July 11th, 2008, 11:05 AM
First I just want to make sure I'm reading this right.
The code on the speakers in my 1979 Silverface Fender Twin Reverb (the ultralinear 135w flavor) is F1098 936. So, using the info on Weber's site, these are Pyle speakers. Pyle (?). So the questions are:
1) Am I reading that right?
2) Are they regarded as: Great, Good, Ok, or Crap?
3) I'm seriously thinking of swapping them out for the Weber California's. Is it possible that 29 year old Pyle speakers are going to sound better than brand new Weber's, or should I drop what I'm doing and run, don't walk, over to Ted's website and order new speakers.
Thoughts and opinions appreciated. My only previous experience with Pyle speakers was in, of all things, my GK 250ML. They had to be replaced because the foam surrounds went bad.
July 11th, 2008, 11:13 AM
can't help you on the Pyle speakers, but as concerns the Webers: everyone turns immediately to the California for sftrs, presumably because they are 100 watts and/or one is looking for that JBL sound. I consulted Ted Weber about speakers that would work in both my SFTR and my 65ri twin, and he recommended the vintage series 12f50 and 12f50b. I just popped them in this week and they sound great in both twins. I was concerned about the 50watt rating and asked Ted directly about this, but he assured me they could handle it. Just a thought before you decided automatically on the Calis if you go with Weber.
July 11th, 2008, 11:19 AM
I have a 135w Twin and I'm thinking about going with the lightweight Jensen neos. I've heard them and the sound very nice--and I'm thinking the weight savings might make the Twin into a more usable amp.
July 11th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Thanks guys. dbmck: I'll look into those Vintage Series.
Hucklebilly: I know what you mean. This amp is a back breaker!
July 11th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Weber and EMinence both sell neo magnet speakers now. FWIW, I prefer WEber's Michigan series to the Cali's. The Michigans are TEd's take on EV's. I personally like the Cali's with paper dust covers vs. the metal if you do go with Cali's, which are TEd's take on the JBL.
The weight savings for the Neo's vs the ceramic or alnico magnet speakers will be somewhere in the area of 17 poiunds....maybe more.
July 11th, 2008, 02:34 PM
17 Pounds lighter! Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
Actually, I put the chasis in a dual showman head and carry two heavy pieces instead of one debilitating one.
July 11th, 2008, 02:45 PM
How do they (the Pyles) sound? If you like 'em that's all that matters.:mrgreen:
July 11th, 2008, 03:09 PM
If you're asking if Pyles are good, bad, or OK - you should trust your own ears first.
After this, think about what you'd like to "improve" in sound, then your speaker hunt will be much easier to accomplish armed with that info.
If this is only about weight - Jensen Neo12-100's are great American style speakers. I also like the Eminence Tonkerlite (Brit style, very V30 sounding), but haven't tried any of their other neo speakers. Both of these neodymium's I own are very lightweight and sound great.
July 11th, 2008, 03:45 PM
To my ears...the Pyle is not a bad speaker. I had a '63 6G2 once that had a replacement Pyle in it. IT ripped! Great sounds. Derek Trucks uses them in his SR. AS Johnny CRash notes, let your ears do the hearing...
July 12th, 2008, 02:00 AM
Thanks all for the input.
Well, I cleaned every square inch of the the amp with a Q-Tip (actually a lot of Q-tips). Fresh tubes. Vibration dampers on the input gain tubes. The works. And once the amp gets LOUD the speaker on the left still makes this odd buzz. (Kind of funny actually, on one side of the room my wife literally has her fingers in her ears, yelling "Doesn't that hurt your ears? It hurts my ears" while I have my ears about 8 inches from the speaker hitting a G on the low E string. It's that note that makes the speaker do it's buzz thing).
So, I've decided to pull 'em. I've looked at Jensens and Eminence et al. But the price point isn't that much different that the Webers, and the one Weber I have (a Sig series in my AD30VT) sounds phenomenal, so I'm inclined to go with the Weber.
I play country (duh, Telecaster forum and play country? Really?), Blues (mostly Chicago, some Delta, some Texas) as well as some Rock (mostly classic, whatever that means now a days) and some, for want of a better term, Jamgasmictonalgroovistic. That is to say, being a Dead fan, I go where the music takes me.
So, naturally, I'm leaning toward the California series. But I'm also curious about the Chicago series.
July 13th, 2008, 01:03 PM
I'd try the Eminence Swamp Thang. It's like a cross between a C12N and a D120F. Great speaker...
July 13th, 2008, 01:12 PM
I have a Pyle Driver 12" and it's one of my favorite speakers.
(apparently Derek Trucks likes 'em as well!)
I can also give a thumbs-up for the Weber California, although
I've read some very good reports on the Jensen Neo series,
and they are supposed to be quite lightweight.
anyway for that kind of wattage you'd want a heavy-duty
EV or JBL-type speaker although both types are pretty
gol-durned heavy - and a pair of 'em.. woof!