Marhall 18 klone, oh!

ol man · October 12th, 2006, 08:23 AM

I love el84´s with teles, I love simple.
Missed my old Traynor guitarmate and Voxes so I had to do something.
Now it´s finally coming together (made by a local builder) and it sounds great!
Love the cab I bought from tubetown Germany.
Wider than I thought, could almost take 2 12".
Very stable for one G12H 30 though.
I can go from cleanish country to rock n´roll rawness.
It´s a Marshall 18 watt-type amp with volume tone and cut. Thats it.
Will use it together with a mosFET based boost.
Can´t wait to try it out in band-rehearsal tonight...

tweeddeluxe · October 12th, 2006, 09:41 AM

Cool. Please tell me about the cut control.

Also, what's that little box next to the power tubes?

jhundt · October 12th, 2006, 12:02 PM

to plug in that speaker, or it won't sound like much....!

Looks like a beauty. I had a home-made 2 x EL84 amp, based on a Vox AC-30 TB design with a closed-back cab w/ one 15" JBL K130. That was a great amp. Hope yours makes you happy.

ol man · October 13th, 2006, 04:06 AM

The little box is just a little plate containing input
speaker jack and 4, 8, 16 ohm selector switch.

The cut works like on a Vox. Turn it up to cut high treble.
Here´s how I use it (I´m no tech):
If I turn down "tone" the bass sometimes gets a little
owerwhelming while playing chords.
I can then instead turn up the tone a little but
also tame the highest frequencies
with cut. Quite sophisticated for two knobs really.
Played the amp at rehearsal last night. I´m delighted!
I love Fender amps too but to me the sometimes are
to thin-sounding live. I now got a fatsounding alternative.
"Organic" is a cliché indeed, but that it is...
Cheers,

David Barnett · October 13th, 2006, 04:16 AM

18s are addictive.

Love those cabinets.

I really like the G12H30 (yours is the Heritage I see, mine's just the 70th Anniversary model) with these amps. It sounds good with a Fender Deluxe too.

ol man · October 13th, 2006, 04:30 AM

Yeah, I had a hard time choosing speaker but took a chance
on this one and I´m glad I did.
Full even sound without being harsh.

Don´t know much about Celestions but this one is from 1978.
Tried a vintage 30 first but didn´t like it at all with this amp.
Too much of both highs and lows.

mkg · October 13th, 2006, 01:30 PM

That's a very cool looking rig. I've got a Celestion G12H-30 in my Goodsell Super 17 (a 2xEL84 amp) and my Tele loves it, as do my LP and Strat.
I'm a recent 2xEL84 convert.
Now I realize what I've been missing all these years!

JohnnyCrash · October 13th, 2006, 09:24 PM

I recently finished my 18watt build as well.

I mod'ed it to run on 6V6's, and pretty much have turned the power section into a Fender Deluxe.

I've got a "double" version with four EL84's as well that I built.

I hear you on the V30s... but I am a V30 junkie, so I can't stop myself. I also liked the sound through my Jensen P15N AlNiCo 15"... my 6V6 18w will be in a small easy to carry cab with a single 12" Eminence Tonkerlite that's just sitting in a box here.

Great sounding circuit... let us know how it sounded in band rehearsal!

ol man · October 16th, 2006, 04:42 AM

Sounded fan-krreeeang!-tastic.
Although not necessary I put a mic in front for just a "little extra"
through the PA.
I´m old and in my youth I had 50-100 watters on stage,
but in those days PA´s were to weak to be used for anything but voice.
I´m very grateful you can get such good amps ptp homebuilt nowadays.
In the 70´s guys rebuilt Fenders with cascading gain stages,
7 confusing volume-pots and what not... (aka the Boogie-plague)
All distortion, no tone.
My Marshall 18 is built with a little more headroom than "stock".
This is because I usually think it´s a to big a difference
between amps with two and with four El84´s.
Sometimes the 15-18 watt is to weak and 30 watt is to much for me.
I really like the way the volume works on this amp.
At "6" it´s already as loud as can be. From then on it´s just
more powertube filth added...

ol man · October 16th, 2006, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkg

That's a very cool looking rig. I've got a Celestion G12H-30 in my Goodsell Super 17 (a 2xEL84 amp) and my Tele loves it, as do my LP and Strat.
I'm a recent 2xEL84 convert.
Now I realize what I've been missing all these years!

I got curious and listened to the sounds of Goodsell here:
http://www.superseventeen.com/sounds.html
Wow, sounds great with that strat!
Congrats on a fine amp!

mkg · October 16th, 2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ol man

I got curious and listened to the sounds of Goodsell here:
http://www.superseventeen.com/sounds.html
Wow, sounds great with that strat!
Congrats on a fine amp!

Thanks! The first few clips were done by Joe Davies...they're the ones that ultimately sold me on the amp.
The last clip (Super 17 & Mark Gordon) is me using my Les Paul. The amp is very versatile, great for live playing and for recording.
Congrats to yourself on a fine amp as well!

October 12th, 2006, 08:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
ol man Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 247	tone of a 18 clone I love el84´s with teles, I love simple. Missed my old Traynor guitarmate and Voxes so I had to do something. Now it´s finally coming together (made by a local builder) and it sounds great! Love the cab I bought from tubetown Germany. Wider than I thought, could almost take 2 12". Very stable for one G12H 30 though. I can go from cleanish country to rock n´roll rawness. It´s a Marshall 18 watt-type amp with volume tone and cut. Thats it. Will use it together with a mosFET based boost. Can´t wait to try it out in band-rehearsal tonight... Last edited by ol man; October 15th, 2006 at 12:11 PM.

October 12th, 2006, 12:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
jhundt Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Age: 54 Posts: 3,010 9 Photos	Don't forget - to plug in that speaker, or it won't sound like much....! Looks like a beauty. I had a home-made 2 x EL84 amp, based on a Vox AC-30 TB design with a closed-back cab w/ one 15" JBL K130. That was a great amp. Hope yours makes you happy.

October 13th, 2006, 04:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
ol man Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 247	The little box is just a little plate containing input speaker jack and 4, 8, 16 ohm selector switch. The cut works like on a Vox. Turn it up to cut high treble. Here´s how I use it (I´m no tech): If I turn down "tone" the bass sometimes gets a little owerwhelming while playing chords. I can then instead turn up the tone a little but also tame the highest frequencies with cut. Quite sophisticated for two knobs really. Played the amp at rehearsal last night. I´m delighted! I love Fender amps too but to me the sometimes are to thin-sounding live. I now got a fatsounding alternative. "Organic" is a cliché indeed, but that it is... Cheers, Last edited by ol man; October 13th, 2006 at 05:34 AM.

October 12th, 2006, 09:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
tweeddeluxe Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MD Age: 51 Posts: 735	Cool. Please tell me about the cut control. Also, what's that little box next to the power tubes?

October 13th, 2006, 04:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
David Barnett Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: LIttle Rock, AR Age: 52 Posts: 5,429	18s are addictive. Love those cabinets. I really like the G12H30 (yours is the Heritage I see, mine's just the 70th Anniversary model) with these amps. It sounds good with a Fender Deluxe too.

October 13th, 2006, 04:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
ol man Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 247	Yeah, I had a hard time choosing speaker but took a chance on this one and I´m glad I did. Full even sound without being harsh. Don´t know much about Celestions but this one is from 1978. Tried a vintage 30 first but didn´t like it at all with this amp. Too much of both highs and lows.

October 13th, 2006, 01:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
mkg Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 164	That's a very cool looking rig. I've got a Celestion G12H-30 in my Goodsell Super 17 (a 2xEL84 amp) and my Tele loves it, as do my LP and Strat. I'm a recent 2xEL84 convert. Now I realize what I've been missing all these years!

October 13th, 2006, 09:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lost Angeles and Orange County Posts: 7,128	I recently finished my 18watt build as well. I mod'ed it to run on 6V6's, and pretty much have turned the power section into a Fender Deluxe. I've got a "double" version with four EL84's as well that I built. I hear you on the V30s... but I am a V30 junkie, so I can't stop myself. I also liked the sound through my Jensen P15N AlNiCo 15"... my 6V6 18w will be in a small easy to carry cab with a single 12" Eminence Tonkerlite that's just sitting in a box here. Great sounding circuit... let us know how it sounded in band rehearsal!

October 16th, 2006, 04:42 AM	#9 (permalink)
ol man Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 247	Sounded fan-krreeeang!-tastic. Although not necessary I put a mic in front for just a "little extra" through the PA. I´m old and in my youth I had 50-100 watters on stage, but in those days PA´s were to weak to be used for anything but voice. I´m very grateful you can get such good amps ptp homebuilt nowadays. In the 70´s guys rebuilt Fenders with cascading gain stages, 7 confusing volume-pots and what not... (aka the Boogie-plague) All distortion, no tone. My Marshall 18 is built with a little more headroom than "stock". This is because I usually think it´s a to big a difference between amps with two and with four El84´s. Sometimes the 15-18 watt is to weak and 30 watt is to much for me. I really like the way the volume works on this amp. At "6" it´s already as loud as can be. From then on it´s just more powertube filth added...