SFPR kit?

Webfoot · February 29th, 2008, 04:51 PM

Everyone glows about a SFPR... is there anybody that does that in a kit that is good and possibly with a 12" speaker?

PhatTele · February 29th, 2008, 05:03 PM

If by "PR" you're talking about a Princeton Reverb, then Weber's 6A14 kit is an option:

https://taweber.powweb.com/store/kits_60a.htm#6A14

Mojo Musical Supply's Princeton Reverb kit is an option:

http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...991&id=5550011

and Allen Amplification's Sweet Spot kit is an option

http://www.allenamps.com/kits.php

All are good kits with good parts. You can also pick up a plain old SF version for about the same money and fix it up.

Webfoot · February 29th, 2008, 05:23 PM

I guess I need to try one and see if I like it. I have tried the Victoria 5112 which is based on the 5F1 and really like it. Need to see if I like the SFPR circuit. It's amazing that 12 to 14 watts cost $1000. Problem if you build these is probably low resale if it does not work. If it is the answer that would be great. I wonder if I need to wait until Fender releases the PR.

marshman · February 29th, 2008, 06:50 PM

I'm not tryin' to sound high and mighty here, but, it might be important to understand what you're talking about...I'm not sure anyone makes 'kits' or 'clones' of anything Silverface (SF). It generally refers to the cosmetic changes implemented by CBS not long after they took over FMI. For most of the bigger amps (virtually everything over @ 20 watts) the circuit changes were widely regarded as unhelpful and untoneful, ergo, most any amplifier with silverface cosmetics is widely regarded as inferior to it's older, blackface versions. Sometimes, the SF cosmetics were implemented months before the circuit changes came into play, so it is possible to get a real good deal on a "BF verb-O-meister" in SF clothing if you know what to look for.

Now with the little amps (Princetons & Champs), the circuit changes took a long time to come into play, and they were apparently less detrimental to the tone than the alterations to the bigger guns. What that means is that while the typical shop owner only knows that SF is worth less than BF as Fender amps are concerned, most don't know that it frequently didn't apply to the smaller units like the PR, SOOO, one can get a great deal on one of those amps if one knows how to look, ergo, the current popularity.

Now, I am NOT a fender amp expert, and I cannot be held accountable for the accuracy of any of these remarks, but it does give you the gist of the situation. A replica of SF anything is highly unlikely. But by all accounts, PRs rock.

February 29th, 2008, 04:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
Webfoot TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 75	SFPR kit? Everyone glows about a SFPR... is there anybody that does that in a kit that is good and possibly with a 12" speaker?

February 29th, 2008, 05:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
PhatTele Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 732	If by "PR" you're talking about a Princeton Reverb, then Weber's 6A14 kit is an option: https://taweber.powweb.com/store/kits_60a.htm#6A14 Mojo Musical Supply's Princeton Reverb kit is an option: http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...991&id=5550011 and Allen Amplification's Sweet Spot kit is an option http://www.allenamps.com/kits.php All are good kits with good parts. You can also pick up a plain old SF version for about the same money and fix it up.

February 29th, 2008, 05:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
Webfoot TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 75	I guess I need to try one and see if I like it. I have tried the Victoria 5112 which is based on the 5F1 and really like it. Need to see if I like the SFPR circuit. It's amazing that 12 to 14 watts cost $1000. Problem if you build these is probably low resale if it does not work. If it is the answer that would be great. I wonder if I need to wait until Fender releases the PR.

February 29th, 2008, 06:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
marshman Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SE PA Posts: 874	I'm not tryin' to sound high and mighty here, but, it might be important to understand what you're talking about...I'm not sure anyone makes 'kits' or 'clones' of anything Silverface (SF). It generally refers to the cosmetic changes implemented by CBS not long after they took over FMI. For most of the bigger amps (virtually everything over @ 20 watts) the circuit changes were widely regarded as unhelpful and untoneful, ergo, most any amplifier with silverface cosmetics is widely regarded as inferior to it's older, blackface versions. Sometimes, the SF cosmetics were implemented months before the circuit changes came into play, so it is possible to get a real good deal on a "BF verb-O-meister" in SF clothing if you know what to look for. Now with the little amps (Princetons & Champs), the circuit changes took a long time to come into play, and they were apparently less detrimental to the tone than the alterations to the bigger guns. What that means is that while the typical shop owner only knows that SF is worth less than BF as Fender amps are concerned, most don't know that it frequently didn't apply to the smaller units like the PR, SOOO, one can get a great deal on one of those amps if one knows how to look, ergo, the current popularity. Now, I am NOT a fender amp expert, and I cannot be held accountable for the accuracy of any of these remarks, but it does give you the gist of the situation. A replica of SF anything is highly unlikely. But by all accounts, PRs rock.