Marty playing Clarence White's old Tele (youtube)

Clarence White forum member 'bossaroo' was nice enough to post this at the CW forum...here's a link.

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Country done the right way. Nuff said.

whew! that is everything I like right there!

Kenny Vaughan is the best partner for Marty's playing.

The only thing more notorious than Marty's playing is his hair!

Marty's tone seems like pure Clarence there. Is he using any pedals or is at all Tele and Fender Twins? Anyone know?

Man, thats the real deal! I actually played that guitar a few times when Clarence had it. Lots of memories seeing Marty fly on it. He's a class act..
Man, these boys were smoking. Love it!!!!!
JB
www.johnbeland.com

Yessirree, that wuz killer diller !

Thanx Bro'

Marty's tone seems like pure Clarence there. Is he using any pedals or is at all Tele and Fender Twins? Anyone know?

Great stuff! The only thing Marty uses these days is a Demeter Tremolo, Morley Volume pedal and an Ibanez TS-9 for boosts. That there was Clarence's tele plugged into the two silverface Twins!

Great stuff!

Johnny Isaacs

What a great way to start off the day...
I'll take two Tele's with my coffee, please!

Thanks for the post!

Great stuff! The only thing Marty uses these days is a Demeter Tremolo, Morley Volume pedal and an Ibanez TS-9 for boosts. That there was Clarence's tele plugged into the two silverface Twins!

Great stuff!

Johnny Isaacs

Less is more, right?
Glad Clarence's Tele is in the hands of a good person, keeping that style
of music alive!

Oh that was so cool!! Thanks so much for posting this, it gave me a big old grin!

And thats how its done..........Any questions?

Cheers for posting that mate.....


have a beer on me

gawd darm Kenny is cool

Great stuff! The only thing Marty uses these days is a Demeter Tremolo, Morley Volume pedal and an Ibanez TS-9 for boosts. That there was Clarence's tele plugged into the two silverface Twins!

Great stuff!

Johnny Isaacs


Ah.... you might find only one of the silvertwins is running hence only one mike, the other one is no doubt a spare in case the first malfunctions in any way... common practice i think

Scotty

Ah.... you might find only one of the silvertwins is running hence only one mike, the other one is no doubt a spare in case the first malfunctions in any way... common practice i think

Scotty

Good observation about one mic, but they may have done that for TV.
I bet he plays with both amps for a fuller live sound.
The new POD X3L has several amp models that does this, its pretty cool sounding.
Can anyone else comment on this ( people who run two amps at once?)

You only need to mic one amp for the mix into the PA. He have been using both though...but it's impossible to know just from this video.

..............

Give him time...I give him an A for effort and the Mudcrutch CD has a very cool vibe missing from alot of modern music.

What a great sound!
An outstanding guitar in truly gifted hands.

Good observation about one mic, but they may have done that for TV.
I bet he plays with both amps for a fuller live sound.
The new POD X3L has several amp models that does this, its pretty cool sounding.
Can anyone else comment on this ( people who run two amps at once?)

Really.... He's not running both at the same time.... one is a spare, the only reason you'd run 2 amps at once is if you're using them for different sounds (line split)... I.E. Driven/clean, your using a stereo rig or you have a line splitter for different guitars.

Trust me I'm a doctor....

:mrgreen:

Scotty

This is really cool on a couple of different levels...

First..it's a fun song to listen to and to watch. These guys are clearly having a great time and playing great music. Second, it's great to hear Clarence's guitar being played and to hear THAT tone being played with the right bender licks. Third...it's fun to break down and analyze and learn Marty's licks with the Amazing Slow Downer and then realize they are the same licks that we've heard before and know how to play...just that they are being executed really well in a band / song context. Fourth, Marty's playing not only whole note bends, but seeing Clarence's long throw in action makes you realize that it was / is just as easy to play half note bends for bluesy bender riffs.. This harder with a short throw BTW.

On another level...one always wonders what if? What if Clarence were still alive? For one thing this video of Marty playing 'Clarence' wouldn't exist... Then again would it be Clarence playing this? I don't think so... If I recall...Johnny Issacs sent me a YouTube link of Marty playing this tune at a different gig and if I recall...it was basically identical... In other words Marty and band have played this song almost identically note for note night after nite...which explains why the band is so tight (besides obvious talent).

But would Clarence be playing something like this? I don't think so because what we know about Clarence was that he would never play the same thing twice... He was constantly re-inventing himself and his licks every time he played. There would a zillion version of the same song that would be equally cool but unique. I also don't imagine that Clarence would have a song segment where he would trade harmony and unision licks (by rote) such as Marty and Kenny Vaughn played...

That sort of regimented type showy stuff somehow doesn't fit with Clarence.. which then leads to .... Would he have fit in Nashville's strict formula of regimented playing country? hmm... What do you all think?

My thoughts on "what if Clarence was still alive" are this. While he WAS alive he was very much working in a regimented session scene in LA, playing on records by the Monkees & Everlys, as well as the loose sessions like the Byrds, Maria Maulder etc.

That said, Clarence was a stylist, and stylists for the most part are not welcomed in Nashville's session scene. Producers do not lean towards One Trick Ponies, regardless of how amazing & influencial these stylists are.

Case in point, my friend Ray Flake had an extremely difficult time getting session work ( on a steady basis) after he left Ricky Skaggs. Times were very hard for him for years after Skaggs. He was just to left field for Nashville producers. What a shame.

Also, James Burton's session success was do, inpart, to the fact he was a much more dicipined, versitile player than Clarence, who could adopt to movie soundtrack work, jingles, as well as hipper sessions like Emmylou and others. But even James was limited to what he could play on those dates. Although he was one of the top session guys of the 60's and 70's, James played a very submissive role as a session player and his work never reached the constant commercial exposer as a Brent Mason.

Knowing Clarence, as I did, I just couldn't see him walking inthe same shoes as Brent Mason. And Visa Versa too. Clarence would have certainly followed his own drummer. Session playing ( ona day to day basis) requires a certain creative but submissive mind set. If Brent is reading this he knows that what I am saying is true.

Thats not taking a thing away from Clarence. I just believe that he woudl have passed on session work to tour and play worldwide on his own.

I believe Clarence would have followed along the same path as Albert Lee and toured worldwide with a variety of bands. But I could never see him working within the strict boundries of today's Music Row record production. He just was not that kind of a player. However, Clarence was a genious player. The likes of which we may never see again.
JB
www.johbeland.com

Ok gang, I tried the PM route, but no joy.

What's the name of this song, please?
My thoughts from the lyrics:
"Countryboy Rock n Roll'
"I've been a rockin, I've been a rollin"
"Make a fool out of me."

Can anyone help me out here?

Many thanks in advance,

Ward

Its a Don Reno tune............bluegrass

Marty's tone seems like pure Clarence there. Is he using any pedals or is at all Tele and Fender Twins? Anyone know?


From Johnny's post below...it seems that Marty was using the Ibanez TS-9 for boosts.


Great stuff! The only thing Marty uses these days is a Demeter Tremolo, Morley Volume pedal and an Ibanez TS-9 for boosts. That there was Clarence's tele plugged into the two silverface Twins!

Great stuff!

Johnny Isaacs




This video was actually posted here a few days before Brian posted this thread, I think....I've already favorited the video on YouTube...just wish I knew of some way to download it to my 'puter to view whenever I want to....

SHAMELESS PLUG WARNING:

I get to see THAT guitar and THAT hair of Marty's up close and personal on July 17, 2008 when the band I'm in opens for him (two shows) at 2:00 p.m. & 8:00 p.m., baby) This particular gig is a DREAM COME TRUE!

July 17, 2008 can't get here fast enough for me!!

However, Clarence was a genious player. The likes of which we may never see again.
JB
www.johbeland.com
Hi John..Thanks for the thoughtful response!

I know there are people who are going to say he doesn't need it and I agree, but I think Marty has found his Don Rich!!!!

Its a Don Reno tune............bluegrass

Thank you, does anyone know the name of this Don Reno song?

Many thanks in advance

Ward

Its a Don Reno tune............bluegrass

Thank you, does anyone know the name of this Don Reno song?

Many thanks in advance

Ward




It's titled "Country Boy Rock & Roll".



Here's the other thread with this same video:

"I Got Yer TWANG right here--MARTY STUART!" (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/106865-i-got-yer-twang-right-here-marty-stuart.html)

Country Boy Rock n Roll.

I think there may be some tab for it at one of the various Bluegrass sites....

Clarence plays it on his "33 Instrumentals" CD

He uses both at the same time. He has one set for more treble and one set for more bass. During the 90's or large venues, he used 4 Twins set accordingly.

As far as Clarence today, who knows?! I bet it would be amazing. Part of me thinks he would have went down more of the Tony Rice acoustic mode as he loved playing with his brothers but his Silver Meteor LP had some great hybrid acoustic / b bender electric stuff so it's hard to say.

I think the guitar is in the right hands. Marty has really helped spread the word and music of Clarence White. I wonder just how many young guitar players who've seen this youtube video clip or seen Marty on TV wondered about that guitar and what the story is with it. That's how I learned about Clarence many years ago - through Marty.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/MeMartyTDP.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/122891/MeClarenceTDP.jpg

Johnny Isaacs

Thanks Johnny...love Marty's tone..those twins sound nice and FAT and twangy..

Here's a Clarence interview that give somewhat of a view of what he was thinking. This one was at a Holland 73 New Kentucky Colonels / White Bros gig
http://www.clarencewhiteforum.com/Temp/new%20kentucky%20colonels%20-%20holland%201973%20(speed%20corrected)/17%20-%20Clarence%20White%20Interview.mp3

I agree with Johnny on Marty being the only guy with the intergrity and class to own Clarence's guitar. I have tremendous respect for Marty, who keeps the tradition of true country music, and country rock, alive and well at a time when mainstream Nashville has all but forgotten it.
He's the real deal and I believe that Clarence would be happy to know that his guitar fell into the righthands.
JB
www.johnbeland.com

"Marty's tone seems like pure Clarence there. "

Funny, in the first 5 seconds I was thinking "that sounds like Clarence's guitar on the Fillmore recording, before Red installed the rewound pickups and changed the wiring harness - but nothing like his later stuff". The semi-stock configuration with simply a rewound bridge and a strat front pickup and phase switch, of course, is how it was when Marty got it (and when Fender analyzed it, not bothering to talk to Red Rhodes who had installed the electronics on it Clarence used for most of his Byrds tenure), Clarence apparently having tinkered with it in early '73 after the Byrds disbanded and he was back to using it for mainly country stuff on the Clarence/Gram/et al shows. But it doesn't sound anything like the Clarence's clean tone on the early 70's stuff - studio or live. The only similarity is the feel of the long-throw bends, which is I think what makes them kind of sound the same...but that's a stylistic similarity, not a tonal one. Tonally, they are like night and day.

I couldn't tell from the video, but did Marty take that goofy E bender off of it?

I couldn't tell from the video, but did Marty take that goofy E bender off of it?


No, the E-bender is still there and can be seen.


Frankly, what does the E-bender do? Doesn't/didn't he use it on the intro to "The Weight", which he recorded with the Staple Singers on the "Rhythm, Country & Blues" CD?

which is very useful in open E and A and also in open D if you leave the E string open and only fret the 2nd and 3rd strings then you can bring the II of the scale to a third which has a very nice sound.

I also got to play that guitar once about 7 or 8 years ago when my band did an opening slot for Marty's group in Norfolk, Va. at a truck rodeo. I'd known Marty's pedal steel player (the late Gary Hogue) from the Steel Guitar Convention in St. Louis and he arranged it for me. I didn't get to play it plugged in so I don't have a full knowledge of how it really sounds but it seemed to have a nice feel to it........

As far as Kenny Vaughn, someone mentioned Marty finding his "Don Rich" and I thing that analogy is right on! Kenny's one super sideman if there ever was one. I have a video tape of an old Austin City Limits show which featured Patty Loveless with Kenny on lead guitar. He was playing mostly a G&L which I don't know the model of but it was their equivilent of a Strat. Patty did the tune "Blue Side of Town" and Kenny started it off with an acapella guitar intro for about a minute which was some of the best guitar work I've ever heard anywhere. He really needs to be known much more than he is...IMO. I'd like to hear him get familiar with a bender guitar and see what he could do with one........JH in Va.

which is very useful in open E and A and also in open D if you leave the E string open and only fret the 2nd and 3rd strings then you can bring the II of the scale to a third which has a very nice sound.

I also got to play that guitar once about 7 or 8 years ago when my band did an opening slot for Marty's group in Norfolk, Va. at a truck rodeo. I'd known Marty's pedal steel player (the late Gary Hogue) from the Steel Guitar Convention in St. Louis and he arranged it for me. I didn't get to play it plugged in so I don't have a full knowledge of how it really sounds but it seemed to have a nice feel to it........

As far as Kenny Vaughn, someone mentioned Marty finding his "Don Rich" and I thing that analogy is right on! Kenny's one super sideman if there ever was one. I have a video tape of an old Austin City Limits show which featured Patty Loveless with Kenny on lead guitar. He was playing mostly a G&L which I don't know the model of but it was their equivilent of a Strat. Patty did the tune "Blue Side of Town" and Kenny started it off with an acapella guitar intro for about a minute which was some of the best guitar work I've ever heard anywhere. He really needs to be known much more than he is...IMO. I'd like to hear him get familiar with a bender guitar and see what he could do with one........JH in Va.


Jerry,

Has Marty ever let anyone play the guitar through an amp? Just curious.

PM headed your way, man.....

you were a friend of his. I've only only met him but really don't know him, but he seems pretty friendly and likes it when people know the history of his guitar and Clarence. He's a big fan of Clarence's so I think he's one happy dude to own the "Holy Grail" of bender guitars! I know I would be!............JH in Va.

Yea..I think that if I owned James B's first red Tele I would be holding on to it for dear life.
JB

I think I'd like to have James' old Tele myself. Do you know if he still has it? IMO James has more great guitar moments on record than just about anyone in the studio and sideman situations. There are instumentalists like Atkins, Travis, etc. but Burton's the man in the studio. Does anyone know what he's doing these days or has he finally retired.........JH in Va.

Whoa! That is the s***! Those guys are just toooooo good! Saw them at Penn's Peak in PA a couple years go, but they just get better. What an attitude. I hope they come east again.... they don't come to NY or NJ :cry: :sad: :!:

---

Marty signed my "Clarence" on the headstock and the rest of the band signed it on the back masonite cover. It has the long throw bender (stringbender innovations), double body and E string banjo tuners.It has a duncan broadcaster bridge pickup and a left hand stagger strat pickup. Reverse control plate w/a 4 way and 6105 frets and a US Custom birdseye neck with a tinted nitro finish. Marty and Kenny loved it!

Marty signed my "Clarence" on the headstock and the rest of the band signed it on the back masonite cover. It has the long throw bender (stringbender innovations), double body and E string banjo tuners.It has a duncan broadcaster bridge pickup and a left hand stagger strat pickup. Reverse control plate w/a 4 way and 6105 frets and a US Custom birdseye neck with a tinted nitro finish. Marty and Kenny loved it!



Got any better pics of that gee-tar??

This is what the guitar looked like about a year ago. I have since aged it a little better and had the signatures added at Charlotte Michigan.

Wheres the hub for the B string?

This is what the guitar looked like about a year ago. I have since aged it a little better and had the signatures added at Charlotte Michigan.



AWESOME! :shock: What was Marty's reaction when he saw it? Who did the bender install? Man, I'd love for mine to be like that.....but....that'd probably be hard to do with a paisley tele....*sigh*


Speakin' of Marty himself, does anyone know if he is/was aware of the wonderful work of Mike Nihen and his CW clone teles before Mike went out of business and what his thoughts are/were? Just somethin' I've wondered about recently.


Oh...I had a very vivid dream (and I know it's gonna be just a dream and that it won't really ever happen) that Marty actually let me play 'Clarence' onstage for Irons upcoming gig in Hiawassee, GA opening for him.....how freaky is that??

The B string comes out a slot under the plate

That must be a pain when you have to change the b string.

On the stringpull guitars, the hub protrudes thru the aluminum plate behind the bridge...and its a pain to change the b string...

The bender is mounted coventionally in the "top" tele body...the second body(more like 2/3s of a body) is a rim...like the original guitar..without the innerds mounted on the back


http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/data/537/medium/DSCN2979_Small_.JPG

Don, take the plate off and with a round file take a little off,or send it to me and i'll do it.

Hey Mike..thanks for the offer....I have developed a system for getting the ball end out of the bender hub. Not something one would want to do on the fly but lowers the pain factor...I thought about removing the plate and filing it a bit but decided against it....

That must be a pain when you have to change the b string.

On the stringpull guitars, the hub protrudes thru the aluminum plate behind the bridge...and its a pain to change the b string...

The bender is mounted coventionally in the "top" tele body...the second body(more like 2/3s of a body) is a rim...like the original guitar..without the innerds mounted on the back


http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/data/537/medium/DSCN2979_Small_.JPG




Man, that is one gorgeous and killer guitar....it's too bad Mike ain't building those anymore....:(

I forgot to add that I added the satellite emblem and the guitar has S-1 switching on the 4 way! fyi Marty loved it and said "Who is doin'these, man"?!?

I saw Marty & Kenny (killer player, nice guy) at a "master class" at the Kennedy Center 2 yrs. ago and Marty let one of the students play "Clarence" plugged in.

Marty's a treasure, he was nice enough to let me get a pic w/ him & "Clarence" even though I knew he wanted to get to dinner... it's a treasured photo. We'll be seeing him again on July 5 and I may bring my just-completed Bill Crook b-bender tribute to Clarence for him to sign (not a copy, just based-on: 3 tone burst/tortoise guard (tho w/ a rosewood board).

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/fendertweed/MartyStuartJonClarenceTele.jpg

That was fantastic! Thank you for posting!

Dang, I'm happy that I own a Telecaster!

Just for comparison, a pic of Nashville West #0001:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/692102/1237577/29957162.jpg

Yeah, Marty has the original bender...but *I* have the black-hat Nudie sticker!

:razz:

its 000.....that one dont need no stinkin number

you were a friend of his. I've only only met him but really don't know him, but he seems pretty friendly and likes it when people know the history of his guitar and Clarence. He's a big fan of Clarence's so I think he's one happy dude to own the "Holy Grail" of bender guitars! I know I would be!............JH in Va.

I'm just glad he PLAYS the thing instead of letting it rot in some Hard Rock Cafe. Just saw him live last night for the first time. That axe is most certainly in the right hands.

--Rob

what amazes me is how good those twins sound vs. the ac-30s.

A dream will come true for me tomorrow when I'll get to (along with the band I"m in as lead guitarist--Irons In The Fire (http://www.myspace.com/ironsinthefiremusic)) opens two shows for Marty at the Anderson Music Hall in Hiawassee, GA at 2:00 p.m. & 7:00 p.m. I hope tomorrow goes by so very slow!! I've got my camera ready to take pics and I'm hoping I can get him to sign my paisley tele this time with a pen/sharpie where the signature won't fade like last time.