vintage/kluson oval style tuners for 10mm peghole?

are there any vintage/kluson oval style tuners that fit a 10mm peghole?

There are bushings that fit the Klusons to 'modern' holes. Stew Mac?

yep. i used those bushings to get gotoh klusons to fit 10mm holes and it's working perfectly

The Stew Mac conversions work especially well for Highway One and Am Se Teles and Strats. They also work fairly well with MIM Standards, but the bore size can vary.

But most of the Squiers and other overseas guitars use what I call a 10.5 mm bore hole, and for this, instead of a package of conversion bushings for $ 8 that are sloppy loose in the bore, a tandem layer of sleeving, #135 and #136 from K + S metals of Chicago, IL pressed over the Gotoh bushing works just great.

Thanks guys.

The conversion bushings will approximate the vintage look from the front of the heastock since they're press-fit. However there is an alternative - the Tone Pros Kluson reproductions are available with bolt bushings and they're a direct replacement for your machines. Nicely made, highly polished nickel, and they hold very tightly because of the bolt bushing.

The conversion bushings will approximate the vintage look from the front of the heastock since they're press-fit. However there is an alternative - the Tone Pros Kluson reproductions are available with bolt bushings and they're a direct replacement for your machines. Nicely made, highly polished nickel, and they hold very tightly because of the bolt bushing.

so would these be ok for my mighty mite neck with the 10.5mm holes?

Theoretically, you can use any vintage-style tuners with the reducer bushings that convert the vintage peghead drill bore to the 10mm that you have. The only thing I learned, is that Gotoh vintage tuners have a slightly larger post diameter than Kluson, Grover, Wilkinson or Fender (Ping). So, watch-out for that potential trip-up. Butm that being said, WD offers Kluson reducer bushings that will work with any of the vintage tuners except Gotoh. I believe the Stew Mac reducer bushings will accommodate Gotoh vintage tuners, since that's the brand they sell. A number of the parts guys also sell the 10mm bushings for vintage tuners - Guitar Fetish, Guitar Parts Resource, AllParts - those guys. I've done a few. It's pretty painless.

Theoretically, you can use any vintage-style tuners with the reducer bushings that convert the vintage peghead drill bore to the 10mm that you have. The only thing I learned, is that Gotoh vintage tuners have a slightly larger post diameter than Kluson, Grover, Wilkinson or Fender (Ping). So, watch-out for that potential trip-up. Butm that being said, WD offers Kluson reducer bushings that will work with any of the vintage tuners except Gotoh. I believe the Stew Mac reducer bushings will accommodate Gotoh vintage tuners, since that's the brand they sell. A number of the parts guys also sell the 10mm bushings for vintage tuners - Guitar Fetish, Guitar Parts Resource, AllParts - those guys. I've done a few. It's pretty painless.

but aren't my pegholes 10.5mm rather than 10mm? Stewmac told me that they don't do any vintage tuners that could fit and i would have to use something like these www.stewmac.com/shopby/item/1951.

I'm too confused.

Some pegheads are drilled for 10mm, Mighty Mite (pretty sure) uses 10.5, which is what StewMac sells. Some of the bushing guys are making the bushings bigger for that extra half-millimeter - see (www. guitarfetish.com) write-up on their bushings. Also, go to www.wdmusic.com for info on Kluson reducer bushings.

If the hole is a little too big for the bushing, plane a few slivers of wood from any wood block. Use a razor blade to cut it to the thickness of your peghead. Just use a couple drops of wood glue and
I've found this is the best fix for holes that are slightly oversize for the bushings. Then press the bushings in, tapping them in with a small
wood block.

Other guys use metal sleeves over the standard bushings. I haven't tried this appraoch, so I can't say on this.

It seems, the more recently-introduced bushings, such as Guitar Fetish's parts and WD, they're making them the correct size for 10.5mm, since this is what Fender and MightyMite use. I've always gone for the best looking bushing - the ones that look the most like a vintage flange and adjust the fit, as needed.

but aren't my pegholes 10.5mm rather than 10mm? Stewmac told me that they don't do any vintage tuners that could fit and i would have to use something like these www.stewmac.com/shopby/item/1951.

I'm too confused.

Drop Tony and Jackie an e-mail at Axesrus (http://www.axesrus.com/) and see what they've got in stock. I bought a set of conversion bushes from them (admittedly for 10mm) holes and fitted Gotohs to my to my Kirchencaster, replacing the Sperzels.

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You can ease out the holes with a piece of fine sandpaper either wrapped up into a tube or around a pencil. But don't force the bushes in as you can split your headstock.

:smile: Peter

Thanks Peter,

not heard of them before. I'll email them and ask.

Do you know what their tele necks are like?

The Kluson bushings (according to their website) are .397" which is just a shade over 10mm. But all die-cast parts vary from lot-to-lot
a little. I've also gotten away with squeezing the base of the ferrule
with a vise grip to tighten it up as well.

Even with the normal size-for-size bushing project it can require some tweaking - either opening the holes up a bit or the reverse.
Just the nature of the beast with an interference fit part. Since neither side has any give. Just has to be "just right."

You don't want to use SuperGlue, but some guys recommend using
luthier's yellow glue (wood glue) if they're snug, but not real tight.

so would these be ok for my mighty mite neck with the 10.5mm holes?

The Tone Pros Kluson machines are bolt bushings, so they don't require a tight fit in the hole. You should be fine with those because they hold the front and back - it's a bolt after all - instead of being press-fit into the sides of the hole. So if they're made for 10mm and you put them in 10.5mm, there's a weensy gap of .25mm on each side and that's probably less than the natural variation you get from holes in any piece of wood anyway.

If you send a photos of your headstock to Marquis Distribution (a TonePros dealer, they're linked from the Tone Pros site) they'll make sure you get machines that fit.

Thanks Peter,

not heard of them before. I'll email them and ask.

Do you know what their tele necks are like?

Don't know what their necks are like but you could PM lambchop and get some more info from him. Have a look at this thread (http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-tech/101270-anyone-ordered-one-these-necks-axesrus.html).

Quite a few of the UK and European TDPRIers use Axesrus and we've all found their products and service superb.

Stewmac is great but you've got the risk and cost of international shipping.

:grin: Peter

I know some people do not like this method.....but..........

Heat shrink tubing has worked well for me.

Steve

The bushings from http://www.axesrus.com/ arrived and they fit the Mighty Mite perfectly. I emailed them and they were pretty confident they would be ok. Really nice company.

Better order those Kluson's.

The bushings from http://www.axesrus.com/ arrived and they fit the Mighty Mite perfectly. I emailed them and they were pretty confident they would be ok. Really nice company.

Better order those Kluson's.

Glad to hear it worked out and that Tony and Jackie continue to provide great service.

:grin: Peter

I know some people do not like this method.....but..........

Heat shrink tubing has worked well for me.

Steve


I did a bunch of 10.5 mm bore hole Squier necks with the heat shrink tubing, even used the marine grade.

But after playing those and listening to them back to back with guitars with the proper bore, I concluded that the shrink tubing was canceling out some if not most of the advantage I was looking for with this premium tuner.

When I happened upon this brass tubing over the stock Gotoh bush technique, I did a couple and felt that that result was equivalent to having the proper bore in the first place. So I tore all the heat shrink out, maybe 12 guitars in all. Each guitar neck seemed to benefit a good bit from the brass sleeving and reminded me that the maple and rosewood does not know if it is fabbed in USA or indonesia.