Fender Blues deville Blues

picker02 · February 10th, 2008, 11:38 AM

Hey people,
Can someone help me out there? I have a 4x10 deVille, and my problem is that the speakers kinda give a (farting sound) I play a 56 tele with all boss pedals, So I'm not sure if its the stock speakers or what. also, I changed tubes, 6L6s but that has not helped. any help ? thanks

Trimmed&Burnin · February 10th, 2008, 12:28 PM

Sounds like a DeVille alright,, You might try Tungsol 5881's,, you'll need to rebias. The try Weber 10F150's,,, this will make you DeVille sound like a much better amp.

Darcy Hoover · February 10th, 2008, 04:30 PM

Not quite the same amp, but the same problem...

I recently put a Weber 12F150 into my Blues Deluxe RI.....all fartiness is now gone! Tightened up the bass considerably, actually it sounds so sweet now I've reconsidered my plans to build a 5F6A kit! I really cannot believe what this amp is now capable of on the bottom end, it really is impressive.

Daddydex · February 10th, 2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by picker02

Hey people,
Can someone help me out there? I have a 4x10 deVille, and my problem is that the speakers kinda give a (farting sound) I play a 56 tele with all boss pedals, So I'm not sure if its the stock speakers or what. also, I changed tubes, 6L6s but that has not helped. any help ? thanks

I would love to know if the sound is the same as mine. My amp breaks up on the low end to the point it can't be used. No problem on the high strings at all. Can this really be solved with tubes?

Dan

Trimmed&Burnin · February 10th, 2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddydex

I would love to know if the sound is the same as mine. My amp breaks up on the low end to the point it can't be used. No problem on the high strings at all. Can this really be solved with tubes?

Dan

I usually think of the 4x10 DeVille's,,, a couple Weber 12F150's will "fix" alot of the tone problems in these amp,,, how old is your amp?

Daddydex · February 10th, 2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Trimmed&Burnin

I usually think of the 4x10 DeVille's,,, a couple Weber 12F150's will "fix" alot of the tone problems in these amp,,, how old is your amp?

I think I bought it in 1995. I haven't had much use from it because it really sounds awful at times.

Dan

Trimmed&Burnin · February 10th, 2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddydex

I think I bought it in 1995. I haven't had much use from it because it really sounds awful at times.

Dan

At the risk of offending someone,, I dont think these amps are worth putting much money into. The Webers will make it sound like a whole new amp as a rule. BUT you may have one of the ones that will just continue being a problem. If you have never put excesive loads on the speakers and it has'nt seen much use it may be one of the many that are crap to start with. I had one, a 2x12 model, some years ago and never did like it.
I'm probably not very objective about it anymore,, I've seen so many of them that just never sound good. I should probably sit out at this point.

Daddydex · February 10th, 2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trimmed&Burnin

At the risk of offending someone,, I dont think these amps are worth putting much money into. The Webers will make it sound like a whole new amp as a rule. BUT you may have one of the ones that will just continue being a problem. If you have never put excesive loads on the speakers and it has'nt seen much use it may be one of the many that are crap to start with. I had one, a 2x12 model, some years ago and never did like it.
I'm probably not very objective about it anymore,, I've seen so many of them that just never sound good. I should probably sit out at this point.

You won't offend me. Its just a thing.

My amp is a 4-10. Were there inherent problems with these speakers? I am sure the Webers are good speakers but at this point (and at that price) I would be inclined to get some of those Warehouse Guitar Speakers at 29 bucks a pop. Like you said, I might be throwing good money after bad anyway. I would try this If I knew for sure it was the speakers.

Dan

postjob62 · February 10th, 2008, 06:10 PM

Is this just a speaker issue, or is the problem common to other HR series amps with similar topology?

Trimmed&Burnin · February 11th, 2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by postjob62

Is this just a speaker issue, or is the problem common to other HR series amps with similar topology?

I'm sure there a bunch of threads here that speak to the issues that these amps have,, mostly it's the printed curcuit boards that fail and the cheap parts these amps are built out of. They are consumer amps, meant to be replaced as they break down,,,, this is a marketing descision that Fender made to make a lot of money selling amps. You buy the amp of the year and replace it when the warrenty runs out with the new amp of the year. There is no money in it for Fender if they built amps that last. The other part of the equasion is that "we" the buying consumer want inexspensive amps so we have worked hand in hand with this mind set. This is one of the biggest reasons that the "boutique" amp builders are proliferating,,, compitition,, pride,, and market creates a better product. I understand that these dissposable amps have made it possible for more people to own amps that might not have otherwise but the end result is a lot of amps that are designed to break down and be replaced.
It's very simular the auto industry,, alot of people get into a car knowing that they will be making payments untill the car is worn out. They then go get into another car that they will have to make payments on untill it wears out. This is what keeps our economy moving,,, a constant cash flow.
If your amp has no other problems at this point it may be worth putting Webers in it,, they will improve your tone greatly.

picker02 · February 11th, 2008, 11:11 AM

DaddyDex,
Its only on the Low end, last night I changed around the pedal board and it helped alot.

picker02 · February 11th, 2008, 11:17 AM

Thanks,
You have a great point here. Still it is very sad that we are a throw away society. your input is greatly appreicated

picker02 · February 11th, 2008, 11:21 AM

I bought mine in 95 also, traded a 79 twin w/Jbls. Stupid huh? anyways I 'll try some of the speakers you guys are talking a bout.thanks Deeray

picker02 · February 11th, 2008, 11:25 AM

Darcy.
What is 5F6A kit ? I really don't know alot of what the tech terms mean,
thanks

Darcy Hoover · February 11th, 2008, 01:10 PM

I was considering building a Bassman, one of the old hand-wired jobs, the 5F6A designates the circuit. There's quite a few kits available online and I thought it would be a fun project, but the speaker swap fixed all my problems.

I found that Torres Engineering offers a kit to rebuild the Deluxe's inards to a hand-wired Bassman circuit....may still give that a go in the future, as I do have a good speaker in it now!

marshman · February 12th, 2008, 08:48 AM

I dunno if you've the option, but an easy way to determine if your speakers are the problem is to plug the amp into a different speaker cab. You may have one around, or perhaps know someone that does. At least then you'd know what you were looking at without having spent any dosh. Just make sure the cab in question is of the correct resistance (impedance?), so you don't damage anything.

It would probably be best if you played the amp 'normal', set up to sound 'bad', so this would be obvious pretty quickly.

If you were so inclined, you could also acquire a spare set of tubes, and do all the comparison at once. If you've got a "13" year old amp running original sovtek/GT/Fender branded 12AX7a & 6L6s, they might be due for an upgrade anyway.

Good luck.

--Almost forgot: They're not exactly the same, but a lot of info about the Deville applies as well as it does to the Hot Rod/Blues Deluxe, so give this stuff a read and see if any of it helps.

http://studentweb.eku.edu/justin_holton/

February 10th, 2008, 11:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
picker02 TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lake Eufaula.Oklahoma Age: 53 Posts: 24	Fender Blues deville Blues Hey people, Can someone help me out there? I have a 4x10 deVille, and my problem is that the speakers kinda give a (farting sound) I play a 56 tele with all boss pedals, So I'm not sure if its the stock speakers or what. also, I changed tubes, 6L6s but that has not helped. any help ? thanks

February 10th, 2008, 12:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trimmed&Burnin Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham Wa Age: 53 Posts: 807	Sounds like a DeVille alright,, You might try Tungsol 5881's,, you'll need to rebias. The try Weber 10F150's,,, this will make you DeVille sound like a much better amp. __________________ Keep your lamp Trimmed And Burnin Shannon,

February 10th, 2008, 04:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Darcy Hoover Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 314	Not quite the same amp, but the same problem... I recently put a Weber 12F150 into my Blues Deluxe RI.....all fartiness is now gone! Tightened up the bass considerably, actually it sounds so sweet now I've reconsidered my plans to build a 5F6A kit! I really cannot believe what this amp is now capable of on the bottom end, it really is impressive. __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/darcyhoover

February 10th, 2008, 06:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
postjob62 Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 58 Posts: 467	Is this just a speaker issue, or is the problem common to other HR series amps with similar topology? __________________ You wore a diamond watch, claimed it was from Uncle Joe; Well, I looked at the inscription, it said "Love from Daddy-O"

February 11th, 2008, 11:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
picker02 TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lake Eufaula.Oklahoma Age: 53 Posts: 24	DaddyDex, Its only on the Low end, last night I changed around the pedal board and it helped alot.

February 11th, 2008, 11:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
picker02 TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lake Eufaula.Oklahoma Age: 53 Posts: 24	Thanks, You have a great point here. Still it is very sad that we are a throw away society. your input is greatly appreicated

February 11th, 2008, 11:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
picker02 TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lake Eufaula.Oklahoma Age: 53 Posts: 24	I bought mine in 95 also, traded a 79 twin w/Jbls. Stupid huh? anyways I 'll try some of the speakers you guys are talking a bout.thanks Deeray

February 11th, 2008, 11:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
picker02 TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lake Eufaula.Oklahoma Age: 53 Posts: 24	Darcy. What is 5F6A kit ? I really don't know alot of what the tech terms mean, thanks

February 11th, 2008, 01:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
Darcy Hoover Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 314	I was considering building a Bassman, one of the old hand-wired jobs, the 5F6A designates the circuit. There's quite a few kits available online and I thought it would be a fun project, but the speaker swap fixed all my problems. I found that Torres Engineering offers a kit to rebuild the Deluxe's inards to a hand-wired Bassman circuit....may still give that a go in the future, as I do have a good speaker in it now!

February 12th, 2008, 08:48 AM	#16 (permalink)
marshman Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SE PA Posts: 623	I dunno if you've the option, but an easy way to determine if your speakers are the problem is to plug the amp into a different speaker cab. You may have one around, or perhaps know someone that does. At least then you'd know what you were looking at without having spent any dosh. Just make sure the cab in question is of the correct resistance (impedance?), so you don't damage anything. It would probably be best if you played the amp 'normal', set up to sound 'bad', so this would be obvious pretty quickly. If you were so inclined, you could also acquire a spare set of tubes, and do all the comparison at once. If you've got a "13" year old amp running original sovtek/GT/Fender branded 12AX7a & 6L6s, they might be due for an upgrade anyway. Good luck. --Almost forgot: They're not exactly the same, but a lot of info about the Deville applies as well as it does to the Hot Rod/Blues Deluxe, so give this stuff a read and see if any of it helps. http://studentweb.eku.edu/justin_holton/