Thinking about moving up from a PR ...

4mal · November 6th, 2007, 01:01 PM

Got an SF PR that was BF'ed by Don Butler. Sounds great for rehersal & studio but - my rhythm guitarist / singer has a Super Reverb, Lead guy has a Deluxe (I'd be the bass player ...). The Super is too big for most clubs and my Princeton Reverb is too small. So I'm thinking move the PR and buy an amp that my rhythm guy can use - but one that I can still use in the studio. To complicate matters more, the rhythm guy plays a hollow body Gretsch. I think it needs a 12 rather than a 10 anyway...

1. an SF Deluxe
2. a 90's Blues Deluxe
3. a Pro Reverb
4. DRRI ?
5. ?

In an ideal world, he'd buy his own amp, eh ? Not gonna happen with a brand new little girl in the family. Resources wise I'm in a better position to make this happen.

Assuming that the PR is in good shape and stock other than the BF job, what kind of price differentials am I looking at with these amps?

I'm not into owning the amp as an investment. It's a tool to do a job. I do want it to be reliable of course... should I be leary of the pcb amps ?

Wally · November 6th, 2007, 01:57 PM

Turn the SR volume down and pump up presence with the tone controls. It should work well for rhythm. This saves you money, you get to keep the Princeton REverb, and the SR yields great clean rhythm tones. The lead man can pump his DR up for the heat he needs/wants, right?

Wally · November 6th, 2007, 01:58 PM

There isn't much difference between a BF and a SF Princeton REverb. They are virtually the same amp.

PhatTele · November 6th, 2007, 02:33 PM

What kind of ryhthm tone are you guys shooting for? Do you need an accoustic tone? Do you need an edgy, bluesy, Keith Richards tone? If it's the former, see my discussion below. If it's the latter, I'd get a small Champ and mic it.

We were hauling around an amp for our singer who played strummy rhythm on a Gibson hollow body w/P90s. We were toating around a Blues Deluxe and it was just too much. We needed a clean tone. It turned out that the best solution was to hook them up through a Sans Amp directly into the PA. Now we don't even need the amp. It saves on room and we can dial in the effects either through pedals or through the PA's effects.

Hoodster · November 6th, 2007, 02:46 PM

Rivera Clubster 25 Doce. Watch the vid at

www.rivera.com

4mal · November 6th, 2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally

There isn't much difference between a BF and a SF Princeton Reverb. They are virtually the same amp.

Yep, not much had to be done as I recall it. It was like - time for a recap - you want the BF treatment as well ?

4mal · November 6th, 2007, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally

There isn't much difference between a BF and a SF Princeton Reverb. They are virtually the same amp.

Yep, not much had to be done as I recall it. It was like - time for a recap - you want the BF treatment as well ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatTele

What kind of ryhthm tone are you guys shooting for? Do you need an accoustic tone? Do you need an edgy, bluesy, Keith Richards tone? If it's the former, see my discussion below. If it's the latter, I'd get a small Champ and mic it.

We were hauling around an amp for our singer who played strummy rhythm on a Gibson hollow body w/P90s. We were toating around a Blues Deluxe and it was just too much. We needed a clean tone. It turned out that the best solution was to hook them up through a Sans Amp directly into the PA. Now we don't even need the amp. It saves on room and we can dial in the effects either through pedals or through the PA's effects.

Neither. We're about 70 to 80 % original on any given night. (Not that it matters but - We do some 'art rock' cleverly disguised as 'surf music', some full on 2 step and a bunch of straight up rock 'n roll. Brian run's a pretty well equipped pedal board and we need the clean affected, big bodied sound - that's where the PR won't cut it. He also needs a good grind and also a 'little hair on it' tone... a Champ won't cut it and the PA thing isn't really going to work for us at this point - not saying it couldn't but several of the clubs we play have PA that we don't have much control over. Best we make it easy on them in the interest of quick up and check, play and down... 2 band nights are kind of the norm for us ... quick in, out, up & down is the name of the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally

Turn the SR volume down and pump up presence with the tone controls. It should work well for rhythm. This saves you money, you get to keep the Princeton REverb, and the SR yields great clean rhythm tones. The lead man can pump his DR up for the heat he needs/wants, right?

Pretty much that's what we do now and Brian dials in the grit he needs with a couple of dist 'o pedals, an old Ibanez and a Boss I think... The Super just doesn't come alive until it's way too loud - and it's a large heavy amp. Friday night this week we're on a Postage stamp sized stage - and we'll get by with the Super but ... it could be better.

The Rivera is an interesting suggestion. We actually have a pair of Rivera's in the studio. One is a head and cabinet setups that get used for recording a lot. The other is a 2x12 combo. Those guys are pretty big though. I think more in the 50 / 60 watt class. They have body for sure! More of the same problem thatwe have with the Super in other words. There is also an 18 watt Marshall - smae issues as the Princeton Reverb. I'll have a look at the 25 watter Rivera - those be big bucks if I recall...

Wally · November 6th, 2007, 03:28 PM

IT sounds like you need another DR or a staight non-reverb Deluxe...BF or SF.
THe little Chubster will probably do it. I would personally put my money into a vintage Fender Deluxe or DR...SF wold do it well.
The other thing you sould consider is something like a MEsa or Duncan tube preamp and go to the board. IT works great for small places...they are drinking beer and don't listen to the fine points anyway.

nonvintage · November 6th, 2007, 08:26 PM

SF Vibrolux Reverb. Less weight than the Super, more power than a Deluxe. 1.5K less than a Blackface.

PhatTele · November 7th, 2007, 09:35 AM

I was thinking the same thing...though he did mention something about wanting to stick w/a 12" speaker.

Tim Armstrong · November 7th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Don't make me post my picture of an SM-57 again!

Tim

4mal · November 7th, 2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Armstrong

Don't make me post my picture of an SM-57 again!

Tim

*sigh*

It's just not the same thing ...

Hoodster · November 7th, 2007, 02:45 PM

The Rivera Clubster Series are very affordable for the quality. I got mine used for $600 mint

The Princeton Recording Amp might be another option--run a cab when you need bigger sound.

This is a sick demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo3gHZC877M

November 6th, 2007, 01:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
4mal Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Gorge Posts: 1,980	Thinking about moving up from a PR ... Got an SF PR that was BF'ed by Don Butler. Sounds great for rehersal & studio but - my rhythm guitarist / singer has a Super Reverb, Lead guy has a Deluxe (I'd be the bass player ...). The Super is too big for most clubs and my Princeton Reverb is too small. So I'm thinking move the PR and buy an amp that my rhythm guy can use - but one that I can still use in the studio. To complicate matters more, the rhythm guy plays a hollow body Gretsch. I think it needs a 12 rather than a 10 anyway... 1. an SF Deluxe 2. a 90's Blues Deluxe 3. a Pro Reverb 4. DRRI ? 5. ? In an ideal world, he'd buy his own amp, eh ? Not gonna happen with a brand new little girl in the family. Resources wise I'm in a better position to make this happen. Assuming that the PR is in good shape and stock other than the BF job, what kind of price differentials am I looking at with these amps? I'm not into owning the amp as an investment. It's a tool to do a job. I do want it to be reliable of course... should I be leary of the pcb amps ?

November 6th, 2007, 01:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,646	FWIW.. There isn't much difference between a BF and a SF Princeton REverb. They are virtually the same amp.

November 7th, 2007, 11:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tim Armstrong Moderator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Berlin, Maryland, USA Age: 49 Posts: 8,395	Don't make me post my picture of an SM-57 again! Tim __________________ http://www.moodswingers.org

November 6th, 2007, 01:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,646	Turn the SR volume down and pump up presence with the tone controls. It should work well for rhythm. This saves you money, you get to keep the Princeton REverb, and the SR yields great clean rhythm tones. The lead man can pump his DR up for the heat he needs/wants, right?

November 6th, 2007, 02:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
PhatTele Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 687	What kind of ryhthm tone are you guys shooting for? Do you need an accoustic tone? Do you need an edgy, bluesy, Keith Richards tone? If it's the former, see my discussion below. If it's the latter, I'd get a small Champ and mic it. We were hauling around an amp for our singer who played strummy rhythm on a Gibson hollow body w/P90s. We were toating around a Blues Deluxe and it was just too much. We needed a clean tone. It turned out that the best solution was to hook them up through a Sans Amp directly into the PA. Now we don't even need the amp. It saves on room and we can dial in the effects either through pedals or through the PA's effects.

November 6th, 2007, 02:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hoodster Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 297	Rivera Clubster 25 Doce. Watch the vid at www.rivera.com

November 6th, 2007, 03:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,646	IT sounds like you need another DR or a staight non-reverb Deluxe...BF or SF. THe little Chubster will probably do it. I would personally put my money into a vintage Fender Deluxe or DR...SF wold do it well. The other thing you sould consider is something like a MEsa or Duncan tube preamp and go to the board. IT works great for small places...they are drinking beer and don't listen to the fine points anyway.

November 6th, 2007, 08:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
nonvintage Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 464	SF Vibrolux Reverb. Less weight than the Super, more power than a Deluxe. 1.5K less than a Blackface.

November 7th, 2007, 09:35 AM	#10 (permalink)
PhatTele Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 687	I was thinking the same thing...though he did mention something about wanting to stick w/a 12" speaker.

November 7th, 2007, 02:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hoodster Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 297	The Rivera Clubster Series are very affordable for the quality. I got mine used for $600 mint The Princeton Recording Amp might be another option--run a cab when you need bigger sound. This is a sick demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo3gHZC877M