Deluxe Reverb vs Deluxe...

jvc · August 17th, 2003, 03:02 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed before, this is my first post on Amp Central. What is the difference power wise and sound wise between a 63-67 Deluxe Reverb and a Deluxe amp from the same era (except for the reverb, obviously). Thanks! jvc

Big Cookie · August 17th, 2003, 03:32 PM

The Reverb is what most players seem to want. I can't stand the stuff personally. The non verb Deluxe will have a sweetness that is in all the non verb BF Fenders that just can't be beat in my book. The high end is not harsh at all. To me the verb sucks out the tone and makes the high end harsh. This is why I stay with non verb amps and I don't build any reverb amps either. What is the exact Danny Gatton quote? Something like "If you want reverb turn it up."

Tremo · August 17th, 2003, 03:56 PM

To answer the question, the Deluxe and Deluxe Reverb of the same era have the same power output. About 20-22 Watts into 8 ohms.

jvc · August 18th, 2003, 09:17 AM

Thanks guys, I have a 64 DR that I'm keeping, but don't use the reverb anymore. Looking at a 65 Deluxe and wondering what is function of the DR reverb tube in the Deluxe. Thanks again! jvc

Tim Griffin · August 28th, 2003, 11:12 PM

the Deluxe Reverb has an additional gain stage that improves the sound over a Deluxe.

Big Cookie · August 29th, 2003, 12:10 AM

The "extra gain stage" sucks the organic voice out of the amp. Give me a plain ol Deluxe any day. YMMV

EMan · August 29th, 2003, 09:27 PM

Learn something new every day... :D Cookie's a dern reliable source though..too bad about his reverbphobia... :D

I don't believe that the 'extra gain stage' actually is 'extra'..it just sompensates for losses that the non verb doesn't have.

Personally, I think the verb in DR's especially are supreme. My 72 DR is heavenly.

My old Princeton (brown) is also great sounding...but it takes me a little time to re-aclimate myself to non verb tone.

I also don't think that any two amps are the same...and you ought to let your ears judge each particular case.

Ted M · August 30th, 2003, 01:50 PM

I have a '65 Deluxe-Amp (with a Weber C12N), and it's the best amp I've ever owned. Big sound, never harsh, surprisingly loud, GREAT with a Tele, but also terrific with my humbucker loaded guitars or with P90's. I play all kinds of roots music- blues, alt country, old school R&B, jazz (which I think of as roots music) and the Deluxe is excellent for all of it. It will even cut through a three piece horn section! I use a Boss Dm2 analog delay, but as Cookie says, you don't really need it when you turn it up.

Lately I've been thinking of selling my BF Pro Reverb and picking up a Deluxe Reverb to see how I like it (I've never owned one). I'll bet the two together would be something else.

VoodooVox · August 30th, 2003, 03:08 PM

A timely topic for a non verb guy! Right now I am looking at picking up a '66 Princeton that is all original and very nice or a '64 Deluxe with a changed out speaker, missing lower back panel and fret cloth is beginning to look a bit ratty. Priced within $100.00 of each other. This amp will only be used at home. Which way to go?

Lyle Caldwell · August 30th, 2003, 04:22 PM

VoodooVox,
Can you play each amp before deciding? That's the way to tell.
I'd rather have a good sounding Deluxe than a good sounding Princeton, but until you play them both, you don't know if either sounds good.

BrianF · August 30th, 2003, 05:25 PM

...Reverb...and like it alot...but it seems that once people get one they spend alot of time thinking about how to mod it to get more power...make it more like a Deluxe...so maybe you are right ...go for the nice sounding Deluxe

idylldon · August 31st, 2003, 12:11 AM

Shoot me an email if you're interested in trading the Pro for a '64 BFDR (perhaps we can work out the details over the phone). I sent you a private message, but haven't had ANY luck with those on this board.

Cheers,
--
Don

AtomicMassUnit · September 6th, 2003, 11:52 PM

The main thing is the Reverb model has more gain in the preamp. Howeverb, the plain old Deluxe can be modified slightly (lose the vibrato) to have more power and girth if you want. The details are in Gerald Weber's book. I really like the sound of both. Just picked up a silver Deluxe Reverb and blackfaced it, very impressive.

Atomic

KC · September 7th, 2003, 12:04 PM

with the non-verb deluxe, you can jumper the two channels together, which will give you all the girth a guy could stand.

or you can do what I do: gtr - ch1 in - ch1 out (via second input jack) to little lanilei spring reverb box - ch 2 input. a little more subtle than just putting the reverb box between guitar and amp, though that works fine when you don't want to be subtle.

August 17th, 2003, 03:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
jvc Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SOCAL Posts: 524	Deluxe Reverb vs Deluxe... Sorry if this has been discussed before, this is my first post on Amp Central. What is the difference power wise and sound wise between a 63-67 Deluxe Reverb and a Deluxe amp from the same era (except for the reverb, obviously). Thanks! jvc

August 17th, 2003, 03:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Big Cookie Banned Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ennis, Texas Posts: 693	Deluxe vs Deluxe Reverb The Reverb is what most players seem to want. I can't stand the stuff personally. The non verb Deluxe will have a sweetness that is in all the non verb BF Fenders that just can't be beat in my book. The high end is not harsh at all. To me the verb sucks out the tone and makes the high end harsh. This is why I stay with non verb amps and I don't build any reverb amps either. What is the exact Danny Gatton quote? Something like "If you want reverb turn it up."

August 18th, 2003, 09:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
jvc Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SOCAL Posts: 524	One more question..... Thanks guys, I have a 64 DR that I'm keeping, but don't use the reverb anymore. Looking at a 65 Deluxe and wondering what is function of the DR reverb tube in the Deluxe. Thanks again! jvc

August 28th, 2003, 11:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tim Griffin TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 81	actually they are different... the Deluxe Reverb has an additional gain stage that improves the sound over a Deluxe.

August 29th, 2003, 12:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
Big Cookie Banned Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ennis, Texas Posts: 693	Improvement is in the ears of the beholder The "extra gain stage" sucks the organic voice out of the amp. Give me a plain ol Deluxe any day. YMMV

August 17th, 2003, 03:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tremo Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA Posts: 3,643	To answer the question, the Deluxe and Deluxe Reverb of the same era have the same power output. About 20-22 Watts into 8 ohms.

August 29th, 2003, 09:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
EMan Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 939	"Organic life"? Learn something new every day... :D Cookie's a dern reliable source though..too bad about his reverbphobia... :D I don't believe that the 'extra gain stage' actually is 'extra'..it just sompensates for losses that the non verb doesn't have. Personally, I think the verb in DR's especially are supreme. My 72 DR is heavenly. My old Princeton (brown) is also great sounding...but it takes me a little time to re-aclimate myself to non verb tone. I also don't think that any two amps are the same...and you ought to let your ears judge each particular case.

August 30th, 2003, 01:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ted M TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 23	non-verb Deluxe I have a '65 Deluxe-Amp (with a Weber C12N), and it's the best amp I've ever owned. Big sound, never harsh, surprisingly loud, GREAT with a Tele, but also terrific with my humbucker loaded guitars or with P90's. I play all kinds of roots music- blues, alt country, old school R&B, jazz (which I think of as roots music) and the Deluxe is excellent for all of it. It will even cut through a three piece horn section! I use a Boss Dm2 analog delay, but as Cookie says, you don't really need it when you turn it up. Lately I've been thinking of selling my BF Pro Reverb and picking up a Deluxe Reverb to see how I like it (I've never owned one). I'll bet the two together would be something else.

August 30th, 2003, 03:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
VoodooVox TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South of Door Posts: 97	A timely topic for a non verb guy! Right now I am looking at picking up a '66 Princeton that is all original and very nice or a '64 Deluxe with a changed out speaker, missing lower back panel and fret cloth is beginning to look a bit ratty. Priced within $100.00 of each other. This amp will only be used at home. Which way to go?

August 30th, 2003, 04:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lyle Caldwell Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 535	VoodooVox, Can you play each amp before deciding? That's the way to tell. I'd rather have a good sounding Deluxe than a good sounding Princeton, but until you play them both, you don't know if either sounds good. __________________ "Everybody sings about Memphis, but nobody ever does anything about it."

August 30th, 2003, 05:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
BrianF Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Carlsbad, Ca Posts: 2,116 7 Photos	I have a Princeton ... ...Reverb...and like it alot...but it seems that once people get one they spend alot of time thinking about how to mod it to get more power...make it more like a Deluxe...so maybe you are right ...go for the nice sounding Deluxe

August 31st, 2003, 12:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
idylldon Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Idyllwild, CA Posts: 102	ATTN: Ted M Shoot me an email if you're interested in trading the Pro for a '64 BFDR (perhaps we can work out the details over the phone). I sent you a private message, but haven't had ANY luck with those on this board. Cheers, -- Don

September 6th, 2003, 11:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
AtomicMassUnit Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 153	The main thing is the Reverb model has more gain in the preamp. Howeverb, the plain old Deluxe can be modified slightly (lose the vibrato) to have more power and girth if you want. The details are in Gerald Weber's book. I really like the sound of both. Just picked up a silver Deluxe Reverb and blackfaced it, very impressive. Atomic

September 7th, 2003, 12:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
KC Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Missoula, Montana Posts: 1,224 15 Photos	here's a trick or two with the non-verb deluxe, you can jumper the two channels together, which will give you all the girth a guy could stand. or you can do what I do: gtr - ch1 in - ch1 out (via second input jack) to little lanilei spring reverb box - ch 2 input. a little more subtle than just putting the reverb box between guitar and amp, though that works fine when you don't want to be subtle.