Here's why TDPers are superior people.

[BoB/335]

Funny thing. I was just over at the "Stompbox Section" and ran across this thread.

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/stomp-box...dal-board.html

This "Superior TDP" stuff just don't cut it. (of course IMHO)

[Telarkaster]

Originally Posted by BoB/335

I like a clean sound as much as anyone else. I also like this forum but I didn't realize there were so many Tele snobs here. There are many great "TONES" besides a squeaky clean Tele through a Twin Reverb.

I hear you. Actually, I prefer a squeaky clean Strat through a Twin (heresy! ). Les Pauls, hollowbodies, you name it, they sound good through Twins too. Twins bring out subtle nuances in guitars that I never noticed before and enhance the guitar's sound. A Strat has a more delicate sound than a Tele, that's why I like it with a Twin.

If I'm going to play through someone else's amp and I'm not sure how it'll sound, I'll bring my Tele. Teles make bad amps sound good. Or at least better than other guitars. I love my Tele with an angry Marshall. But if I'm playing my Twin, I prefer my Strat.

Oh, and Teleman14, I've heard two Twins blast away. The were both stacked on top of 4x12 Marshall cabs, in total 200 watts going through 12 12" speakers. I'm still recovering from the sonic attack! At one point I thought I was going to die with a smile on my face!

[TelZilla]

It's interesting, though I think Rit is a great player, I really don't like his tone in that clip. Sounds like hard clipping/overly processed to me.

So you're right, it's way too subjective to come to any kind of consensus.

[stevieboy]

Maybe Dana Carvey will join so he come do his little superior dance for us!

I play pretty clean but I like some tube breakup. If you want to feel superior because you don't, well, fine.

[Paul G.]

Before the thread goes away forever, let me just explain:

The fact that we even discuss clean is the point. It's as if "tone" is a euphemism for distortion. The concept of the electric guitar as being this uniform thing, like when Esteban demonstrates is electric--that buzzy, fizzy, compressed thing.

Like everybody else here, I appreciate fitting the sound of your guitar to the music. I just like the fact that there are people here who know that means much more than fuzz.

Now I'm going to go listen to some Ronnie Earl, Anson Funderburgh, and Les Paul records.

P.

[scoots]

i bought my tele and tube amp for the clean and the twang. but as far as distortion goes---you just can't beat tube driven distortion either. i'm more content my my distortion now than i've ever been. i'm still hunting for a clean i'm happy with though...

[Tony474]

Originally Posted by Paul G.

The fact that we even discuss clean is the point. It's as if "tone" is a euphemism for distortion. The concept of the electric guitar as being this uniform thing, like when Esteban demonstrates is electric--that buzzy, fizzy, compressed thing.

Like everybody else here, I appreciate fitting the sound of your guitar to the music. I just like the fact that there are people here who know that means much more than fuzz.

P.

Precisely. And more or less just what I said before in post no. 30. If having a well-rounded and comprehensive appreciation of all the sounds an electric guitar can make rather than merely a few of them makes us superior, then so be it.

[JDC]

"I didn't realize there were so many Tele snobs here"

I doubt there are as many as you think. BUT, that having been said, (just playing devil's advocate for a minute) the name of the forum IS the TELECASTER Discussion Page Reissue. I would actually be more surprised if there weren't any "Tele snobs" here lol

[BoB/335]

Originally Posted by JDC

"I didn't realize there were so many Tele snobs here"

I doubt there are as many as you think. BUT, that having been said, (just playing devil's advocate for a minute) the name of the forum IS the TELECASTER Discussion Page Reissue. I would actually be more surprised if there weren't any "Tele snobs" here lol

I guess some of you DID miss my point!

"On every other guitar forum, all they talk about is "breakup" and distortion. Master volumes, attenuators, fuzzboxes, "How do I get 'tone' (meaning distortion) at low volumes?".

I'm on several other guitar forums I find that statement to be untrue. IMHO

[Tony474]

Originally Posted by BoB/335

"On every other guitar forum, all they talk about is "breakup" and distortion. Master volumes, attenuators, fuzzboxes, "How do I get 'tone' (meaning distortion) at low volumes?".

I'm on several other guitar forums I find that statement to be untrue. IMHO

That must simply mean that there are a few superior people to be found on those forums (fora?) as well.

[601210]

IMO, right now, the TDPRI sucks.

First of all, tone is purely subjective. You might say that distortion destroys the tone of the guitar, but I beg to disagree. I find that for every clean tone, there is an amount of distortion that brings it out perfectly.

Second, it is stupid to impose superiority on anything. To say that you are superior to anyone who likes his guitar tone with distortion is the same as them saying your '52 Tele through a Fender Twin sounds like garbage. They're both true and they're both false. To simply say that you are superior is proof that you aren't.


p.s. I've been to alot of forums with lots of talks on distortion, and I've never seen anyone hate on a clean sound. Practically the only comment I have ever seen on the topic is "Nice clean sounds."

[Scotland]

Originally Posted by TG

The free demo CD you get with guitar mags, such as Guitarist, always gives me a laugh.

'Here's the bridge pickup with overdrive.'
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

'Here's the neck pickup with overdrive.'
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

'Here's the combined setting.'
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

And here's Joe Bloggs' 4000 quid handmade guitar played thru a boutique amp...with overdrive.'
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Amen to that !! I doubt if any of them at "the office" know what a clean sound is.
I'm all for talking dirty but not where amps are concerned.

[Moggl]

The reason I joined this forum was the ignorance I met elsewhere. At first, you'll laugh it off when some whizkid know-all tells you everything you learnt over the past few decades is rubbish but after you find the majority of that lot is all the same it just gets plain annoying.

The way people argue and communicate round here is a lot more civilised than on other forums. With F.I.B. (hey Garret, there's another diag for ya) as the only exception to that rule.

[Tony474]

Originally Posted by 601210

IMO, right now, the TDPRI sucks.

First of all, tone is purely subjective. You might say that distortion destroys the tone of the guitar, but I beg to disagree. I find that for every clean tone, there is an amount of distortion that brings it out perfectly.

Second, it is stupid to impose superiority on anything. To say that you are superior to anyone who likes his guitar tone with distortion is the same as them saying your '52 Tele through a Fender Twin sounds like garbage. They're both true and they're both false. To simply say that you are superior is proof that you aren't.

You've missed the point, my young friend. First of all the original post was written in a slightly tongue-in-cheek spirit. Secondly, no-one is saying that preferring one kind of sound to another implies superiority.

Let me repeat what I said before: "If having a well-rounded and comprehensive appreciation of all the sounds an electric guitar can make rather than merely a few of them makes us superior, then so be it."

You can say you like something - no problem; that's a matter of your personal reaction to it. But to say you prefer it to something else when you don't know much about what that something else is doesn't make sense. Hence having an appreciation of the whole range of choices indicates superior knowledge rather than being a qualitatively superior individual.

Which, however, a lot of us are anyway...

[601210]

Originally Posted by Tony474

You've missed the point, my young friend. First of all the original post was written in a slightly tongue-in-cheek spirit. Secondly, no-one is saying that preferring one kind of sound to another implies superiority.

Let me repeat what I said before: "If having a well-rounded and comprehensive appreciation of all the sounds an electric guitar can make rather than merely a few of them makes us superior, then so be it."

You can say you like something - no problem; that's a matter of your personal reaction to it. But to say you prefer it to something else when you don't know much about what that something else is doesn't make sense. Hence having an appreciation of the whole range of choices indicates superior knowledge rather than being a qualitatively superior individual.

Which, however, a lot of us are anyway...

I think I got a bit of the point.
Anyways. I'll just play safe and say that generalization really isn't a good way to go, and our distortion-loving counterparts may be as well-informed as us, only preferring their own sound.
Stereotypes are sad.

[Durtdog]

What's sad is people who can't find something a little more important to bicker about.

[Moggl]

Originally Posted by Durtdog

What's sad is people who can't find something a little more important to bicker about.

Good point.

[Tony474]

Originally Posted by Durtdog

What's sad is people who can't find something a little more important to bicker about.

Nah, only inferior people bicker. We here on TDPRI discuss!

[Scotland]

Originally Posted by Tony474

Nah, only inferior people bicker. We here on TDPRI discuss!

No we don't.

[Tony474]

Originally Posted by Scotland

No we don't.

Well, that's a point of view - now here's what I think...

[Moggl]

Originally Posted by Scotland

No we don't.

Yes we do.

[Tony474]

Originally Posted by Scotland

No we don't.

Originally Posted by Moggl

Yes we do.

HE'S BEHIND YOU!

(Sorry, Americans probably won't get this one - it's a UK thing )

[Moggl]

Scotland's missing his turn.

Where's the whitewash?

[robrohdeszudy]

Hah! Shoulda tolkd him he needed to turn up the "skill knob" on his guitar!

There I go being uncharitable again...

--Rob

Originally Posted by Durtdog

I was at an impromptu jam many years ago and many miles from here. There was a young hot shot know-it-all guitar player there and he leaned over and told me I needed to turn up the gain knob on my amp. I told him I didn't have a "gain knob" on my amp and he quipped, "Well that explains it".

What it explained is self-explanatory, I guess.