is crazy.

Allison at least left with a killer performance

It might be good she left now she doesnt have to sign with Simon or Clive Davis so they can ruin her sound with pop songs.crazy.



I said the same thing to my family, when they got rid of Matt last week. What a fine musician he is. That "My funny valentine' gave me chills ! I get a kick out of these "celebrities" like Marry Manilow,or That Guy who played Ray Charles in the movie "Teach" these great young talents how to sing. That phony lip synced act he did last week was a disaster !

You know something really bothered me with last night's show's opening sequence? Here's Slash playing School's Out and all the little idols are having their bit to sing.

So along comes Alison's moment. And she pushes and punches the fellows.

Why do we condone this? Why do we as a society set a double standard? Why is chick on guy violence ok? What if one of the guys have punched and/or shoved her?

While you're certainly correct that there is lots of lady on guy domestic violence that goes under the public's radar, I think the forceful punch to Danny was purely accidental, some misjudged stage drama. But you're right, it was strange. The whole performance was weird. Three guys surrounding an under-aged girl (some of them have 10 years on her), her pushing them around, it was just uncomfortable in general. I think most people just tried to forget it ever happened after watching it. Think you're the first person to bring it up.

That whole group production number thing, combined with the Ford commercial & performances by "stars" like Jamie Fox & Lady Gag me & of course the constant spew of nonsense by the "judges" are the reasons I don't usually watch the results shows...
Not to mention the way they obnoxiously drag out something that could be done in a minute, to make it take a freakin' hour.
I watched most of it last night because I wanted to see No Doubt.
But I missed the group song.
I went upstairs in time to catch the middle of Paula's lip sync dance.

While you're certainly correct that there is lots of lady on guy domestic violence that goes under the public's radar, I think the forceful punch to Danny was purely accidental, some misjudged stage drama. But you're right, it was strange. The whole performance was weird. Three guys surrounding an under-aged girl (some of them have 10 years on her), her pushing them around, it was just uncomfortable in general. I think most people just tried to forget it ever happened after watching it. Think you're the first person to bring it up.

That whole thing was set up a week or two ago when they showed a video of all of them making birthday cakes and it ended up as a food fight. Danny and Allison were having a war with the cake and ended up wrestling with each other. It was all in fun and not violence. If you didn't see it then the punch would have been taken out of context as it was meant to be a love tap.

Out of the last 4, in my opinion, Allison is the best singer. Despite the luke warm reception of Allison's version of "Cry Baby", I thought her vocal performance on both nights was brilliant. I agree with her response to the judges suggestion that she do "Piece of my Heart". Its been done to death.
First and foremost I'm a Danny Gokey fan. I love his powerful vocals and his personality is much more down to earth and real than Adam's. Adam has great vocal ability but for me its watching a guy with great technical ability and not much feeling.
Kris is the least talented and unique of the 4.
As for Danny's "Dream On", performance, I think it was horrible. Not jut the last note but from the first line his phrasing was terrible and his enunciation was choppy and abrupt. It was not smooth at all. Despite a terrible performance I knew he would not be in trouble. He's got far too much popularity that one bad performance would end his journey. If he can come back really strong I feel he can beat Adam.

Well, one week to go. I know that Simon has already anointed Adam, but I wish he was wrong. I give him props for amazing talent, but I would certainly buy an album by Danny or Chris before one by Adam. I know the judges want the contestants to make the songs their own, but Adam's version of "One" was totally unrecognizable at times. Let him go to Broadway; let Danny or Chris be the Idol.

Sorry, haven't been following this whole thread, but...

I haven't had "goosebumps" since Melinda Doolittle. I know this is a singing competition and you have to balance the "serve the song" line with the "let the song serve my singing" line in order to win..but...

This Adam guy is so far across, it's just not musical to me, and he has huge emotional disconnects with the song he's singing..and he's often off pitch.

The Screamer did his signiture high note, but Steven Tyler he ain't.

Gokey was the best singer IMO, BUT...

Chris seems more market-able since the young girls like him.


Who's gonna win?...Hell if I know.:grin:

Can you imagine buying am CD full of the Adams singing? Nor can I. They've already annointed him. I think he would be good in a GnR cover band

The Screamer did his signiture high note, but Steven Tyler he ain't.

Gokey was the best singer IMO, BUT...

Chris seems more market-able since the young girls like him.


Who's gonna win?...Hell if I know.:grin:

If I had to put down money, I'd put it on Adam, but nothing is certain right now, is it? Since the voting is as much about fans and popularity as it is about singing skills, it is totally possible that the next elimination show will be surprising.

I see it like this, personally:

#1 Adam. Most talent and emotive ability as a vocalist.
#2 Danny. When he's in his element, he's damn good and can move me. His "You Are So Beautiful" moved me, but I think it was because I imagined him singing it to his deceased wife. Nice job anyway. Had some heart.
#3 Kris. While all music opinions and musical tastes are subjective, I think he's good but he hasn't done anything that knocked me to the floor all season. Not once has he pierced my heart. He's got his good looks and that is star power these days, but I work with guys who blow him away playing the clubs.

So, I am hoping it is an Adam and Danny finale. Who knows? We've got the gay virtuoso, the "normal" church worship guy next door and the teenie heart throb Brad Pitt sort of guy. Its not what I think--its what America decides. It will be interesting to see how it ends up. At this point, nothing would surprise me.

Adam will win. He'll get the royal treatment with a great producer, best songs and musicians. It'll be Carri Underwood all over again:
A true talent who rises above American prefab.

At first I was pretty blown away with Adam's vocal range and clear vocals, but after a while it started getting to feel like there he goes again with the same high note and his tongue sticking out(it kind if weirds me out that his tongue won't stay in his mouth when he goes for the high stuff!) It all seems just way to broadway show for me. I like Danny the most when he is in his element, but he has proven that it is not good to try to make him do something outside of his musical "box". I agree that Chris has a look and pretty boy crooner sound that the girls like, but I don't think his singing is in the park against Danny and Adam. You never know how it will go for sure. I'm expecting Adam and Danny, but wouldn't be surprise to actually see Chris and Danny after the some old scream fest that Adam made of both his songs.

Man, did Adam give me a freakin' headache last night!
Honestly, IMO, his rendition of One was the single most obnoxious POS I've heard on the show in all the seasons combined, outside of the audition shows.
And Crying was a close second.
There was no melosy at all.
He just gets on stage & lets loose with his vocal masturbation, leading to the usual obnoxious screaming climax every time.
I hate it more every time I see it.
But since Simon obviously has some undetermined connection with him, he'll probably end up winning.
Fine by me.
Let him get stuck with the contractual obligation album.
I don't think he's likable enough or good enough to survive that like Carrie Underwear & Kelly Clarkson were.
He''l eventually go away like the rest of the "winners".

We must be watching different shows... I think Adam is the most talented contestant in the history of the show. When I watch, I feel sorry for the others that they had the misfortune to be on the show in the same year as him. I don't think Danny or Chris is in the same universe as Adam.

I doubt if I would ever buy anything by Adam, but I think his talent is obvious.

Man, did Adam give me a freakin' headache last night!
Honestly, IMO, his rendition of One was the single most obnoxious POS I've heard on the show in all the seasons combined, outside of the audition shows.
And Crying was a close second.
There was no melosy at all.
He just gets on stage & lets loose with his vocal masturbation, leading to the usual obnoxious screaming climax every time.
I hate it more every time I see it.
But since Simon obviously has some undetermined connection with him, he'll probably end up winning.
Fine by me.
Let him get stuck with the contractual obligation album.
I don't think he's likable enough or good enough to survive that like Carrie Underwear & Kelly Clarkson were.
He''l eventually go away like the rest of the "winners".

Papa, I agree +1000 with you. At first, I felt that he, by far, had the best voice. But, the more I listen to him, the more I feel just like you. And I love your "vocal masturbation" comment; that's priceless....:mrgreen:

(Oh, I hope you misspelled "melody", never heard the word "melosy")

I don't deny Adams talent.
But I just thought he was particularly brutal last night.
There have been times when he was amazing & others when he's just been obnoxious & awful. And the judges always blow smoke up his @$$ regardless.
There's a lot more to singing than screaming & hitting a high note.
There are plenty of times when Adam's amazing.
But last night there was just no melody at all...Nothing but screaming.
If I wasn't there to hear him tell everyone what he was singing, I wouldn't have recognized either song.
And if I was listening to the radio & heard either song, I'dda said,"WTF is this crap?", & changed the station.

Different strokes for different folks...

And the judges always blow smoke up his @$$ regardless.

I love the clever way you avoided the TDPRI language filter. It took me a moment to realize that you were using a disallowed word. Well done.

I don't deny Adams talent.
But I just thought he was particularly brutal last night.
There have been times when he was amazing & others when he's just been obnoxious & awful. And the judges always blow smoke up his @$$ regardless.
There's a lot more to singing than screaming & hitting a high note.
There are plenty of times when Adam's amazing.
But last night there was just no melody at all...Nothing but screaming.
If I wasn't there to hear him tell everyone what he was singing, I wouldn't have recognized either song.
And if I was listening to the radio & heard either song, I'dda said,"WTF is this crap?", & changed the station.

Agree totally. His version of One started off good until he did his screaming interpretation. Like you, I would change the channel if I heard his screaming on the radio.

Adam's version of One was horrific from the outset. Bono has a very rich, organic voice and to hear Adam's sterile, shrilly voice sing it was truly awful from the first note. Simon was very proud of his arrangement - it was in his words "ghastly".

I would have loved to heard Danny or Kris sing that - what the hell were those judges choices for them anyhow? I never heard those songs before. Last night seemed incredibly staged: give Adam an epic anthem tune that the whole world knows and give the other two a couple obscure and very boring tunes. Then make sure Adam sings last and kiss his @$$.

Sorry judges but you are OUT OF YOUR MINDS - they keep propping him up as some "hard rock" guy but I can assure you that very few fans of hard rock music will buy Adam's albums. He should be singing show tunes on Broadway or something like that.

Danny has the best tone - his rendition of the Cocker tune last night was stunning.

I was almost certain that Chris was going home this week, but after his 2nd performance last night, I'm really not sure. It had that John Mayer/Jack Johnson thing going on, so I think he will steal lots of the teeny-bop votes from Danny or Adam. Just not sure which one.

I think tonight's results may be a shocker.

I've said it before and will repeat - I'm in the camp of former Adam fans that now find his singing extremely irritating.

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Oh, and one more thing - just once before I die I’d like to hear a singer introduce a song by saying “I’m going to perform (name of song) by (name of songwriter).”

Kudos to Randy Jackson for pointing out that “You Are So Beautiful” was written by Billy Preston and not by Joe Cocker. (Geesh, I hate it when I hear stuff like that.)

But! Randy did leave out that the co-writer was Bruce Fisher (who also co-wrote “Nothing From Nothing”).

It is also rumored that Dennis Wilson also co-wrote the song. He used to do a stand-on-the-edge-of-the-stage quiet semi a cappella version in Beach Boy shows in the 70s.

I was almost certain that Chris was going home this week, but after his 2nd performance last night, I'm really not sure. It had that John Mayer/Jack Johnson thing going on, so I think he will steal lots of the teeny-bop votes from Danny or Adam. Just not sure which one.

I think tonight's results may be a shocker.

+1

Kris did such a great job on the Kanye West song that it was worth many more votes for him. his 1st song wasn't near as bad as the judges said. Danny did good on "You Are So Beautiful", but the first number was lousy and most people were unfamiliar with the original.

no matter what the judges say, middle america is growing tired of Adam. that screechy stuff "don't play in Peoria". plus, he doesn't NEED to win to be famous...he's already got plenty of hype.

BTW, betcha Tatiana makes an appearance in next wednesday's big finale'

Kris and Allison have the best chances of doing stuff after Idol.

Adam could never do country as many of the Idols have done cause its the easiest style to be accepted into by the fans.

Even that cute Blonde from Dancing with the Stars Julianne Hough made it big in country.

Danny might do ok but also might be another Taylor Hicks.

Adam is good but once Clive Davis gets ahold of him they will make him do the horrible pop songs and he wont do much.

It really should have been Allison and Adam for the final 2 they were the best I thought if you consider all their performances.

Allison could go Rock or Country she has that raspy voice kinda like Tanya Tucker and Brenda Lee.

I bet she does the best after Idol.

Zabasearch the site that predicts Idol results changed their prediction of who is gonna get voted off tonight so we will have to see if they are right.

http://www.zabasearch.com/ai_stats.php

Thats the link if you wanna see who they think is staying and going home.

I think tonight's results may be a shocker.

Honestly Mike, I don't know what could happen tonight that I would consider a shocker.....on second thought, the only shocker, for me, would be if Adam got sent home.....it would be weird if Danny goes, but I felt that way about Allison.

Honestly Mike, I don't know what could happen tonight that I would consider a shocker.....on second thought, the only shocker, for me, would be if Adam got sent home.....it would be weird if Danny goes, but I felt that way about Allison.

Yea, Adam going home was what I was referring to as the potential shocker. I have a feeling that the votes Kris (just realized he spelled his name all wacky and hip) swiped with his acoustic performance were from Adam, not Danny. We'll see...

Isn't the human race a mystery?

A virtually unknown person sings on national TV and is immortalized with a parade and thousands of screaming fans.

A cop gets shot bringing down a criminal or a fireman gets hurt putting out a blaze, and no one even makes a phone call.

I'm not sayin' it's right or wrong...just mystifying.:confused:

Wowzers! Kris makes the final. Danny goes home. Who would've thunk it.

Wowzers! Kris makes the final. Danny goes home. Who would've thunk it.

Yup, the teeny-boppers struck again....

I thought Kris would be going home, just because I think Danny's better. Then again, I'm a 58 year old from another planet!

Now if my band was auditioning singers and all three showed up, I'd hire Adam in a second. If he doesn't win next week, I will be truly surprised.

Now if my band was auditioning singers and all three showed up, I'd hire Adam in a second. If he doesn't win next week, I will be truly surprised.

Good point ...and I agree.

Kris can make AI more $$ than Adam and is much more marketable and more of an American Idol.

I'm almost sure Adam will win but Id like to see Kris get the win he is a true humble guy from a small town.

Sure wish the final would have been Allison and Kris.

I'm expecting Adam to go on to true Showtunes super stardom. Either Broadway or Vegas. Kind of the Liberace of Tenors.

YMMV!

I'm expecting Adam to go on to true Showtunes super stardom. Either Broadway or Vegas. Kind of the Liberace of Tenors.

YMMV!

Liberace without a piano LOL

Wowzers! Kris makes the final. Danny goes home. Who would've thunk it.

The 20,000 people that showed up for Kris's appearance here in Conway that have 570X in their address books and text the entire 2 hours after the show. That's who....:lol:

Wonder how many of Danny Gokey's former voters will throw their support to Kris? He could win this thing.

The consensus in Conway (and the rest of the State) is Kris is in a "no lose" situation. If he wins, small town boy makes big. If 2nd, he has a good steady paycheck for a while with the tour and will then have artistic freedom and the clout to record whatever he wants.

It's a good position for him to be in no matter what!

The 20,000 people that showed up for Kris's appearance here in Conway that have 570X in their address books and text the entire 2 hours after the show. That's who....:lol:

You guys must have had a kiddie boom the past decade :mrgreen: It's good to know that at least the voting process is working. I enjoy listening to his style, although I really doubt he will win over Adam with his screaming and poseur style.

If 2nd ...will then have artistic freedom and the clout to record whatever he wants.




This kind of thing has been mentioned before.
Are we 100% certain of that?
I'd like to see a copy of the release.
I got a feeling that win-or-lose they are "owned" ... that the producers of the show have right of first refusal.

Despite the fact that his vocal ability is less impressive than Adam's, Kris is an artist, while, IMHO, Adam is an act.
Regardless of who wins, I'm pretty sure the world will grow tired of Adam's screaming pretty quickly.
Adam has, throughout the competition, consistently taken good songs & performed them in a manner that I'd call controversial.
Kris, on the other hand, has taken both a disco song & a Kanye West song & transformed both into something that did not suck...No minor feat in my book.

This kind of thing has been mentioned before.
Are we 100% certain of that?
I'd like to see a copy of the release.
I got a feeling that win-or-lose they are "owned" ... that the producers of the show have right of first refusal.

Of course there is some obligation for the Top 10.......but, not the same as the winner.

The only reason I say this is Kris's music directors at his church are in direct communications with him on a regular basis and we are close friends of them. I am pretty confident their information is accurate. Time will tell. Regardless, he's in an enviable position. :smile:

Now if my band was auditioning singers and all three showed up, I'd hire Adam in a second. If he doesn't win next week, I will be truly surprised.

I'd rather have Danny in my band. Adam is just not my cup of tea.

I'd rather have Danny in my band. Adam is just not my cup of tea.

I think Danny had the best voice of the three, though I'm not 15 years old like a large portion of the voters for that show. He appealed to an older audience so I'm not surprised he is out. But, for the life of me, I can't figure Adam's appeal out. Maybe the younger audience is listening to this sort of stuff? I find him to be terrible. Every song, which the judges say he made his own, is exactly the same. Start out calm, then stick out your tongue and SHREEK loudly for the rest of the song. Why is that good? To me he sounds like Axl Rose. Kris can/will appeal to a much broader audience.

Wayne

Of course there is some obligation for the Top 10.......but, not the same as the winner.

The only reason I say this is Kris's music directors at his church are in direct communications with him on a regular basis and we are close friends of them. I am pretty confident their information is accurate. Time will tell. Regardless, he's in an enviable position. :smile:
Umm... I don't think Kris' church music directors saw this:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1598210/20081030/index.jhtml

In a nutshell, you get booted off AI in Hollywood week, don't make the final 24. A few months later you sign with a major label. Ten months later you put out an EP, and THEN the AI producers send a cease and desist letter so you don't release your album before the next season starts. :sad:

but a strict contract all "Idol" contestants must sign that makes them promise to record only with the "Idol"-preferred label, Sony/BMG, and gives show producer Simon Fuller's 19 Entertainment exclusive rights of refusal for management and merchandising.

Ouch. The guy didn't even make it anywhere near the top 10. Kris (assuming he doesn't win next week) and Allison may be surprised when they try to do their own thing and get C&Ds from AI lawyers.

...I can't figure Adam's appeal out. Maybe the younger audience is listening to this sort of stuff? I find him to be terrible. Every song, which the judges say he made his own, is exactly the same. Start out calm, then stick out your tongue and SHREEK loudly for the rest of the song. Why is that good?
Wayne
I don't watch, but I've flipped past a few times, and I stayed tuned last night for some odd reason.

As soon as I saw Adam, I figured he'd win. AI isn't about the music. It's about the IDOL. The guy's got the look. Even that girl singer celeb last night (no idea who she is) had his name on her cape (cape?).

Surprised to see how few folks turned out when he went home. I noticed many camera angles chosen to make the crowds look bigger (few long shots, low angles, etc...) Maybe San Diego is already jaded to the American Idolization of our culture.

I don't watch, but I've flipped past a few times, and I stayed tuned last night for some odd reason.

As soon as I saw Adam, I figured he'd win. AI isn't about the music. It's about the IDOL. The guy's got the look. Even that girl singer celeb last night (no idea who she is) had his name on her cape (cape?).

Surprised to see how few folks turned out when he went home. I noticed many camera angles chosen to make the crowds look bigger (few long shots, low angles, etc...) Maybe San Diego is already jaded to the American Idolization of our culture.

I think it was in poor taste to have a contestant's name on the cape. Yeah, it was a cape. Probably right about the image thing. Maybe that is what pushes him? I still don't get it.

Wayne

I think it was in poor taste to have a contestant's name on the cape. Yeah, it was a cape.
Wayne

Agreed. I'm very surprised that they would allow such a thing in a popularity contest like AI. Talk about loading the deck. If she has a fan base, won't this kind of skew things. If I was those other dudes, I'd be calling my lawyer this morning and demanding that Alicia Keys release a shot of herself in lingerie with my name tattooed on her... whatever.

In a nutshell, you get booted off AI in Hollywood week, don't make the final 24. A few months later you sign with a major label. Ten months later you put out an EP, and THEN the AI producers send a cease and desist letter so you don't release your album before the next season starts. :sad:

We were referring to artistic freedom (see post 414) - recording what you want and not what you are told - not merchandising, as referenced in that article. I'm sure that AI gets right of first refusal for some time period, but if they refuse........

Despite the fact that his vocal ability is less impressive than Adam's, Kris is an artist, while, IMHO, Adam is an act.
Regardless of who wins, I'm pretty sure the world will grow tired of Adam's screaming pretty quickly.
Adam has, throughout the competition, consistently taken good songs & performed them in a manner that I'd call controversial.
Kris, on the other hand, has taken both a disco song & a Kanye West song & transformed both into something that did not suck...No minor feat in my book.

Agree 10000000%

AI says they search America every year for the best undiscovered singing talent.

If the people vote according to what AI advertises then Kris should win cause as far as I can tell he is a completly undiscovered talent that might have played in church or a few local clubs but isnt considered a pro thats already had professional stage experience like Adam.

Hopefully everyone will vote for Kris and upset Simons fav Adam that to me would be the funniest and greatest thing thats ever happened on TV.

The main thing I like about Kris is zero ego and Adam is all ego.

I'm ambivalent(sp?) about the results next week.

I think Adam is much more marketable than Kris as far as Idol is concerned yes. Kris is an artist, Adam is an act...I agree with that too. Sick of Adam's screaming..yup.

I think Adam is talented(and will probably win), but seems to me to be a rather respectful, nice guy. He doesn't strike me as a big ego, yet. Although he's a bit effeminate(sp?) for my taste, but he's purty.:grin: I think the teens will be gaga over his album and he'll make them a ton of dough.

I think Danny was glad the suspense is over for him. I think he'll do fine on his own. Maybe not superstar status but he'll be able to make a living singing.

JMHO

I got a feeling that win-or-lose they are "owned" ... that the producers of the show have right of first refusal.



"... contract all "Idol" contestants must sign that makes them promise to record only with the "Idol"-preferred label, Sony/BMG, and gives show producer Simon Fuller's 19 Entertainment exclusive rights of refusal for management and merchandising."



I hate to say 'I told you so.' :wink:

But I'm not often right :wink: so ya gotta give me this one.

AI says they search America every year for the best undiscovered singing talent.

If the people vote according to what AI advertises then Kris should win cause as far as I can tell he is a completly undiscovered talent that might have played in church or a few local clubs but isnt considered a pro thats already had professional stage experience like Adam.

Hopefully everyone will vote for Kris and upset Simons fav Adam that to me would be the funniest and greatest thing thats ever happened on TV.

The main thing I like about Kris is zero ego and Adam is all ego.

Thanks for writing this , Mark! Well put.....

Too, Kris is not the typical Arkansan normally portrayed on TV - having all of his teeth and a minimal accent.

I hope you are correct and zabaSearch is wrong!

Regardless of the final result, I think Kris Allen will have a solid music career.

The story on this young talent is very sad indeed. Greed is sometimes not so good.

I think Adam is talented(and will probably win), but seems to me to be a rather respectful, nice guy. He doesn't strike me as a big ego, yet.

Yup, I disagree with the notion that he's got a huge ego. His performing persona is all about the ego (I predict he will be MUCH bigger in live theater than he will in music sales), but as soon as he stops singing he switches over to a very humble, nice guy. He always thanks the band, he said on stage that he hoped Allison would make it another week, etc. I think if he (or any of the other contestants) had a huge ego there would be reports of fighting and stuff amongst the contestants, and I haven't heard of any of that.

That said, I really dislike Adam's singing style. But effeminate (and androgynous) singers who can hit those really high notes have often been very successful in rock music. It may be an act, but it often is. It's entertainment.

round 1 and 2 done from where I sit and Adam is the clear leader ...mad world was a fantastic rendition and Sam Cooke's
a change is gonna come was ticket buying worthy...this fella can sing ...:shock:

round 3 comin up

Poor Kris. He did not enjoy singing that third song. He had trouble with that key - not quite the easier r&b style that he's been doing. He got pulled out of the pentatonic for that one.

Did any of you actually pay attention to the lyrics of that 3rd song?? I don't know how they were able to keep a straight face. But hey, that's why they're finalists on A.I. and I'm not.

I like Kris more, but I think Adam will win. Adam's high notes, while good, are overused imho. It's like the guitarist who always solos with fast licks on the higher frets too much.

I like Kris more, but I think Adam will win. Adam's high notes, while good, are overused imho. It's like the guitarist who always solos with fast licks on the higher frets too much.

If you only got to sing one song every week, would you highlight what makes you stand out, or would you save it for another time? If he did on every song on an album, or every song in concert, it would not enjoy it. But I like it once a week.

Did any of you actually pay attention to the lyrics of that 3rd song?? I don't know how they were able to keep a straight face. But hey, that's why they're finalists on A.I. and I'm not.

That last song was co written by the new judge Kara it was just horrible LOL

Tonight's result may be a function of Danny Gokey's former voters and who they pick now.

We'll see tonight...........

Tonight's result may be a function of Danny Gokey's former voters and who they pick now.

We'll see tonight...........

Agreed. Our family vote went for Kris. In the end, we agreed that we'd purchase a CD by him, but not Adam.

Adam has the better voice, but Kris is the better singer.

I like Kris more, but I think Adam will win. Adam's high notes, while good, are overused imho. It's like the guitarist who always solos with fast licks on the higher frets too much.

He's a one trick pony. I'm not impressed. The high pitched horror screams get old VERY QUICKLY. He is theatrical and should find himself a nice career on Broadway. I don't get his mainstream appeal at all.

Did any of you actually pay attention to the lyrics of that 3rd song?? I don't know how they were able to keep a straight face. But hey, that's why they're finalists on A.I. and I'm not.

Stupid song. The Idol songs each year are very dumb. I think they are supposed to be about triumph and shooting for the stars, stuff like that. Awful lyrics and usually really bad music as well. And, one of them will have to release that song when they win.

Wayne

Call it sour grapes, but when Allison left, then Danny, I don't really care who wins....

http://www.sallyminker.com/art/2-d/images/grapes-print.jpg

I'm in agreement Joe but since we've come this far ..what's your prediction?
I'd have to say Adam wins by a mile...

OK, I'll play (especially since I started this thread).....

And the winner is........Kris.......I think the public has grown tired of Mr. Screech already and the Danny vote will go mainly to Kris...

OK, I'll play (especially since I started this thread).....

And the winner is........Kris.......I think the public has grown tired of Mr. Screech already and the Danny vote will go mainly to Kris...

As much as I want this to be true, Zabasearch doesn't think so (http://www.zabasearch.com/ai_stats.php). :cry:

Keeping the faith until announced though !

Well, I'll be damned! Kris!

WOW !

So much for Zabasearch.....

Best AI finale yet. I thought Adam fit in with KISS perfectly. Glad Kris won, and I agree, people are over the high notes. I loved that Kara and Bikini girl bit. Hilarious.

Did anybody think what I thought when I saw Adam singing with Queen...like maybe their new lead singer?

I was kinda surprised that Kris won, but not nearly as surprised as Kris was.

Did anybody think what I thought when I saw Adam singing with Queen...like maybe their new lead singer?


I noticed that Brian May seemed to really latch on to Adam, especially right after the song was done. Gave kind of a cursory acknowledgement to Kris and appeared to really like Adam....he would be a perfect replacement for Freddy, as long as he could survive with guys old enough to be his father.

The news here announced that there were 38 million texts from Arkansas alone.

That's more than all the votes counted from dead voters in Arkansas' history! :razz::razz:

The news here announced that there were 38 million texts from Arkansas alone.

That's more than all the votes counted from dead voters in Arkansas' history! :razz::razz:

:lol:

US Census Bureau states Arkansas population at 2,855,390 Thats a lot of votin' goin' on!

I can't believe a musician would not only watch but discuss this show. phooey.

I'm with you Brother! I'd rather watch the off ramp of the freeway.

Wow! That was quite shocking. Bravo Kris!

That was a shocker!!!

Kris even said are you kiddin? hahahah

Adam was really good with Kiss and Queen.

Maybe he will hook up with Queen and replace Paul Rogers if he s still their lead singer.

Allison was enjoyable with Lauper and of course Norman was funny.

Bikini girl was funny too.

Good show!

So much for Zabasearch.....

Ya they really blew it with whatever method they use hahahah made it even better of surprise.

Simon was so pissed Adam didnt win that was funny!!!

Do you think Adam was glad he didn't win? Now he doesn't have to record that awful song.

The thing that shocked me was Kara Flashing her bikini-ed self. I ventured to say she had a tighter body than Bikini girl with her little baby fat in the front! She also sang way better than I thought she could. Of course she did it to show up that girl which was a little mean spirited, holding a grudge that long!

Tonight's result may be a function of Danny Gokey's former voters and who they pick now.

We'll see tonight...........

I totally agree this is what may have happened. I wanted Kris but thought Adam would win decisively.

Anyway, I was shocked.

After the announcement, Simon seemed angry as did Ryan. Kara and Randy were blank, but Paula genuinely seemed happy for Kris. Paula has such a good heart and sees the good in all the contestants. She knows how hard the business is and is the only person there who has been a pop star.

Bottom line--it was a good show, once they got past Queen Latifah and the Black Eyed Peas.

Cindy Lauper, Queen, Kiss, Keith Urban, Carlos and the Dean Martin of my generation, Rod Stewart. Even the Steve Martin song was pretty cool. They really pulled out all the stops and did the ultimate variety show.

I bet ya that Adam sells a lot more records than the winner--unless Kris heads toward the country/pop market. That is his big chance, I think.

Hey--it was fun. Brain candy, but entertaining.

Adam was so good with Kiss and Queen some rock band will try to get him as their new lead singer I bet he would do better that way than if he had to do those horrible AI pop songs Clive Davis makes em do.

Im still laughing that it all backfired on Simon.

Yea, the Steve Martin song was cool. I love how Steve just loves to play banjo every opportunity he gets, and he's pretty darn good too!

I think Adam will do fine for himself. Rock or theater, he'll do good. He's got the voice and the range. I think Kris will also do great, provided he can retain his humanity among all the Idol BS. That is really his strongest card, since I think he is limited in his skill compared to some of the other contestants.

But certain songs, like the Kara song he ended with, will destroy him. The same crap that has destroyed all of the male winners to date. I get the feeling that by the time he is able to do his own thing, it will be too late. I hope that I'm wrong. But no way in hell that I would buy an album of songs like "There Are No Boundaries" or whatever that last song was.

I think Danny and Allison will do fine too. Not sure what Danny will do, but he's got talent.

Will be interesting to see if anything comes of any of them...

I voted for Kris because I grew tired of Adam's one-trick-pony act, but felt guilty about that vote.

In the end, both singers are very talented and will have commercial success.

I'm declaring malarkey on the 38 million votes cast from Arkansas.

The news here announced that there were 38 million texts from Arkansas alone.

That's more than all the votes counted from dead voters in Arkansas' history! :razz::razz:


Yes, but but not more dead voters than Illinois!

Adam just has the manufactured look like he's been in an AI training camp, groomed for that moment.

I missed the first hour of the TWO HOUR SHOW. :roll:Oh well...

I wasn't really surprised with the outcome, being I never really believed the votes counted towards the actual winners anyway. We'll see who is still popular 2 years from now...I say neither.:neutral:

Lots of geritol on stage. Kiss, Rod Stewart, Santana...I thought the 70's time machine was silly for an audience of tweens. Maybe they couldn't afford the Jonas or Miley $$$ machines.

When the dust settles, I still say the purple-haired girl will be the real idol winner.

I noticed that Brian May seemed to really latch on to Adam, especially right after the song was done. Gave kind of a cursory acknowledgement to Kris and appeared to really like Adam....he would be a perfect replacement for Freddy, as long as he could survive with guys old enough to be his father.

Ditto = almost like he was giving Adam more props v/s Kris..

Kris and Keith Urban ... not too bad ... glad he won

In my opinion, the true musician won. Kris can play guitar and piano and sing. All I ever saw Adam so was sing. Of course, I only watched the show for a few weeks, so he may have played an instrument and I just didn't catch it. Anyhow, bravo Kris!

In my opinion, the true musician won. Kris can play guitar and piano and sing. All I ever saw Adam so was sing. Of course, I only watched the show for a few weeks, so he may have played an instrument and I just didn't catch it. Anyhow, bravo Kris!

As Simon Cowell keeps saying, it's a singing competition, not a musician competition, so I'm not sure why it's a knock against Adam that he didn't play an instrument.

I figured Kris would win, only because he's more "white bread" America than Adam...and I'm sure Adam's sexuality cost him votes too...its bound to happen whether correct or not.

Either way...they are both winners and it'll be fun to see what they do. And any show that gets Brian May to perform is okay with me!

In the end, America's teenage girls voted for the straight guy. I don't find that surprising at all.

I figured Kris would win, only because he's more "white bread" America than Adam...and I'm sure Adam's sexuality cost him votes too...its bound to happen whether correct or not.

Either way...they are both winners and it'll be fun to see what they do. And any show that gets Brian May to perform is okay with me!

....or more real people ( as opposed to fake media talking heads) felt that every time he opened his mouth to sing it was like getting stabbed in the temple with a rusty pitchfork.

Adam will do well as a lead singer for a group.

Kris will do fine as a solo act. I'd much rather listen to Kris than Adam.

Dep

I really dont think most of the people who watch AI knew Adam had so much stage experience before he started on the show.

When he said Ive been doing this since I was 10 then they all knew why his stage presence was so good and he appeared more professional than the others cause he WAS a professional.

I dont think his sexual preference had anything to do with the voting I just think people thoght it was fixed and if they really knew Adam had already been produced by Randy Jackson on a remix of We are the Champions by Queen Adam probably really shouldnt have been allowed to compete because of that.

So if the final had come down to Allison and Adam do you think Allison would have got all of Kris and Dannys votes and won or do you think the teenage gals voted for Kris cause he is cute and approchable.

Anyway seeing Kris win and Simon so mad was one of the best times I had watching AI that was so funny no one thought Kris was gonna win even himself.

Adam should not even do an album or tour, but go straight to Vegas and do a variety show, he could do that for many years and many $$$. Doesn't matter if he won or not.

http://votefortheworst.com/files/u29420/adamnoboundaries.jpg

They were so sure Adam was gonna win they already had this allmade up hahahahah

What seemed odd to me was how all the production last night was focused on Adam. Kris gets up to sing and it is a single camera angle.

Adam gets up, and it is fire, explosions, smoke and all sorts of craziness. I honestly think that the production team ended up being as surprised as the rest of us. It certainly seemed to me that they had slanted the show in the direction of who they figured was the winner.

For the record, I tried to envision which of the two guys I would rather listen to for a few hour drive in the car. That made it more cut and dry in my mind. That screechy, over the top, yet same exact pitch he tried to force into every song grew very tiresome for me. Apparently, others felt the same.

syf

What seemed odd to me was how all the production last night was focused on Adam.

I have to admit - I'm an AI newbie. Last night was only the second time I've watched the show, and I agree a million percent with stealyerface's quote above. From the second I started watching a week ago, it was miserably obvious that the producers and judges were pimping for Adam - virtually every trick they could come up with screamed that he must be the winner. I think what we saw last night was one of the great backlash responses in audience participation in modern times - the voters basically told the judges, the producers, and the pundits to "Stick it!"

In all, it turned out to be high entertainment drama.

Dean

I have to admit - I'm an AI newbie. Last night was only the second time I've watched the show, and I agree a million percent with stealyerface's quote above. From the second I started watching a week ago, it was miserably obvious that the producers and judges were pimping for Adam - virtually every trick they could come up with screamed that he must be the winner. I think what we saw last night was one of the great backlash responses in audience participation in modern times - the voters basically told the judges, the producers, and the pundits to "Stick it!"

In all, it turned out to be high entertainment drama.

Dean

Ya a couple weeks ago some guest performers wore capes that said Adam.

So that to me was the best thing that ever happened on these fake reality shows they pushed way too hard for Adam to win and it totally backfired.

And so this thread sails off into the sunset.....thanks, it's been fun.....

And so this thread sails off into the sunset.....thanks, it's been fun.....

So, is anyone watching So You Think You Can Dance tonight?

thank you Joe ...glad you stuck around till the bitter end..

One last thing to say just saw Kris Allen after his win on Leno.

Kris is a class act. Still no ego he said he still thinks Adam should have won.

I really like this young mans attitude.

Hard to say how far he will go in the music biz but at least for now his head is in the right place.

One last thing to say just saw Kris Allen after his win on Leno.

Kris is a class act. Still no ego he said he still thinks Adam should have won.

I really like this young mans attitude.

Hard to say how far he will go in the music biz but at least for now his head is in the right place.

+1

I have to say, I liked Adam singing with Queen. He's the best replacement I've heard for Freddy Mercury.

Crystal ball predictions for next season:


Simon will hold out for more $$$. After they cave and give him $1 million an episode, he will return about half way through the show.

No more Paula. Kara will take over as the lone female judge. She will then deny reports that she is only on the show because she slept with Simon.

Simon and Paula get married in a secret ceremony.

Randy J. hosts his own FOX show called "The Biggest Dawg". The show will flop, mainly because Simon will become envious and threaten to leave AI.

Seacrest will reveal a secret. I think we all know what that is already.

Simon and Paula will get divorced. Luckily, Paula refused a pre-nup so she now is richer than every human being on the planet combined.

Simon becomes distressed over the divorce and makes the contestants sing only Paula Abdul songs for 3 weeks straight.

Paula returns to the show after Kara's "mysterious dissappearance".

The 3 original judges star in their own sitcom called "Three's a Crowd". The show is about 2 regular people living with 1 misfit.

Seacrest will reveal a secret. I think we all know what that is already.

I have no idea. What am I missing? Is he secretly a Wal-Mart greeter? An FBI agent? A member of the hair club for men? What?

I have no idea. What am I missing? Is he secretly a Wal-Mart greeter? An FBI agent? A member of the hair club for men? What?



You really don't know?


I'm sure if you Google, it will come up.


Hint: He plays for the other team.

I have no idea. What am I missing? Is he secretly a Wal-Mart greeter? An FBI agent? A member of the hair club for men? What?

That he is really not as tall as 5'8" as some fansites claim. ;)

did anybody think what i thought when i saw adam singing with queen...like maybe their new lead singer?

I was kinda surprised that kris won, but not nearly as surprised as kris was.

+100
perfect fit!!

Seacrest will reveal a secret. I think we all know what that is already.



Hint:[/COLOR] He plays for the other team.

Oh good lord, you guys. What is so hard about saying that you think he's gay? Why do you have to couch it in juvenile double-talk? And why is it so funny or weird that he might be gay? :rolleyes:

Well Adam wont be in Kiss here is what Gene Simons said when questioned about this.

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Gene..
You rocked tonight on American Idol. Like always. U R a rock god!!!!!
If you cant can you hook Adam Lambert up with someone to get him started on the way to be another rock god like you.
My opinion is: Adam should of won American idol hands down. He is amazing. I have bought everything there is to buy of him on I tunes and I voted hundreds of times for him on Tuesday nights. actually sat here and voted and voted for hours for him.
Hope you actually get this and can send Adam somewhere he can start his rock n roll career .
Take care and big ass hugs to you, Jodie

Response from Gene:

Respectfully,
I don't think Adam is a rock singer. He sounds much more convincing singing ballads, and Broadway shows. His voice doesn't seem to have a "rock quality." But, I'm sure he's going to do just fine.

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And here is what Clay Akin said about the show.

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"The show was different then, and folks made it in seasons 1-3 because they were "real" people who happened to sing/entertain well. But, somewhere along the way, AI stopped being about real people.In a battle between David and Goliath, my money is on David!

I think many voters got sick of being "told who to vote for". I think many were turned off by the blatant favoritism shown towards one contestant. Therefore, on that last night, they used their votes against a contestant that they were tired of hearing about and for the contestant who had been written off. And, at the same time, I think they voted AGAINST an American Idol that has, for four years now, been more about the slick productions and polished contestants than it has been about finding the raw talent that it did in its first three seasons."

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And here is what Clay Akin said about the show.

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"The show was different then, and folks made it in seasons 1-3 because they were "real" people who happened to sing/entertain well. But, somewhere along the way, AI stopped being about real people.In a battle between David and Goliath, my money is on David!

I think many voters got sick of being "told who to vote for". I think many were turned off by the blatant favoritism shown towards one contestant. Therefore, on that last night, they used their votes against a contestant that they were tired of hearing about and for the contestant who had been written off. And, at the same time, I think they voted AGAINST an American Idol that has, for four years now, been more about the slick productions and polished contestants than it has been about finding the raw talent that it did in its first three seasons."

This hits the nail right on the head. AI to me is just like another huge record company now. Some other show will have to go out there and find truly undiscovered talent.

according to the papers over here,next year America will be watching 'The X Factor' instead of Idol. Brought to you of course by Lord Simon Of Cowell.:twisted::twisted::twisted:

Oh good lord, you guys. What is so hard about saying that you think he's gay? Why do you have to couch it in juvenile double-talk? And why is it so funny or weird that he might be gay? :rolleyes:

OK. What do you think about the pics here? He's gay and that's it!

http://americanidol8.net/american-idol-news/adam-lambert-kissing-another-dude/

OK. What do you think about the pics here? He's gay and that's it!

http://americanidol8.net/american-idol-news/adam-lambert-kissing-another-dude/

Yeah. He's gay. So what?

OK. What do you think about the pics here? He's gay and that's it!

http://americanidol8.net/american-idol-news/adam-lambert-kissing-another-dude/

They were talking about Seacrest.

I happen to think Seacrest is an asexual cyborg.

Just trying to put and end to the guys whispering "I think he's gay." It has no reflection on his abilities or anything else for that matter. I do agree with the quote from Gene Simmons. I do think he is better suited for Broadway with his voice, but he could be great at it.