traynor sound problems

teleray · May 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM

i use a traynor valve 80 amp i bought used. it has a new eminence legend and a used black shadow in it. it has been retubed ,biased ,went through by a good tech.the problem i have is i cant get that good clean sound unless my guitar is turned all the way up and the amp is running very loud. if i turn my guitar down the cleaness goes bye-bye and it sound a little fuzzy! any help, suggestions,any one else use these amps?

jh45gun · May 16th, 2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by teleray

i use a traynor valve 80 amp i bought used. it has a new eminence legend and a used black shadow in it. it has been retubed ,biased ,went through by a good tech.the problem i have is i cant get that good clean sound unless my guitar is turned all the way up and the amp is running very loud. if i turn my guitar down the cleaness goes bye-bye and it sound a little fuzzy! any help, suggestions,any one else use these amps?

Did ya try an other guitar and see if that made a difference?

145Guy · May 16th, 2007, 11:11 AM

After trying another guitar (good Idea) and depending on what your tech. has already done, find out what load (ohms out to speakers) is required for your amp, you can find this info on line under Yorkville Amplifiers. Then check to make sure the speakers are both rated the same (4-8-16 ohm, a volt meter will usually show a slightly lower reading than the speaker is rated for IE. an 8 ohm speaker will read around 6.2-7.2 ohms) and that they are wired correctly, with correct polarity. If that all checks out then it's time for your tech. to roll up his sleeves and figure it out. There are a lot of possible culprits in the circuit. Good luck.

teleray · May 16th, 2007, 12:51 PM

i did try my strat last saturday night and had the same result. the ohms on the speakers are the same however the eminece speaker is new and the blackshadow is not. could the blackshadow be "bad" and yet still work?

145Guy · May 16th, 2007, 01:59 PM

The fact that you get the best sound at high volume would make be believe the speakers are OK. But stanger things have happened...

teleray · May 17th, 2007, 09:47 AM

any one else here use one of these amps? i;am dsthinking its time to go back to fender!!!

Gene Machine · May 17th, 2007, 02:49 PM

if it is fuzzy when played quiet, then ok when loud, it might be a problem either with biasing or with bad power tubes. you might be getting crossover distortion. This is the distortion that happens when one tube stops pushing and the other starts pulling.if things are not matched right, it is not symmetrical and you will get unwanted effects. it will be more noticable when the volume is low, although the distortion itself should be roughly equal at all levels.

i would suggest having a different tech look at it. Traynor is great stuff. don't give up yet. i have a ycv40 and it's been great.

good luck

jjmantele · May 17th, 2007, 05:35 PM

Anyone see "How It's Made" episode that included Guitar Amps? They were making Traynors. They mentioned that they make both SS and Tube amps. The assembly process featured the production of a tube model.

A robot installed 95% of the components onto a PCB. A human inserted the others. Wave soldering was used which is probably standard on PCBs in general. Then the human installed the ribbon cables. The tube sockets were directly mounted to the PCB. I didn’t catch whether the controls are also PCB mounted.

Maybe older Traynors didn’t use some/all of these construction techniques, or maybe some tube models are not so “PCB,” but I felt like I was watching “How Computers are Made.”

145Guy · May 17th, 2007, 06:01 PM

"The tube sockets were directly mounted to the PCB. I didn’t catch whether the controls are also PCB mounted."

On the YCV40 the controls ARE mounted to the board but whats worse is the only thing (at least on this particular model) holding the 6L6 tube sockets in place is the solder on the CB, thats It! What kills me is, the tube sockets have the metal ring with mounting holes already on them. All they would have had to do is add spacers between the tube socket ring and the CB with a couple of screws and it would be rock solid, but no... that would cost the company another $12.47 a year! Thus if you like to change out power tubes to compare the sound or you routinely change power tubes in one of these amps you should consider the power tube sockets step 1 in diagnosing your next amp problem. Besides that it sounds great!

May 8th, 2007, 02:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
teleray TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kentucky Posts: 99	traynor sound problems i use a traynor valve 80 amp i bought used. it has a new eminence legend and a used black shadow in it. it has been retubed ,biased ,went through by a good tech.the problem i have is i cant get that good clean sound unless my guitar is turned all the way up and the amp is running very loud. if i turn my guitar down the cleaness goes bye-bye and it sound a little fuzzy! any help, suggestions,any one else use these amps?

May 16th, 2007, 11:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
145Guy Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way Upstate NY Posts: 122	After trying another guitar (good Idea) and depending on what your tech. has already done, find out what load (ohms out to speakers) is required for your amp, you can find this info on line under Yorkville Amplifiers. Then check to make sure the speakers are both rated the same (4-8-16 ohm, a volt meter will usually show a slightly lower reading than the speaker is rated for IE. an 8 ohm speaker will read around 6.2-7.2 ohms) and that they are wired correctly, with correct polarity. If that all checks out then it's time for your tech. to roll up his sleeves and figure it out. There are a lot of possible culprits in the circuit. Good luck. __________________ "Ahh...beer, the cause and the cure of all man's problems" Homer Simpson

May 16th, 2007, 01:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
145Guy Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way Upstate NY Posts: 122	The fact that you get the best sound at high volume would make be believe the speakers are OK. But stanger things have happened... __________________ "Ahh...beer, the cause and the cure of all man's problems" Homer Simpson

May 17th, 2007, 02:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gene Machine Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trenton, Ontario Posts: 313	might be the bias if it is fuzzy when played quiet, then ok when loud, it might be a problem either with biasing or with bad power tubes. you might be getting crossover distortion. This is the distortion that happens when one tube stops pushing and the other starts pulling.if things are not matched right, it is not symmetrical and you will get unwanted effects. it will be more noticable when the volume is low, although the distortion itself should be roughly equal at all levels. i would suggest having a different tech look at it. Traynor is great stuff. don't give up yet. i have a ycv40 and it's been great. good luck __________________ * I AM CANADIAN *

May 17th, 2007, 05:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
jjmantele Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 850	Anyone see "How It's Made" episode that included Guitar Amps? They were making Traynors. They mentioned that they make both SS and Tube amps. The assembly process featured the production of a tube model. A robot installed 95% of the components onto a PCB. A human inserted the others. Wave soldering was used which is probably standard on PCBs in general. Then the human installed the ribbon cables. The tube sockets were directly mounted to the PCB. I didn’t catch whether the controls are also PCB mounted. Maybe older Traynors didn’t use some/all of these construction techniques, or maybe some tube models are not so “PCB,” but I felt like I was watching “How Computers are Made.” __________________ JJman If it says "Vintage" on it -it isn't.

May 16th, 2007, 12:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
teleray TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kentucky Posts: 99	i did try my strat last saturday night and had the same result. the ohms on the speakers are the same however the eminece speaker is new and the blackshadow is not. could the blackshadow be "bad" and yet still work?

May 17th, 2007, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
teleray TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kentucky Posts: 99	any one else here use one of these amps? i;am dsthinking its time to go back to fender!!!

May 17th, 2007, 06:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
145Guy Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way Upstate NY Posts: 122	I wish I'd seen that episode. "The tube sockets were directly mounted to the PCB. I didn’t catch whether the controls are also PCB mounted." On the YCV40 the controls ARE mounted to the board but whats worse is the only thing (at least on this particular model) holding the 6L6 tube sockets in place is the solder on the CB, thats It! What kills me is, the tube sockets have the metal ring with mounting holes already on them. All they would have had to do is add spacers between the tube socket ring and the CB with a couple of screws and it would be rock solid, but no... that would cost the company another $12.47 a year! Thus if you like to change out power tubes to compare the sound or you routinely change power tubes in one of these amps you should consider the power tube sockets step 1 in diagnosing your next amp problem. Besides that it sounds great! __________________ "Ahh...beer, the cause and the cure of all man's problems" Homer Simpson