Deluxe Rev Vs Twin Rev

aznxtasy341 · October 4th, 2006, 10:13 PM

is there a major difference in tone between the DRRI and TRRI?

other than the twin being twice as loud. and a mid knob

JohnnyCrash · October 4th, 2006, 10:23 PM

Yes there is.

1. 6V6 versus 6L6 power tubes.
2. Headroom/breakup/overdrive/clean tones will all be different.
3. 1x12" versus 2x12".
4. The circuits are NOT similar enough to run down as a Mid knob being a simple difference (by the way, how Mid controls work on amps is interesting reading, Google "baxandall" tone controls and to see what I mean - if the article compares it to a normal guitar amp's tonestack).

Two very different amps... but with all guitarplayers, tone is very subjective.

You'd always see them old blues players just plug into anything on hand without batting an eyelash (and sometimes their tone just flat out sucked!!)... you may like both, or only one of them, or you may even think they sound similar enough to not bother with the details - afterall, some folks love SS amps, modeling amps, or tube amps differently.

tazzboy · October 4th, 2006, 11:29 PM

You also forgot to mention Johnny

Deluxe Reverb is about 22 watts and Twin Reverb are 85 to 100 watts.

tazzboy · October 4th, 2006, 11:30 PM

ALso there is difference in wattage too 22 to 30 for the Deluxe Reverb and 85 to 130 watts for the Twin Reverb

Tremo · October 5th, 2006, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazzboy

ALso there is difference in wattage too 22 to 30 for the Deluxe Reverb and 85 to 130 watts for the Twin Reverb

Deluxe Reverb is in the vicinity of 20 Watts. 30 Watts no way.

The tone stack and preamp design between a Deluxe and a Twin are nearly identical. Very similarly voiced, but radically different power supplies and output sections.

jdfoosh357 · October 5th, 2006, 01:48 PM

A Twin will fill the room better, sound fuller, deeper. I like twins even at very low volumes for practicing. The limitations, if they pertain to your sound.....a twin will never overdrive like a deluxe (at reasonable volumes), twins are bigger/heavier to transport.

If you play clean and have a good back......get a twin.

Wally · October 5th, 2006, 02:17 PM

The DR will do clean TR sounds at a low volume. The TR will not do the power tube heat that a DR will do at higher volumes.....or by the time the TR does start to yield power tube distortion, you would best be in a large space or outdoors.

tazzboy · October 5th, 2006, 03:27 PM

If you get the Current Professional Tube Pro Twin it has 100 watts and 1/4 power switch which will make it 25 watts for clubs and bedroom playing.

leewhit · October 5th, 2006, 05:53 PM

I always felt Deluxes were more "in your face". Anyone else hear it this way?

beachkos · October 5th, 2006, 07:37 PM

or not so humble opinion

It seems to me, after playing for over 40 years, that the Twin is the amp by which all other amps are compared and judged. I believe the Twin sets the gold standard for an all around amp and welcomes all challengers to take their place in line behind it. Why are so many amps described as "having a Twin sound", or "resembles a small version of a Twin", or "sounds like a Twin at low volume" ? Why are so many amps advertised as being "almost like a Twin" ? Boutique amps. modeling amps, and DSP's all try to emulate the Twin. The bottom line is a Twin is a Twin is a Twin - anything else is just an impostor or wanna-be - Fender may not have always gotten everything "right" in all it's years, but the one thing they did get right remains the benchmark in the industry, be it Tweed, Black Face, Silver face, or re-issue.. Fender and other manufacturers have produced many fine amps throughout the years, but trust me, there ain't nothing like a Twin.

My 40th Anniversary Re-issue Twin

aznxtasy341 · October 5th, 2006, 08:30 PM

so for a bout 300 dollars difference, the twin should be my path?

as a side thing: i mainly play piano, so it'd be good if i could use this as a keyboard amp too. fender makes a twin with a 15" speaker, if i want to put a keyboard through it as well, is this my tree?

Tremo · October 5th, 2006, 10:07 PM

Guitar amps and keyboard amps are voiced differently. Keyboard amps are more of a flat response. Fender guitar amps have a fair amount of mid scoop.

wilerty · October 9th, 2006, 06:11 PM

beackkos: Could not have said it better. I've also been playing over 40 years, but haven't been playing out since the 60s, when I had a Bandmaster. I could never rationalize a Twin for my basement so I've had Princeton Chorus, Deluxe, Cyber-Champ, and Hot Rod Deluxe, and several other Fender Amps I can't remember. Recently an opportunity came up to pick up a TRRI and I bought it and sold my HRDX (also a great amp). I laughed at my self, but it sounds great ... even at 2. I play through a Boss ME-50.

Last Friday I was at GC and did a ABC comparison between the HRDX, a DRRI, and a TRRI. The Twin was clearly the best and I actually preferred the HRDX to the DRRI. If you can handle the weight, look around for a good deal on a TRRI. If not, at least try a HRDX ... it might surprise you ... and the price is right.

tiktok · October 9th, 2006, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beachkos

or not so humble opinion

It seems to me, after playing for over 40 years, that the Twin is the amp by which all other amps are compared and judged. I believe the Twin sets the gold standard for an all around amp and welcomes all challengers to take their place in line behind it.

That's probably why Jim Marshall, for one, cries himself to sleep every night--his inability to better the Twin Reverb.

Darrell · October 10th, 2006, 02:11 PM

I love my DRRI, but if you play a Twin for more than 5 minutes at a reasonable volume, you will realize it is something special. It is clearly the muscle behiine the Fender sound. So cutting and clear, almost uphoric. (sp)

beachkos · October 10th, 2006, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiktok

That's probably why Jim Marshall, for one, cries himself to sleep every night--his inability to better the Twin Reverb.

As I stated, there are certainly some very good amps out there other than The Twin, and I'm sure Jim Marshall sleeps very well at night, sheds no tears, and is very content with the fact that he and his amps will always be Number 2 compared to Fender - however, his daughter Victoria, his successor, suffers from incurable insomnia, due to the fact that she knows Marshall will never better The Twin in her lifetime

Regards, Gary

63dot · October 10th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznxtasy341

is there a major difference in tone between the DRRI and TRRI?

other than the twin being twice as loud. and a mid knob

can't stand the twin unless i need to play it very loud when the character comes out

with a deluxe, you can get that character at a much lower volume and if you are in a club and the deluxe is not loud enough, mike it through the PA system

Rich Rice · October 11th, 2006, 12:16 AM

I've certainly had my share of Fender amps, including the Professional Tube Series 100 watt Twin. (By the way, it was a fabulous amp) I currently have all bases covered, and although the amps differ electrically, the lineup is pure heaven, and each one picks up where the other leaves off.

1972 Deluxe Reverb - 22 watts through a JBL K-120
1974 Pro Reverb - 45 watts through a pair of 12" Jensen Neo's
1972 Vibrosonic Reverb - 100 watts through EVM 15L

Silver face Fenders are workhorses, and I LOVE the tone.

Having the Twin was redundant, but I loved that one, too.

Telewringer · October 11th, 2006, 05:21 AM

I have been playing county since the 70's and have used both the Deluxe and the Twin. To tell you the truth to me a Deluxe sounds just the same
as a Twin, it's just the Twin has enough power to work almost any venue
you can imagine, where a Deluxe is a bit more calmer, and more sutible to
smaller venues, and as listed earlier they tend to start to break up
a bit more earlier on the higher volume than a Twin. I now use a 70's Silver Face Twin and I love it. Yes it is heavy to carry, but the tone is just so good. Puts the Twang in your Tele for that nice Brent Mason tone.

aznxtasy341 · October 11th, 2006, 08:32 PM

new question: has anyone ever tried the epiphone blues custom? is it any louder than the DRRI? hows the drive channel and break up

jdfoosh357 · October 11th, 2006, 11:54 PM

I spent the last weekend trying out amps at my Guitar Center, here are my very generalized experiences....

The Deluxe and the Twin (both SF, non-master volumes) were very similar in the tone stack, as said above. Both are very sparkly and have a scooped midrange, what I think of when I hear classic Fender sounds. The Twin, however, moves a lot more air and fills the room a lot easier, even at low volumes. The Deluxe will start to break up at about half volume, and the Twin will sound clean and big all the way.

I also tried some SF Vibroluxes and they sounded great too. It's a punchier, more "in your face" sound. Less scooped, more mids, a very good tele sound. While the SFVR is punchier, which is a positive for me, it can't get as low as an amp with a 12" speaker. So there are obviously tradeoffs. The Vibrolux seemed to move more air than the Deluxe at comparable volumes. I can see a reason to have this amp as well as a Deluxe or a Twin.

Size and weight is another story...

wilerty · October 14th, 2006, 09:11 AM

jdfoosh357: If you were at a Guitar Center and trying a Twin at over half volume ... they must have loved you there ...

The Vibrolux is infamous for being noisy, does not have the low end of a Twin and costs almost as much. It does weigh 19 lbs less.

jdfoosh357 · October 14th, 2006, 11:39 AM

Haaaaa, ya I can see how they might have been annoyed. I did give like an hour trial to each of 4 different amps. Hey, I try before I buy. But I came home with a '69 DR, so my sales guy was happy at least.

Jon

October 4th, 2006, 10:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
aznxtasy341 Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 480	Deluxe Rev Vs Twin Rev is there a major difference in tone between the DRRI and TRRI? other than the twin being twice as loud. and a mid knob

October 4th, 2006, 11:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 3,188	You also forgot to mention Johnny Deluxe Reverb is about 22 watts and Twin Reverb are 85 to 100 watts. __________________ tazzboy

October 4th, 2006, 11:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 3,188	ALso there is difference in wattage too 22 to 30 for the Deluxe Reverb and 85 to 130 watts for the Twin Reverb __________________ tazzboy

October 5th, 2006, 03:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 3,188	If you get the Current Professional Tube Pro Twin it has 100 watts and 1/4 power switch which will make it 25 watts for clubs and bedroom playing. __________________ tazzboy

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leewhit Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: baltimore,md. Posts: 106	I always felt Deluxes were more "in your face". Anyone else hear it this way? __________________ leewhit

October 4th, 2006, 10:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lost Angeles and Orange County Posts: 7,128	Yes there is. 1. 6V6 versus 6L6 power tubes. 2. Headroom/breakup/overdrive/clean tones will all be different. 3. 1x12" versus 2x12". 4. The circuits are NOT similar enough to run down as a Mid knob being a simple difference (by the way, how Mid controls work on amps is interesting reading, Google "baxandall" tone controls and to see what I mean - if the article compares it to a normal guitar amp's tonestack). Two very different amps... but with all guitarplayers, tone is very subjective. You'd always see them old blues players just plug into anything on hand without batting an eyelash (and sometimes their tone just flat out sucked!!)... you may like both, or only one of them, or you may even think they sound similar enough to not bother with the details - afterall, some folks love SS amps, modeling amps, or tube amps differently.

October 5th, 2006, 01:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
jdfoosh357 Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 566	A Twin will fill the room better, sound fuller, deeper. I like twins even at very low volumes for practicing. The limitations, if they pertain to your sound.....a twin will never overdrive like a deluxe (at reasonable volumes), twins are bigger/heavier to transport. If you play clean and have a good back......get a twin.

October 5th, 2006, 02:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 4,028	The DR will do clean TR sounds at a low volume. The TR will not do the power tube heat that a DR will do at higher volumes.....or by the time the TR does start to yield power tube distortion, you would best be in a large space or outdoors.

October 5th, 2006, 07:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
beachkos Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newburgh, New York Age: 54 Posts: 628 5 Photos	Just my humble opinion..... or not so humble opinion It seems to me, after playing for over 40 years, that the Twin is the amp by which all other amps are compared and judged. I believe the Twin sets the gold standard for an all around amp and welcomes all challengers to take their place in line behind it. Why are so many amps described as "having a Twin sound", or "resembles a small version of a Twin", or "sounds like a Twin at low volume" ? Why are so many amps advertised as being "almost like a Twin" ? Boutique amps. modeling amps, and DSP's all try to emulate the Twin. The bottom line is a Twin is a Twin is a Twin - anything else is just an impostor or wanna-be - Fender may not have always gotten everything "right" in all it's years, but the one thing they did get right remains the benchmark in the industry, be it Tweed, Black Face, Silver face, or re-issue.. Fender and other manufacturers have produced many fine amps throughout the years, but trust me, there ain't nothing like a Twin. My 40th Anniversary Re-issue Twin __________________ "The key to avoiding a shark attack isn't necessarily in being able to swim faster than the shark, rather the key lies in being able to swim faster than the person you're swimming with. " Beachkos - circa 1972

October 5th, 2006, 08:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
aznxtasy341 Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 480	so for a bout 300 dollars difference, the twin should be my path? as a side thing: i mainly play piano, so it'd be good if i could use this as a keyboard amp too. fender makes a twin with a 15" speaker, if i want to put a keyboard through it as well, is this my tree?

October 5th, 2006, 10:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tremo Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA Posts: 3,767	Guitar amps and keyboard amps are voiced differently. Keyboard amps are more of a flat response. Fender guitar amps have a fair amount of mid scoop.

October 9th, 2006, 06:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
wilerty TDPRI Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Age: 62 Posts: 71	beackkos: Could not have said it better. I've also been playing over 40 years, but haven't been playing out since the 60s, when I had a Bandmaster. I could never rationalize a Twin for my basement so I've had Princeton Chorus, Deluxe, Cyber-Champ, and Hot Rod Deluxe, and several other Fender Amps I can't remember. Recently an opportunity came up to pick up a TRRI and I bought it and sold my HRDX (also a great amp). I laughed at my self, but it sounds great ... even at 2. I play through a Boss ME-50. Last Friday I was at GC and did a ABC comparison between the HRDX, a DRRI, and a TRRI. The Twin was clearly the best and I actually preferred the HRDX to the DRRI. If you can handle the weight, look around for a good deal on a TRRI. If not, at least try a HRDX ... it might surprise you ... and the price is right.

October 10th, 2006, 02:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Darrell Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Age: 48 Posts: 2,498	I love my DRRI, but if you play a Twin for more than 5 minutes at a reasonable volume, you will realize it is something special. It is clearly the muscle behiine the Fender sound. So cutting and clear, almost uphoric. (sp) __________________ "Yeap, I like the American Standard Telecaster, I can even live with one a them PCB amps, and I even use one a them mul-tie-effects things too."

October 11th, 2006, 12:16 AM	#18 (permalink)
Rich Rice Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In a dream world.. Just ask my wife. Age: 53 Posts: 2,598 11 Photos	I've certainly had my share of Fender amps, including the Professional Tube Series 100 watt Twin. (By the way, it was a fabulous amp) I currently have all bases covered, and although the amps differ electrically, the lineup is pure heaven, and each one picks up where the other leaves off. 1972 Deluxe Reverb - 22 watts through a JBL K-120 1974 Pro Reverb - 45 watts through a pair of 12" Jensen Neo's 1972 Vibrosonic Reverb - 100 watts through EVM 15L Silver face Fenders are workhorses, and I LOVE the tone. Having the Twin was redundant, but I loved that one, too. __________________ Please visit my website! If you are driven to play, you will find a way.

October 11th, 2006, 05:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
Telewringer Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lincoln NZ Posts: 122	I have been playing county since the 70's and have used both the Deluxe and the Twin. To tell you the truth to me a Deluxe sounds just the same as a Twin, it's just the Twin has enough power to work almost any venue you can imagine, where a Deluxe is a bit more calmer, and more sutible to smaller venues, and as listed earlier they tend to start to break up a bit more earlier on the higher volume than a Twin. I now use a 70's Silver Face Twin and I love it. Yes it is heavy to carry, but the tone is just so good. Puts the Twang in your Tele for that nice Brent Mason tone.

October 11th, 2006, 08:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
aznxtasy341 Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 480	new question: has anyone ever tried the epiphone blues custom? is it any louder than the DRRI? hows the drive channel and break up

October 11th, 2006, 11:54 PM	#21 (permalink)
jdfoosh357 Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 566	I spent the last weekend trying out amps at my Guitar Center, here are my very generalized experiences.... The Deluxe and the Twin (both SF, non-master volumes) were very similar in the tone stack, as said above. Both are very sparkly and have a scooped midrange, what I think of when I hear classic Fender sounds. The Twin, however, moves a lot more air and fills the room a lot easier, even at low volumes. The Deluxe will start to break up at about half volume, and the Twin will sound clean and big all the way. I also tried some SF Vibroluxes and they sounded great too. It's a punchier, more "in your face" sound. Less scooped, more mids, a very good tele sound. While the SFVR is punchier, which is a positive for me, it can't get as low as an amp with a 12" speaker. So there are obviously tradeoffs. The Vibrolux seemed to move more air than the Deluxe at comparable volumes. I can see a reason to have this amp as well as a Deluxe or a Twin. Size and weight is another story...

October 14th, 2006, 09:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
wilerty TDPRI Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Age: 62 Posts: 71	jdfoosh357: If you were at a Guitar Center and trying a Twin at over half volume ... they must have loved you there ... The Vibrolux is infamous for being noisy, does not have the low end of a Twin and costs almost as much. It does weigh 19 lbs less.

October 14th, 2006, 11:39 AM	#23 (permalink)
jdfoosh357 Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 566	Haaaaa, ya I can see how they might have been annoyed. I did give like an hour trial to each of 4 different amps. Hey, I try before I buy. But I came home with a '69 DR, so my sales guy was happy at least. Jon