Silverface Twin Grill Cloth.

chriscrob · February 10th, 2008, 08:59 PM

I recently picked up a Twin reverb on ebay. I got it for $450...pretty good deal i think. Its got some issues but I can fix most of them...the one thing I'm not quite sure to fix is the grill cloth.

I'm getting the original grill cloth but not the board it attaches to. I'm not sure exactly what that looks like...nobody seems to have taken it off and taken a picture. (If you a picture of one that would be wonderful...)

I figured I could probably build another frame. I'ld buy one if for the right price...but I'm can't seem to find one (i don't really know what to search for).

Does the grill cloth frame affect the tone in any way? The speakers are attached to the something (the baffle board?) already so I didn't think the grill cloth and its frame was really for anything but looks, i donno though.
Thanks for your help.

getbent · February 10th, 2008, 09:26 PM

Ha! timing is everything! I just replaced the grille cloth on my music man... TODAY! woo hoo! It took a few hours but it came out great!

I ordered my grill cloth from Angela (on ebay) the cloth cost like 19.00 maybe 25 total.

I took the baffle board out (this required basically taking the whole amp apart) carefully removed all the brads (staples) and the old grill cloth (and emblems) and carefully collected all the screws and where they go.

Then lay out your new grill cloth (after cleaning everything thoroughly!) make sure it is going the same direction as the original... then begin stapling it in the same location as the original... get it as tight as you can and definitely get it straight! once you have stapled it completely down... trim off the excess. Next, Get a hair dryer (the one like a gun) turn it on high and work close on the grill cloth... the plastic in the grill cloth will shrink and get taut. This is a good thing. go until it looks *****en. Put the babble board back in... make sure it is fitting correctly, tuck in any mistakes... tighten it up. then put the amp back in and hook it all up. put back any other missing peaces, check to make sure it is still taut. Then add back the emblems and you are done. I spent about 3 hours on mine today... I have sore hands but a cool looking little musicman amp! it is clean and shiny and pretty new looking!

I don't think Grill cloth affects tone.

chriscrob · February 10th, 2008, 09:38 PM

Ok...i thought the grill cloth on the twin attached to a separate frame and then velcroed in. I'll just have to see when it gets here.

JDC · February 10th, 2008, 11:35 PM

"i thought the grill cloth on the twin attached to a separate frame and then velcroed in"

It's been years, but I had a Fender Vibrosonic. I'm not sure, but I think it was basically a Twin with a 15" JBL instead of 2 x12s.

I replaced the grill cloth one afternoon after a band rehearsal at a club I was playing, at the time. I know I didn't remove the baffle board. I think you are correct in that the grill cloth was attached to a frame which could be removed easily because it was simply velcroed to the baffle board.

But, the removal/replacement procedure isn't any different than the one getbent describes...except that that baffle doesn't have to be removed. I don't recall having "tighten up" the fabric, either.

getbent · February 10th, 2008, 11:48 PM

Hey, if the cover comes off easier.. all to the good! You may be good enough at getting it stretched so that you don't need to tighten it up... my directions are strictly for the ungifted. Hard work is the only thing that works for me.

chriscrob · February 11th, 2008, 06:28 AM

I assumed I would have to stretch it out. I plan on stapling one corner down then stretching up to the other corner on the same side then stapling the whole side then stretching straight across and doing the same corner method then doing the top/bottom. Thanks for the grill cloth facing the same way advice though..i hadn't thought of that.

The problem is..I don't have the cover. Its coming with a loose grill cloth and the amp (I can see the speakers/baffle board in the front).

What I need is another frame or at least a copy/picture of one (so i can emulate it) that I can attach the original grill cloth to.

I could just measure and use some small wood strips to make a square that I think will fit...I'll do that if I need to but I'ld like to try to make it as close to the original as I can so knowing what the original looked like would be wonderful.

GuitarJonz · February 11th, 2008, 06:58 AM

This one from Rodgers on eBay is for an earlier Twin, but they can make whatever you want, although with the SF Twins with dadoed-in baffles, you just need to add the front grill panel with cloth. Just get a piece of 1/4" plywood and cut one out, paint it black and add cloth as directed above. It's pretty easy to see the outline of what you need to cut, leaving a strip down the middle and a bit more wood on upper left for the Fender logo, like the one below. Add velcro to attach it, and you're good to go.

chriscrob · February 11th, 2008, 08:37 AM

Thanks. Thats exactly what I was looking for...using a piece of plywood will be a whole bunch easier than building some kind of frame out of sticks. I'll probably go with a pretty thin piece of plywood...

its already got a baffle so the tonal characteristics of the wood I use shouldn't really matter, correct?

Rick J · February 11th, 2008, 10:03 AM

Anybody know exactly how the grill cloth on a late 70's or early 80's SFPR was fitted? Also velcro?

Rick J

chriscrob · February 11th, 2008, 10:26 AM

http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...614&id=1006170

Both the ebay listing above and the mojo baffle mention some kind of trim strip (1" online 1/4" mojo) is this just the outside of the baffle? What is that? I'm picturing a strip of wood all the way around the outside of the plywood that would keep the grill cloth from direct contact with the bulk of the plywood.

Thanks for all the help.

chriscrob · February 11th, 2008, 12:20 PM

If I buy 1/2" plywood and cut it like this I should be alright?

This is what I'm working with.

February 10th, 2008, 08:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
chriscrob Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newnan, Georgia Age: 22 Posts: 110	Silverface Twin Grill Cloth. I recently picked up a Twin reverb on ebay. I got it for $450...pretty good deal i think. Its got some issues but I can fix most of them...the one thing I'm not quite sure to fix is the grill cloth. I'm getting the original grill cloth but not the board it attaches to. I'm not sure exactly what that looks like...nobody seems to have taken it off and taken a picture. (If you a picture of one that would be wonderful...) I figured I could probably build another frame. I'ld buy one if for the right price...but I'm can't seem to find one (i don't really know what to search for). Does the grill cloth frame affect the tone in any way? The speakers are attached to the something (the baffle board?) already so I didn't think the grill cloth and its frame was really for anything but looks, i donno though. Thanks for your help.

February 10th, 2008, 09:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Age: 48 Posts: 8,995 37 Photos	Ha! timing is everything! I just replaced the grille cloth on my music man... TODAY! woo hoo! It took a few hours but it came out great! I ordered my grill cloth from Angela (on ebay) the cloth cost like 19.00 maybe 25 total. I took the baffle board out (this required basically taking the whole amp apart) carefully removed all the brads (staples) and the old grill cloth (and emblems) and carefully collected all the screws and where they go. Then lay out your new grill cloth (after cleaning everything thoroughly!) make sure it is going the same direction as the original... then begin stapling it in the same location as the original... get it as tight as you can and definitely get it straight! once you have stapled it completely down... trim off the excess. Next, Get a hair dryer (the one like a gun) turn it on high and work close on the grill cloth... the plastic in the grill cloth will shrink and get taut. This is a good thing. go until it looks *****en. Put the babble board back in... make sure it is fitting correctly, tuck in any mistakes... tighten it up. then put the amp back in and hook it all up. put back any other missing peaces, check to make sure it is still taut. Then add back the emblems and you are done. I spent about 3 hours on mine today... I have sore hands but a cool looking little musicman amp! it is clean and shiny and pretty new looking! I don't think Grill cloth affects tone. __________________ I got a room at the top of the world tonight, I got a room at the top of the world tonight, and I ain't... comin'... down.

February 10th, 2008, 11:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Age: 48 Posts: 8,995 37 Photos	Hey, if the cover comes off easier.. all to the good! You may be good enough at getting it stretched so that you don't need to tighten it up... my directions are strictly for the ungifted. Hard work is the only thing that works for me. __________________ I got a room at the top of the world tonight, I got a room at the top of the world tonight, and I ain't... comin'... down.

February 11th, 2008, 10:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
Rick J Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North London, UK Posts: 431	While we're talking about grill cloths............ Anybody know exactly how the grill cloth on a late 70's or early 80's SFPR was fitted? Also velcro? Rick J __________________ "If you want to know what an electric guitar is supposed to sound like, just listen to this." - British DJ John Peel introducing a Roy Buchanan track on BBC radio in the late 60's.

February 10th, 2008, 09:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
chriscrob Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newnan, Georgia Age: 22 Posts: 110	Ok...i thought the grill cloth on the twin attached to a separate frame and then velcroed in. I'll just have to see when it gets here.

February 10th, 2008, 11:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
JDC Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 283 4 Photos	"i thought the grill cloth on the twin attached to a separate frame and then velcroed in" It's been years, but I had a Fender Vibrosonic. I'm not sure, but I think it was basically a Twin with a 15" JBL instead of 2 x12s. I replaced the grill cloth one afternoon after a band rehearsal at a club I was playing, at the time. I know I didn't remove the baffle board. I think you are correct in that the grill cloth was attached to a frame which could be removed easily because it was simply velcroed to the baffle board. But, the removal/replacement procedure isn't any different than the one getbent describes...except that that baffle doesn't have to be removed. I don't recall having "tighten up" the fabric, either.

February 11th, 2008, 06:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
chriscrob Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newnan, Georgia Age: 22 Posts: 110	I assumed I would have to stretch it out. I plan on stapling one corner down then stretching up to the other corner on the same side then stapling the whole side then stretching straight across and doing the same corner method then doing the top/bottom. Thanks for the grill cloth facing the same way advice though..i hadn't thought of that. The problem is..I don't have the cover. Its coming with a loose grill cloth and the amp (I can see the speakers/baffle board in the front). What I need is another frame or at least a copy/picture of one (so i can emulate it) that I can attach the original grill cloth to. I could just measure and use some small wood strips to make a square that I think will fit...I'll do that if I need to but I'ld like to try to make it as close to the original as I can so knowing what the original looked like would be wonderful.

February 11th, 2008, 06:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
GuitarJonz Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Mass. Posts: 2,648 7 Photos	This one from Rodgers on eBay is for an earlier Twin, but they can make whatever you want, although with the SF Twins with dadoed-in baffles, you just need to add the front grill panel with cloth. Just get a piece of 1/4" plywood and cut one out, paint it black and add cloth as directed above. It's pretty easy to see the outline of what you need to cut, leaving a strip down the middle and a bit more wood on upper left for the Fender logo, like the one below. Add velcro to attach it, and you're good to go.

February 11th, 2008, 08:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
chriscrob Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newnan, Georgia Age: 22 Posts: 110	Thanks. Thats exactly what I was looking for...using a piece of plywood will be a whole bunch easier than building some kind of frame out of sticks. I'll probably go with a pretty thin piece of plywood... its already got a baffle so the tonal characteristics of the wood I use shouldn't really matter, correct?

February 11th, 2008, 10:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
chriscrob Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newnan, Georgia Age: 22 Posts: 110	http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...614&id=1006170 Both the ebay listing above and the mojo baffle mention some kind of trim strip (1" online 1/4" mojo) is this just the outside of the baffle? What is that? I'm picturing a strip of wood all the way around the outside of the plywood that would keep the grill cloth from direct contact with the bulk of the plywood. Thanks for all the help.

February 11th, 2008, 12:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
chriscrob Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newnan, Georgia Age: 22 Posts: 110	If I buy 1/2" plywood and cut it like this I should be alright? This is what I'm working with.