Super Champ XD Speaker Replacement

JamonHamon · February 11th, 2008, 03:27 AM

How would a Jensen 10" Neo sound in it

jh45gun · February 11th, 2008, 03:50 AM

Whats wrong with the stock one? Just curious as it seems now days every one is on a quest to find the perfect speaker.

JamonHamon · February 11th, 2008, 04:03 AM

I've heard good things about the stock speaker but I've heard great things about the Eminence Rajin Cajun too
So I'm just wondering about the Jensen Neo's

Lance · February 11th, 2008, 08:09 AM

I thought the stock speaker sounded good in the store. Maybe a little stiff but nothing that a few months of break-in wouldn't help.

JamonHamon · February 11th, 2008, 07:08 PM

any body else

Jakedog · February 11th, 2008, 07:45 PM

Since I've gigged mine a few times, it is my opinion that the stock speaker is very nice, but not ideal. When I push it really hard, the low end starts getting a little farty and buzzy. When I dial out enough low end to keep it tight, it sounds a little bright to me.

Now, this is with my old TV Yeller Les Paul special w/P-90's. With my strat or my tele, it doesn't tend to get as loose, but it doesn't honk as well either. It's much cleaner.

I've been toying with the idea of maybe throwing a 10" Vintage 30 in there. With that much power handling, I'd never get any speaker breakup, just tubes, the way I like it. And the lows should stay nice and tight, the way I like it.

I like the high end response in the stock speaker quite a bit. Not ice-picky at all, nice and juicy if you watch where you set the treble control. With some speakers, they're too "spiky" with the treble up, and lose all their life and sound dull when you dial it down. This one does very well.

Them's my two cents.

Jake

johnnytronics · February 11th, 2008, 08:01 PM

I had a Super Champ XD, but it was too loud for my apt. Swapped it for the Vibro Champ XD which I also like. Don't you think the guys at Fender take into account the balance that the stock speaker needs to replicate all the various modeled amps and effects?

postjob62 · February 11th, 2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnytronics

I had a Super Champ XD, but it was too loud for my apt. Swapped it for the Vibro Champ XD which I also like. Don't you think the guys at Fender take into account the balance that the stock speaker needs to replicate all the various modeled amps and effects?

Now there's a really good question...

JamonHamon · February 12th, 2008, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnytronics

I had a Super Champ XD, but it was too loud for my apt. Swapped it for the Vibro Champ XD which I also like. Don't you think the guys at Fender take into account the balance that the stock speaker needs to replicate all the various modeled amps and effects?

Good question there thats why I'm thinking a Jensen Neo

Jakedog · February 12th, 2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnytronics

Don't you think the guys at Fender take into account the balance that the stock speaker needs to replicate all the various modeled amps and effects?

Sure they take it into account. That's the reason the stock speaker does such a good job as is. But with modeling, there will always be a trade off. I don't think (I'm not a speaker designer, so I don't know) that there is a way to make ONE speaker that will do completely accurate representations of all sixteen amp models. If you make one to replicate the low-end of a big blackface believably, it won't replicate the sizzle of the small speaker in a tweed twin, and vice-versa. A speaker isn't digital, and can't be programmed to reproduce all of the amp models that are being played through it. The best they can do, is develop one that does a fair job of covering as many bases as possible. And this one is exceptional as far as that goes. I don't think that at living room volumes one could find much to complain about. At all. But when I turn on the 6th preset, (cranked Blackface) and set the gain on 5-6, and the master on 8-10, and gig with it, the bottom end can get messy. I'm not surprised, and I'm not upset by it. That's just the way it is. For what I need to do with it (have an ultra-light and toneful small gig rig) I think it would benefit from a more efficient speaker, that won't flub a little in the low end when I run it wide open. It won't sound the same as with a stock speaker, but I didn't buy it because I wanted it to sound exactly like "X". That nearly always ends in disappointment...

Jake

kp8 · February 12th, 2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance

I thought the stock speaker sounded good in the store. Maybe a little stiff but nothing that a few months of break-in wouldn't help.

a few months?

February 11th, 2008, 03:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
JamonHamon Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,328	Super Champ XD Speaker Replacement How would a Jensen 10" Neo sound in it

February 11th, 2008, 08:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lance Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,177	I thought the stock speaker sounded good in the store. Maybe a little stiff but nothing that a few months of break-in wouldn't help. __________________ Lance "not very good...but I make up for it by playing loud"

February 11th, 2008, 07:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jakedog Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cleveland,OH But my heart's still in TE Posts: 3,051	Since I've gigged mine a few times, it is my opinion that the stock speaker is very nice, but not ideal. When I push it really hard, the low end starts getting a little farty and buzzy. When I dial out enough low end to keep it tight, it sounds a little bright to me. Now, this is with my old TV Yeller Les Paul special w/P-90's. With my strat or my tele, it doesn't tend to get as loose, but it doesn't honk as well either. It's much cleaner. I've been toying with the idea of maybe throwing a 10" Vintage 30 in there. With that much power handling, I'd never get any speaker breakup, just tubes, the way I like it. And the lows should stay nice and tight, the way I like it. I like the high end response in the stock speaker quite a bit. Not ice-picky at all, nice and juicy if you watch where you set the treble control. With some speakers, they're too "spiky" with the treble up, and lose all their life and sound dull when you dial it down. This one does very well. Them's my two cents. Jake __________________ "Them that don't know him won't like him, and them that do sometimes won't know how to take him..."

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johnnytronics Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Big Apple, NYC Age: 58 Posts: 555	I had a Super Champ XD, but it was too loud for my apt. Swapped it for the Vibro Champ XD which I also like. Don't you think the guys at Fender take into account the balance that the stock speaker needs to replicate all the various modeled amps and effects? __________________ Support our Troops

February 11th, 2008, 03:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
jh45gun Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,011	Whats wrong with the stock one? Just curious as it seems now days every one is on a quest to find the perfect speaker.

February 11th, 2008, 04:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
JamonHamon Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,328	I've heard good things about the stock speaker but I've heard great things about the Eminence Rajin Cajun too So I'm just wondering about the Jensen Neo's

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JamonHamon Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,328	any body else