Saw a Fender Tweed Deluxe this weekend.

chet · May 14th, 2007, 08:28 AM

There was some guy playing another amp right next to it so I didn't try it out.
$1679.00. No way I'd pay that much for an amp that little.

Should've asked the kid to play through the Tweed Deluxe.

Wally · May 14th, 2007, 03:29 PM

the TWeed Deluxe has proven in studios and stages around the world that it is not the physical sized that matters....it is the aural quality of the sonics.
Cost??? Well, as one post in another thread noted....considering inflation, that new Fender probably costs about what the originals did back in the '50's. Of course, Fender products never were the least expensive option out there, were they? As they say, the proof is in the pudding. those original Tweeds are still chugging along...my '49 kicks butt and takes names. I just sold a recovered/restored '58 to a fellow in INdiana who is more than happy with the expenditure.
If Fender did this one correctly, then more power to them. Imho, Billy G and Neil Young among countless others can't be wrong about the little Deluxe.

CancerLeoCam · May 14th, 2007, 03:32 PM

The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one.

stantheman · May 14th, 2007, 04:47 PM

Get someone to build You the Weber Kit. there's always someone on ebay that just completed another one played it for 20 hours to make sure it's cool and wants to sell it so they can build another.
From what I gather people who have "the talent" to build 'em get quite addicted to the process of the build and burn-in.
Next year when She loosens the purse strings...look out!!!
7 months two weeks three days and counting

joe c · May 14th, 2007, 06:12 PM

The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one.

That will pop that price right up if they discounted them.

chet · May 15th, 2007, 01:31 PM

Over $1700.00 is way too much for an amp that size for me. JMO
You can't tell me that they can't make it for less money than that. C'mon now....

Joe M · May 15th, 2007, 02:35 PM

"The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one."

CancerLeoCam.....where did these statements come from??

fezz parka · May 15th, 2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally

the TWeed Deluxe has proven in studios and stages around the world that it is not the physical sized that matters....it is the aural quality of the sonics.

Right on Wally. Here's a video of some guy (fezz something or other) playing a 12 watt Deluxe in a pretty big club. The other guitarist (Dave Rogers of Dave's Guitars) is going through the PA. The little Deluxe isn't. Sorry for the film quality, but you gotta admit, you can hear that little 12 watt amp amongst all that other noise. Just imagine if it had been in the PA.

kludge · May 15th, 2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chet

Over $1700.00 is way too much for an amp that size for me. JMO
You can't tell me that they can't make it for less money than that. C'mon now....

Yeah, you can buy a Behringer 4x12 stack with a gazillion watts of power for like $50, and it even has a perfect digital model of a "tweed amp", which will sound JUST LIKE a Tweed Deluxe! Right? Right?

Actually, the digital probably sounds better, because it's digital, and tubes are all distorted and stuff.

greggorypeccary · May 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kludge

Yeah, you can buy a Behringer 4x12 stack with a gazillion watts of power for like $50, and it even has a perfect digital model of a "tweed amp", which will sound JUST LIKE a Tweed Deluxe! Right? Right?

Actually, the digital probably sounds better, because it's digital, and tubes are all distorted and stuff.

Reminds me of a guy in college, around '87 or so, trying to convince us that the Expose CD he had was good because "It's digital-digital-digital!" To which my buddy responded, "But it's Expose!"

I love my 5e3, not perfect for all situations, but always killer.

lpacilio · May 15th, 2007, 08:49 PM

"The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways."

Hey, CancerLeoCam, that's pure 100% unadultrated BS you're spreading.

The 57 Deluxe is made by Fender in Corona.

getbent · May 15th, 2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chet

Over $1700.00 is way too much for an amp that size for me. JMO
You can't tell me that they can't make it for less money than that. C'mon now....

Salma Hayek is 5'2". Rupaul is 6'7". Size is not necessarily the measure of quality.

1700.00 would be more than I would be willing to pay for that amp, but there are a bunch amps that small that I'd happily pay that price... Tone King would be one, an original BF deluxe would be another... and there are probably 20 other amps that I would plunk down that kind of penny for....

Bill · May 15th, 2007, 09:36 PM

Maybe what's hard to justify is that you can get a silverface Twin Reverb for half that price, and it seems like so much more amp for so little money. Which it is.

But tweed is like aural sex.

chet · May 16th, 2007, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getbent

Salma Hayek is 5'2". Rupaul is 6'7". Size is not necessarily the measure of quality.

1700.00 would be more than I would be willing to pay for that amp, but there are a bunch amps that small that I'd happily pay that price... Tone King would be one, an original BF deluxe would be another... and there are probably 20 other amps that I would plunk down that kind of penny for....

I didn't say anything like that. I just said that they could make it for less if they wanted to.

fezz parka · May 16th, 2007, 09:04 AM

If I were to build someone a 5e3 usng a Weber Kit (this is purely hypothetical, I do not build amps for sale), this is a ballpark estimate of what it would cost:

Weber kit = 490.00
10 hours labor @ 45.00 an hour = 450.00
total parts and labor = 940.00

Then there's babysitting it for the first 10 hours of playing it, making sure it all works.
Then there's shipping it, and any applicable sales tax. So add another 100 bucks.
So we're looking at around $1040.00 for an amp that I'm not building for myself.

lpacilio · May 16th, 2007, 09:18 AM

This is a capitalist economy so it's really pretty simple...

If you don't like the product or the price, don't buy it!

chet · May 16th, 2007, 09:29 AM

Yeah, but this is an amp discussion board so we like to discuss new products that are on the market.

fezz parka · May 16th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Amp = good. Talk= good.

1293 · May 16th, 2007, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fezz parka

Right on Wally. Here's a video of some guy (fezz something or other) playing a 12 watt Deluxe in a pretty big club. The other guitarist (Dave Rogers of Dave's Guitars) is going through the PA. The little Deluxe isn't. Sorry for the film quality, but you gotta admit, you can hear that little 12 watt amp amongst all that other noise. Just imagine if it had been in the PA.

Fezz,

What speaker do you have in that amp?

bazooka47 · May 16th, 2007, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CancerLeoCam

The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one.

I bought one, and I absolutely love it. In fact, I also own an original 5E3 that has been professionally restored by a well-known amp builder. My recently purchased reissue sounds MUCH better than the original, and I am still running it on "stock" tubes.

Maybe I just got as good one, but I think it is worth every penny.

fezz parka · May 16th, 2007, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1293

Fezz,

What speaker do you have in that amp?

It's got a Red Fang in it.

Joe M · May 16th, 2007, 02:00 PM

fezz,
How does the Red Fang compare to the stock speaker?

fezz parka · May 16th, 2007, 02:50 PM

Well, mines built from a kit, it's not one of the Fender RI's. I will say that the Red Fang is light years ahead of the SS AlNiCo's that come with the kit, more volume, more bottom, just more of everything while still maintaining the AlNiCo vibe. The one thing about it is that it's a tight fit if you use big bottle 6v6's like JJ's. The tubes will make contact with the bell cover and it can't be removed. I have no trouble with clearance with my NOS RCA's. I wanted to run a Celestion Blue in it, but I worry about the 15 watt rating and burning a $250 speaker...

mad dog · May 16th, 2007, 03:03 PM

At that price, without discounting, I'm not sure how Fender will compete. Not sure what Victoria's 20112 is going for, but Michael Clark's Beaufort with the Blue is under 1400.

There are so many high-quality, very competitive examples of tweed deluxe types around ... I fail to see a compelling reason to give Fender the business at substantially higher prices.

May 14th, 2007, 08:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 5,501	Saw a Fender Tweed Deluxe this weekend. There was some guy playing another amp right next to it so I didn't try it out. $1679.00. No way I'd pay that much for an amp that little. Should've asked the kid to play through the Tweed Deluxe. __________________ Nets-Jets-Giants

May 14th, 2007, 03:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
CancerLeoCam Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mule Deer-Mt. Lion Safari, CA Posts: 1,636 5 Photos	The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one. __________________ Everyone's your buddy when they want you or something from you. If you're not willing to work for free why should somebody else?

May 14th, 2007, 04:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
stantheman Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 4,555	Get someone to build You the Weber Kit. there's always someone on ebay that just completed another one played it for 20 hours to make sure it's cool and wants to sell it so they can build another. From what I gather people who have "the talent" to build 'em get quite addicted to the process of the build and burn-in. Next year when She loosens the purse strings...look out!!! 7 months two weeks three days and counting __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

May 15th, 2007, 01:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 5,501	Over $1700.00 is way too much for an amp that size for me. JMO You can't tell me that they can't make it for less money than that. C'mon now.... __________________ Nets-Jets-Giants

May 15th, 2007, 08:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
lpacilio Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 252	"The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways." Hey, CancerLeoCam, that's pure 100% unadultrated BS you're spreading. The 57 Deluxe is made by Fender in Corona. __________________ The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. - Hunter S. Thompson (RIP)

May 14th, 2007, 03:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,444	the TWeed Deluxe has proven in studios and stages around the world that it is not the physical sized that matters....it is the aural quality of the sonics. Cost??? Well, as one post in another thread noted....considering inflation, that new Fender probably costs about what the originals did back in the '50's. Of course, Fender products never were the least expensive option out there, were they? As they say, the proof is in the pudding. those original Tweeds are still chugging along...my '49 kicks butt and takes names. I just sold a recovered/restored '58 to a fellow in INdiana who is more than happy with the expenditure. If Fender did this one correctly, then more power to them. Imho, Billy G and Neil Young among countless others can't be wrong about the little Deluxe.

May 14th, 2007, 06:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
joe c Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 57 Posts: 114	The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one. That will pop that price right up if they discounted them.

May 15th, 2007, 02:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Joe M Moderator Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 972	"The 5E3 Deluxe will be discontinued as a "Fender" by 2009. It's a Victoria anyways. I have read of several people trying them out since it first appeared but I can't remember anybody posting they actually bought one." CancerLeoCam.....where did these statements come from??

May 15th, 2007, 09:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Bill Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 2,423 56 Photos	Maybe what's hard to justify is that you can get a silverface Twin Reverb for half that price, and it seems like so much more amp for so little money. Which it is. But tweed is like aural sex. __________________ B i l l B a e c k A journal of our year in London

May 16th, 2007, 09:04 AM	#15 (permalink)
fezz parka Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A town south of Bakersfield... Posts: 1,284 50 Photos	If I were to build someone a 5e3 usng a Weber Kit (this is purely hypothetical, I do not build amps for sale), this is a ballpark estimate of what it would cost: Weber kit = 490.00 10 hours labor @ 45.00 an hour = 450.00 total parts and labor = 940.00 Then there's babysitting it for the first 10 hours of playing it, making sure it all works. Then there's shipping it, and any applicable sales tax. So add another 100 bucks. So we're looking at around $1040.00 for an amp that I'm not building for myself.

May 16th, 2007, 09:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
lpacilio Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 252	This is a capitalist economy so it's really pretty simple... If you don't like the product or the price, don't buy it! __________________ The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. - Hunter S. Thompson (RIP)

May 16th, 2007, 09:29 AM	#17 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 5,501	Yeah, but this is an amp discussion board so we like to discuss new products that are on the market. __________________ Nets-Jets-Giants

May 16th, 2007, 10:04 AM	#18 (permalink)
fezz parka Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A town south of Bakersfield... Posts: 1,284 50 Photos	Amp = good. Talk= good.

May 16th, 2007, 02:00 PM	#22 (permalink)
Joe M Moderator Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 972	fezz, How does the Red Fang compare to the stock speaker?

May 16th, 2007, 02:50 PM	#23 (permalink)
fezz parka Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A town south of Bakersfield... Posts: 1,284 50 Photos	Well, mines built from a kit, it's not one of the Fender RI's. I will say that the Red Fang is light years ahead of the SS AlNiCo's that come with the kit, more volume, more bottom, just more of everything while still maintaining the AlNiCo vibe. The one thing about it is that it's a tight fit if you use big bottle 6v6's like JJ's. The tubes will make contact with the bell cover and it can't be removed. I have no trouble with clearance with my NOS RCA's. I wanted to run a Celestion Blue in it, but I worry about the 15 watt rating and burning a $250 speaker...

May 16th, 2007, 03:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
mad dog Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 668	At that price, without discounting, I'm not sure how Fender will compete. Not sure what Victoria's 20112 is going for, but Michael Clark's Beaufort with the Blue is under 1400. There are so many high-quality, very competitive examples of tweed deluxe types around ... I fail to see a compelling reason to give Fender the business at substantially higher prices.

May 16th, 2007, 03:05 PM	#25 (permalink)
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