25W vs. 50 Watt Weber

tele-jack · June 9th, 2007, 03:09 PM

I am thinking about replacing the stock speaker in my HRDLX with a Weber 12F150. What difference would the 25 watt make compared to the 50 watt being a 40 watt speaker?

6942 · June 9th, 2007, 04:39 PM

Weber claims that the higher the power handling capabilities, the smoother his speakers sound.
Since my Weber CVC10 speaker is rated at 15 watts, I certainly can't verify that claim.

Steve

Wally · June 9th, 2007, 05:19 PM

I always opt for about 25% higher speaker ahndling capacity than an amp puts out. The 50watter would hold up longer, imho. The 25-watter would probably distort earlier and die sooner.

Ricky D. · June 9th, 2007, 05:57 PM

No way to operate that amp in the real gig world and be certain that they never exceed 25 watts output. Not by ear. If you go with a speaker rated for less power than the amp puts out, put a fast-blow fuse in line with it so you can blow a cheap fuse instead of an expensive speaker. A 1.5 amp fuse would be about right if your amp is designed for an 8 ohm output and you are running an 8 ohm speaker. Buy a box of fuses, you will need them as you learn what amp settings you can use with your instruments.

If we are talking about a speaker you are considering buying, my advice is don't even consider buying a speaker with less than a 50 watt rating for your 40 watt amp. Who needs the hassles?

tazzboy · June 9th, 2007, 07:56 PM

I agree with wally. I 'd go with the 50 watter

JamonHamon · June 9th, 2007, 08:09 PM

OK here's what I've found I bought a 30w Weber alnico bluedog that I played in a 16w amp it sounded good but sounded dark a dull

So I called and talked to Ted at Weber and he told me to order the bluedog in 15w I found it to be much brighter and articulate and suited the amps playability much better

jjmantele · June 9th, 2007, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky D.

No way to operate that amp in the real gig world and be certain that they never exceed 25 watts output. Not by ear. If you go with a speaker rated for less power than the amp puts out, put a fast-blow fuse in line with it so you can blow a cheap fuse instead of an expensive speaker. .............

Fusing a speaker can cause an output tranny to blow. 1st the fuse blows then the open secondary makes it go poof. Unless you have a SS output, then you are fine.

tazzboy · June 9th, 2007, 10:47 PM

I agree jjmantele. Solid State amps aren't that fussy when comes to ohms and wattage of speaker. Unlike tubes amp which require you to have the right wattage and the right ohms in order for it to work right.

PhatTele · June 10th, 2007, 05:23 PM

Lower wattage = thinner paper in the cone, brighter tone, earlier breakup, much sweeter at low volumes, much harsher at high volumes

Higher wattage = thicker paper in the cone, relative darker tone, smoother overall than the lower wattage version, nice at low volume but not as sweet as the lower wattage speaker, nice smooth break up at the higher volumes

If you have a dark amp, lower wattage speakers will help brighten it up a bit (think Tweed Bassmans and Super Reverbs...4 x low wattage speakers). Personally, I like the amp to break up and not the speaker. So, I like the 30 to 50 watt versions for my two speaker combos and 50 to 80 watt versions for single speakers (mainly in 40 watt combos...25 watt combos get the 30 to 50 watters). So, I sacrifice some of the low volume sweetness for a smoother tone for the overall volume range.

Note: This is based on lots of A/B-ing speakers through comparable cabinets with the same guitars and amps switching back and forth with foot pedal switches and somebody turning knobs while the guitar player plays the licks.

June 9th, 2007, 03:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
tele-jack Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: massachusetts Age: 47 Posts: 117	25W vs. 50 Watt Weber I am thinking about replacing the stock speaker in my HRDLX with a Weber 12F150. What difference would the 25 watt make compared to the 50 watt being a 40 watt speaker?

June 9th, 2007, 07:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 2,478	I agree with wally. I 'd go with the 50 watter __________________ tazzboy Guitar: 1982 Gibson Les Paul Standard AMP: 59 Bassman Reissue. EFFECTS: 2 Boss TR-2 Tremolo, Boss CE-2 Chorus, and Boss DM-3 Echo Delay.

June 9th, 2007, 10:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 2,478	I agree jjmantele. Solid State amps aren't that fussy when comes to ohms and wattage of speaker. Unlike tubes amp which require you to have the right wattage and the right ohms in order for it to work right. __________________ tazzboy Guitar: 1982 Gibson Les Paul Standard AMP: 59 Bassman Reissue. EFFECTS: 2 Boss TR-2 Tremolo, Boss CE-2 Chorus, and Boss DM-3 Echo Delay.

June 9th, 2007, 04:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
6942 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,297	Weber claims that the higher the power handling capabilities, the smoother his speakers sound. Since my Weber CVC10 speaker is rated at 15 watts, I certainly can't verify that claim. Steve

June 9th, 2007, 05:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,447	I always opt for about 25% higher speaker ahndling capacity than an amp puts out. The 50watter would hold up longer, imho. The 25-watter would probably distort earlier and die sooner.

June 9th, 2007, 05:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ricky D. Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 550	No way to operate that amp in the real gig world and be certain that they never exceed 25 watts output. Not by ear. If you go with a speaker rated for less power than the amp puts out, put a fast-blow fuse in line with it so you can blow a cheap fuse instead of an expensive speaker. A 1.5 amp fuse would be about right if your amp is designed for an 8 ohm output and you are running an 8 ohm speaker. Buy a box of fuses, you will need them as you learn what amp settings you can use with your instruments. If we are talking about a speaker you are considering buying, my advice is don't even consider buying a speaker with less than a 50 watt rating for your 40 watt amp. Who needs the hassles?

June 9th, 2007, 08:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
JamonHamon Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,233	OK here's what I've found I bought a 30w Weber alnico bluedog that I played in a 16w amp it sounded good but sounded dark a dull So I called and talked to Ted at Weber and he told me to order the bluedog in 15w I found it to be much brighter and articulate and suited the amps playability much better

June 10th, 2007, 05:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
PhatTele Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 663	Lower wattage = thinner paper in the cone, brighter tone, earlier breakup, much sweeter at low volumes, much harsher at high volumes Higher wattage = thicker paper in the cone, relative darker tone, smoother overall than the lower wattage version, nice at low volume but not as sweet as the lower wattage speaker, nice smooth break up at the higher volumes If you have a dark amp, lower wattage speakers will help brighten it up a bit (think Tweed Bassmans and Super Reverbs...4 x low wattage speakers). Personally, I like the amp to break up and not the speaker. So, I like the 30 to 50 watt versions for my two speaker combos and 50 to 80 watt versions for single speakers (mainly in 40 watt combos...25 watt combos get the 30 to 50 watters). So, I sacrifice some of the low volume sweetness for a smoother tone for the overall volume range. Note: This is based on lots of A/B-ing speakers through comparable cabinets with the same guitars and amps switching back and forth with foot pedal switches and somebody turning knobs while the guitar player plays the licks.