Anyone Have any experience with a Victoria 35310?

Bill E. · September 13th, 2003, 07:23 PM

I have a line on have a nice one, but have only ever played the 50 watt, 5E8A Tweed twin (50212, I think). I know the Bandmaster clone will break up earlier, and not have quite the same power, but could you jazz-gig it? Does it have the same outrageous chime and musicality as the Twin?

Thanks in advanced for any info!

Bill

Wally · September 13th, 2003, 11:20 PM

Bill, having had both the lo-power Tweed twin and the 5E7 Bandmaster, I feel the Bandmaster 'sings' a bit more than the Twin, probably due to the single versus the dual rectifier(Bandmaster vis-a-vis the tWin.) There is much that is similar when comparing the two...12AY7 preamp, same method of phase inversion. The rectification is the major difference. Both are great amps...the 5E7 is one of my faves, and the lo-power twin is not far behind. I would like to have them both back.

Paul B · September 13th, 2003, 11:52 PM

Can anyone compare the tone of the Tweed twin against the black face twin - what are the main differences ?

When the Tweed twin is pushed does it easily distort - I am referring to the50 watt model ?

Would the Tweed twin be good at handling clean rhythm work ?

Regards

Paul

redshoesjim · September 14th, 2003, 03:01 AM

A friend of mine has a victoria 35310T (band master) Ive played it and its a great amp . I have the victoria 45410T (bassman) but the band master is next on my list of things I want to buy ! If I were you I wouldnt pass up the opportunity to get one if the price is right !

Jim Collins · September 14th, 2003, 12:17 PM

The tones of the blackface Twin Reverb and the low powered (50 watt) tweed Twin are like day and night. The blackface Twin Reverb has the classic blackface sound -- loud, clean, bright, midrange dip, and a big, open, airy bottom end. The tweed Twin, on the other hand, is not as bright, has more mids, and the bottom end, while big, is not as open and airy as the blackface. With most blackface amps, people will leave the bass control down around 2 or 3. The bass is so big, that anything more than that is just too much. The blackface circuit passes a lot of low frequencies through.

The tweed has a more focused bottom end. It doesn't pass through as many of the very low frequencies that its blackface cousin passes through. Consequently, you can turn it up.

The top end of the tweed isn't as prominent or as piercing as the blackface top end can be. The tweed's is smoother. The tweed has a bit more in the midrange, as well.

A blackface Twin Reverb sounds great when played loud and clean. If anyone can tell you what a blackface Twin Reverb sounds like at breakup, he's probably wearing hearing aids in both ears. The tweed Twin, though, like most tweeds, really comes into its own at breakup. This amp likes to be played loud, though its version of loud and the blackface Twin Reverb loud are two different animals. It is a lot easier to get the tweed goosed.

Paul B · September 15th, 2003, 09:47 AM

Hi

Thanks for the detailed information. I wonder if there are any sound samples of teh tweed twin out there on the net.

Is anyone knows then please send me the link.

Regards

Paul

Nick Fanis · September 15th, 2003, 10:39 AM

A friend of mine who is a sailor brought one from the US (The only way to import one in my country cause a new one+shipping cost and tax costs around $6000!!) and frankly it is the best amp I've EVER heard.(the only one I liked more than my RIVERA QUIANA)
VERY clean w/ tons of headroom but way warmer sounding than a twin and ,what really hooked me on it,extremely pedal friendly (bf and sf twins are pedal unfriendly sometimes).
It also sounded great at LOW volume.
Maybe you should look there.

Tacobrown · September 15th, 2003, 07:39 PM

Go to www.proguitar.de for all of your boutique sound clip needs. I'm positive that he has that Victoria on file.

laseneca · September 15th, 2003, 08:37 PM

For a few years I watched Junior Watson and Kid Ramos and others, thinking they were getting their great tone from P90-equipped jazzboxes. You know the tone where the single notes sing and the ninth chords crunch. Then I auditioned Victoria, Dr. Z, Carr, Bogner, Bad Cat and Matchless amps at Westwood Music. The Victoria was the tone. I realized that most of the times I'd seen Junior, Kid and others, they'd been playing Victoria 45410s. (BTW, Kid, at one point, ran two.)
But for the clubs I play, the 45410 is just too loud. I eventually settled on the 35310 and it has been great. I can get west coast jump tones to Nashville clean to Bluesbreaker brown by changing the front end pedals. It's still a bit too loud for many places, if you want that sweet spot.
Doing it all over, I'd seriously consider a double deluxe (30212) or a single deluxe with two twelves (20212) for a bit extra headroom with the low power. Most of the players (at the LA TDPRI jams) who have heard the 35310 with the Brooks and Bardens have commented that it is one of the best Tele rigs they've heard. Using the Grosh with Fralin P90s produces a geat singing blues tone. The Girl Brand with a Cold Fusion or Klon gives a Clapton mid 60s tone. A 335 into the Bandmaster is BB for days at one end and Clapton at the other. Turn it down and it is perfect for jazz, even fingerstyle if you have the chops (I don't).
The sound is almost holographic in that it seems to swirl around the player guided by unseen hands. A wonderful amp.

Kerry Vance · September 15th, 2003, 09:20 PM

I have probably owned over 30 amps in my 40 years of playing. Some have come and gone quickly and a few were bought strictly to turn over for a quick although usually small profit. Now to the point -- my favorite amplifier out of all of those has been my 1959 3x10 Bandmaster which the Victoria 3x10's were based on. I have had numerous tweeds, blackfaces and boutique amps but always return to the Bandmaster as my favorite. I recently had some work done on it and sent it to Mark Bauer/Victoria. It came back better than it has ever sounded and I'm in love all over again.
Kerry

racehorse · September 15th, 2003, 11:55 PM

35310, 45410, Both GREAT!! , but my favorite was the 35210 or super clone. the amps are identical . the 310 has a little more head room because of the extra speaker. but it seemed to me the 210 ,had a voice all its own. which I liked better.
they are all very cool

TexGoneNW · September 16th, 2003, 01:37 AM

One of the three amps listed is this very model.

Paul B · September 16th, 2003, 08:34 AM

Thanks for the sound sample site. Great samples.

Does any on have any sound samples of a tweed twin ?

Regards

Paul

September 13th, 2003, 07:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bill E. Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western MA Posts: 289	Anyone Have any experience with a Victoria 35310? I have a line on have a nice one, but have only ever played the 50 watt, 5E8A Tweed twin (50212, I think). I know the Bandmaster clone will break up earlier, and not have quite the same power, but could you jazz-gig it? Does it have the same outrageous chime and musicality as the Twin? Thanks in advanced for any info! Bill __________________ Greetings from Shell Beach...

September 13th, 2003, 11:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Paul B Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 274	Black face twin Can anyone compare the tone of the Tweed twin against the black face twin - what are the main differences ? When the Tweed twin is pushed does it easily distort - I am referring to the50 watt model ? Would the Tweed twin be good at handling clean rhythm work ? Regards Paul __________________ Hipbluesman

September 14th, 2003, 03:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
redshoesjim Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: california Posts: 197	35310T A friend of mine has a victoria 35310T (band master) Ive played it and its a great amp . I have the victoria 45410T (bassman) but the band master is next on my list of things I want to buy ! If I were you I wouldnt pass up the opportunity to get one if the price is right !

September 15th, 2003, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Paul B Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 274	Sound samples Hi Thanks for the detailed information. I wonder if there are any sound samples of teh tweed twin out there on the net. Is anyone knows then please send me the link. Regards Paul __________________ Hipbluesman

September 15th, 2003, 10:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nick Fanis Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Athens-GREECE Posts: 1,799 14 Photos	I have tried the 80w twin and loved it! A friend of mine who is a sailor brought one from the US (The only way to import one in my country cause a new one+shipping cost and tax costs around $6000!!) and frankly it is the best amp I've EVER heard.(the only one I liked more than my RIVERA QUIANA) VERY clean w/ tons of headroom but way warmer sounding than a twin and ,what really hooked me on it,extremely pedal friendly (bf and sf twins are pedal unfriendly sometimes). It also sounded great at LOW volume. Maybe you should look there. __________________ "Hit him again Jack,he is crazy!" Hunter S.Thompson www.myspace.com/nickfanis

September 13th, 2003, 11:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 4,212	Bill, having had both the lo-power Tweed twin and the 5E7 Bandmaster, I feel the Bandmaster 'sings' a bit more than the Twin, probably due to the single versus the dual rectifier(Bandmaster vis-a-vis the tWin.) There is much that is similar when comparing the two...12AY7 preamp, same method of phase inversion. The rectification is the major difference. Both are great amps...the 5E7 is one of my faves, and the lo-power twin is not far behind. I would like to have them both back.

September 14th, 2003, 12:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jim Collins Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 309	The tones of the blackface Twin Reverb and the low powered (50 watt) tweed Twin are like day and night. The blackface Twin Reverb has the classic blackface sound -- loud, clean, bright, midrange dip, and a big, open, airy bottom end. The tweed Twin, on the other hand, is not as bright, has more mids, and the bottom end, while big, is not as open and airy as the blackface. With most blackface amps, people will leave the bass control down around 2 or 3. The bass is so big, that anything more than that is just too much. The blackface circuit passes a lot of low frequencies through. The tweed has a more focused bottom end. It doesn't pass through as many of the very low frequencies that its blackface cousin passes through. Consequently, you can turn it up. The top end of the tweed isn't as prominent or as piercing as the blackface top end can be. The tweed's is smoother. The tweed has a bit more in the midrange, as well. A blackface Twin Reverb sounds great when played loud and clean. If anyone can tell you what a blackface Twin Reverb sounds like at breakup, he's probably wearing hearing aids in both ears. The tweed Twin, though, like most tweeds, really comes into its own at breakup. This amp likes to be played loud, though its version of loud and the blackface Twin Reverb loud are two different animals. It is a lot easier to get the tweed goosed.

September 15th, 2003, 07:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tacobrown TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 27	Go to www.proguitar.de for all of your boutique sound clip needs. I'm positive that he has that Victoria on file.

September 15th, 2003, 08:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
laseneca TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: long beach, ca Posts: 31	35310 is fabulous For a few years I watched Junior Watson and Kid Ramos and others, thinking they were getting their great tone from P90-equipped jazzboxes. You know the tone where the single notes sing and the ninth chords crunch. Then I auditioned Victoria, Dr. Z, Carr, Bogner, Bad Cat and Matchless amps at Westwood Music. The Victoria was the tone. I realized that most of the times I'd seen Junior, Kid and others, they'd been playing Victoria 45410s. (BTW, Kid, at one point, ran two.) But for the clubs I play, the 45410 is just too loud. I eventually settled on the 35310 and it has been great. I can get west coast jump tones to Nashville clean to Bluesbreaker brown by changing the front end pedals. It's still a bit too loud for many places, if you want that sweet spot. Doing it all over, I'd seriously consider a double deluxe (30212) or a single deluxe with two twelves (20212) for a bit extra headroom with the low power. Most of the players (at the LA TDPRI jams) who have heard the 35310 with the Brooks and Bardens have commented that it is one of the best Tele rigs they've heard. Using the Grosh with Fralin P90s produces a geat singing blues tone. The Girl Brand with a Cold Fusion or Klon gives a Clapton mid 60s tone. A 335 into the Bandmaster is BB for days at one end and Clapton at the other. Turn it down and it is perfect for jazz, even fingerstyle if you have the chops (I don't). The sound is almost holographic in that it seems to swirl around the player guided by unseen hands. A wonderful amp.

September 15th, 2003, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kerry Vance Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: just north of Dallas Posts: 117 5 Photos	Bandmaster 3x10 I have probably owned over 30 amps in my 40 years of playing. Some have come and gone quickly and a few were bought strictly to turn over for a quick although usually small profit. Now to the point -- my favorite amplifier out of all of those has been my 1959 3x10 Bandmaster which the Victoria 3x10's were based on. I have had numerous tweeds, blackfaces and boutique amps but always return to the Bandmaster as my favorite. I recently had some work done on it and sent it to Mark Bauer/Victoria. It came back better than it has ever sounded and I'm in love all over again. Kerry

September 15th, 2003, 11:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
racehorse Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 144	I`ve played a ...... 35310, 45410, Both GREAT!! , but my favorite was the 35210 or super clone. the amps are identical . the 310 has a little more head room because of the extra speaker. but it seemed to me the 210 ,had a voice all its own. which I liked better. they are all very cool

September 16th, 2003, 01:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
TexGoneNW Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Victoria, TX Posts: 917 4 Photos	Check the Review Zone on THIS SITE! One of the three amps listed is this very model.

September 16th, 2003, 08:34 AM	#13 (permalink)
Paul B Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 274	Sound samples Thanks for the sound sample site. Great samples. Does any on have any sound samples of a tweed twin ? Regards Paul __________________ Hipbluesman