1x12 or 2x10 combo?

timmc · April 6th, 2003, 11:43 PM

I am considering a Bad Cat Cub II 15 watt combo but must decide between a 1x12" and a 2x10". I've read what Bad Cat says about either configuration choice but I still have a couple of questions. What do you Tele players prefer? Would the choice of a combo with or without reverb affect your choice of speaker configuration? What if I went with a different Bad Cat amp that has a higher wattage--would your choice in speaker configuration change?

Baard · April 7th, 2003, 03:12 AM

I like the sound of 10´s so I have a super reverb with 4 10". For miking it up, you would get a louder sound from one source(a 12") than from one of the 10´s in a 2x10 configuration. That might also be something to consider. Anyway that´s just a thought I´ve got, not something I know, so others might correct me if I´m wrong. Another thing is that I find the SR 10´s a bit easier to mike up, to get a good sound in the mix. They are a bit more focused than my old HRD´s 12" but that might be the different amp. Different makes and models would also sound different, even in the same dimentions.....It´s not that simple.....

Baard

Smokey · April 7th, 2003, 07:20 AM

Not sure what speakers are in those, but the 10's might have a lower wattage and could tend to breakup earlier than a 12.

Generally speaking that is. ;)

Poppatwang · April 7th, 2003, 08:06 AM

I like two 10s.Seems to work better in a band context.
Comes through the mix.

cowboy · April 7th, 2003, 10:58 AM

I have amps with 1-12 (BFDR & JJ-30), 2-10's (Matchless Lightning w/reverb, and 4-10's (BFSR). I generally find the 10's to be a little more focused but it's hard to beat a good 12". Kinda a question of apples vs. oranges. I find the amount of wattage, type of tubes, etc. will also make a difference.

Having both a 1-12 & 2-10 Matchless is hard to compare because of the difference in wattage (40 vs. 15). I'd guess that the 12 will give you a little more punch but the 10's will provide a tighter bass. How many watts is the Bear Cat?

I'm sure that there are people in here that can give you a better answer but any of the Matchless/BearCat amps are killer. later.

wilbur

RickC · April 7th, 2003, 12:46 PM

my general rule of thumb is that 2x10s sound better than 1x12s. You've got more total speaker surface area in the 2x10 configuration, plus I believe there's something about the interaction between more than one speaker that fills out the sound in a nice way.

/rick

timmc · April 7th, 2003, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilbur

How many watts is the Bear Cat?

The Cub II is 15 watts.

timmc · April 7th, 2003, 01:43 PM

Thanks, all of you for posting, or for just plain reading the post. This is a great place we have here--thank you, Paul

I think it will probably be a 2x10" when I take the plunge. I already have a 40 watt Blues Pearl Verbrasonic with two 10" Jensens in it . I plugged in my new Silver Sparkle Telecaster, that I bought from Music One Workshop, with the Texas Special pups, selected pup position 2 (of 4) and turned The Verbrasonic up to 9 last night. It was tone heaven--so much so that I asked myself if I really needed a Bad Cat Cub II, but I really need something to fill the bill between my Vibro Champ and Champ and the Blues Pearl.

tom grossheider · April 8th, 2003, 06:13 PM

I like 1x12 for portability, but 2x10 has the edge in tone. Better yet, 2x12 is the cat's meow......

Jay Jordan · April 8th, 2003, 06:31 PM

i have the Cub II with reverb in 1 / 12......

it is unlike any other single 12 I have ever played

I'm sure it has to do with the speaker

2/10's are good too and I have played many but in the Bad Cat the 1/12 sounded best to me so that's what I went with.....

hate to say it, but your other amps are gonna become fixtures that need dusting....

those Bad Cats can't be beat.....

Buckshot · April 9th, 2003, 02:44 AM

I like 'em both!

timmc · April 9th, 2003, 03:49 AM

it sounds like I can't go wrong either way!

timmc · April 9th, 2003, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom grossheider

Better yet, 2x12 is the cat's meow......

I'll be in enough trouble buying the Cub, let alone if I would try to spring for the Black Cat.

Rob DiStefano · April 9th, 2003, 05:30 AM

IMO, a good 2x10 typically just sounds "larger" and smoother than a good 1x12. But, for portability, I'll take a good 1x12 combo any day.

sshan25 · April 9th, 2003, 12:58 PM

I can't speak for the Bad Cat, but I have a Dr. Z Maz 18 Jr. 2 X 10 which is similar in concept (and a better value IMO). I checked out the 1 X 12, 2 X 10 & 2 X 12 versions. I found the 2 X 10 to have the best combination of overall tone, smoothness and bottom end of the 3. YMMV.

Bluesbob · April 9th, 2003, 07:43 PM

I'm having a 2X10 cab built for a '68 Bassman head. I already have a couple of 1X12 combos, a SFDR and a Mesa Son of Boogie. I'm hoping for a cross between a super and a vibrolux sans reverb. I'll post a review when it's done.

Kingpin · April 9th, 2003, 08:18 PM

Those Bad Cat Cub II's are great sounding amps, the overdrive is fantastic. I've played through the 2X10 version and loved it. I really like the high end response that 10's can give you. A 2X10 combo will move more air and sound bigger, it would be my preference if the choice were mine. Either way you go you'll be getting a great amp. Cheers.

April 6th, 2003, 11:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
timmc TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Connersville, Indiana Posts: 30	1x12 or 2x10 combo? I am considering a Bad Cat Cub II 15 watt combo but must decide between a 1x12" and a 2x10". I've read what Bad Cat says about either configuration choice but I still have a couple of questions. What do you Tele players prefer? Would the choice of a combo with or without reverb affect your choice of speaker configuration? What if I went with a different Bad Cat amp that has a higher wattage--would your choice in speaker configuration change?

April 7th, 2003, 03:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
Baard Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 668	It depends on what you like I like the sound of 10´s so I have a super reverb with 4 10". For miking it up, you would get a louder sound from one source(a 12") than from one of the 10´s in a 2x10 configuration. That might also be something to consider. Anyway that´s just a thought I´ve got, not something I know, so others might correct me if I´m wrong. Another thing is that I find the SR 10´s a bit easier to mike up, to get a good sound in the mix. They are a bit more focused than my old HRD´s 12" but that might be the different amp. Different makes and models would also sound different, even in the same dimentions.....It´s not that simple..... Baard

April 7th, 2003, 07:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Smokey TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 78	Not sure what speakers are in those, but the 10's might have a lower wattage and could tend to breakup earlier than a 12. Generally speaking that is. ;) __________________ Smokey's Forums

April 7th, 2003, 10:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
cowboy Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: West Gardiner, Maine Age: 57 Posts: 140	That is a good question.... I have amps with 1-12 (BFDR & JJ-30), 2-10's (Matchless Lightning w/reverb, and 4-10's (BFSR). I generally find the 10's to be a little more focused but it's hard to beat a good 12". Kinda a question of apples vs. oranges. I find the amount of wattage, type of tubes, etc. will also make a difference. Having both a 1-12 & 2-10 Matchless is hard to compare because of the difference in wattage (40 vs. 15). I'd guess that the 12 will give you a little more punch but the 10's will provide a tighter bass. How many watts is the Bear Cat? I'm sure that there are people in here that can give you a better answer but any of the Matchless/BearCat amps are killer. later. wilbur __________________ my dream is just a couple of notes with some passion and soul.........

April 8th, 2003, 06:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jay Jordan TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 70	bad cat i have the Cub II with reverb in 1 / 12...... it is unlike any other single 12 I have ever played I'm sure it has to do with the speaker 2/10's are good too and I have played many but in the Bad Cat the 1/12 sounded best to me so that's what I went with..... hate to say it, but your other amps are gonna become fixtures that need dusting.... those Bad Cats can't be beat.....

April 7th, 2003, 08:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Poppatwang Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,835 13 Photos	I like two 10s.Seems to work better in a band context. Comes through the mix.

April 7th, 2003, 12:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
RickC Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 189	my general rule of thumb is that 2x10s sound better than 1x12s. You've got more total speaker surface area in the 2x10 configuration, plus I believe there's something about the interaction between more than one speaker that fills out the sound in a nice way. /rick

April 7th, 2003, 01:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
timmc TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Connersville, Indiana Posts: 30	Thanks, all of you for posting, or for just plain reading the post. This is a great place we have here--thank you, Paul I think it will probably be a 2x10" when I take the plunge. I already have a 40 watt Blues Pearl Verbrasonic with two 10" Jensens in it . I plugged in my new Silver Sparkle Telecaster, that I bought from Music One Workshop, with the Texas Special pups, selected pup position 2 (of 4) and turned The Verbrasonic up to 9 last night. It was tone heaven--so much so that I asked myself if I really needed a Bad Cat Cub II, but I really need something to fill the bill between my Vibro Champ and Champ and the Blues Pearl.

April 8th, 2003, 06:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
tom grossheider Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mokena, IL Posts: 706	I like 1x12 for portability, but 2x10 has the edge in tone. Better yet, 2x12 is the cat's meow......

April 9th, 2003, 02:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
Buckshot TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denton, TX. Posts: 59	I like 'em both! __________________ Leo Fender got it right the 1st time - its been downhill ever since!

April 9th, 2003, 03:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
timmc TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Connersville, Indiana Posts: 30	Wow, it sounds like I can't go wrong either way!

April 9th, 2003, 05:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
Rob DiStefano Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Park Ridge, NJ Age: 62 Posts: 4,514	IMO, a good 2x10 typically just sounds "larger" and smoother than a good 1x12. But, for portability, I'll take a good 1x12 combo any day.

April 9th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
sshan25 Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albion, RI Posts: 125	2 X 10 I can't speak for the Bad Cat, but I have a Dr. Z Maz 18 Jr. 2 X 10 which is similar in concept (and a better value IMO). I checked out the 1 X 12, 2 X 10 & 2 X 12 versions. I found the 2 X 10 to have the best combination of overall tone, smoothness and bottom end of the 3. YMMV. __________________ There's no such thing as too many guitars

April 9th, 2003, 07:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bluesbob Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: East Suffolk L.I. Posts: 971 20 Photos	I'll be finding out I'm having a 2X10 cab built for a '68 Bassman head. I already have a couple of 1X12 combos, a SFDR and a Mesa Son of Boogie. I'm hoping for a cross between a super and a vibrolux sans reverb. I'll post a review when it's done. __________________ What, me worry?

April 9th, 2003, 08:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
Kingpin Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here Posts: 1,208	Bad Cat Cub II Those Bad Cat Cub II's are great sounding amps, the overdrive is fantastic. I've played through the 2X10 version and loved it. I really like the high end response that 10's can give you. A 2X10 combo will move more air and sound bigger, it would be my preference if the choice were mine. Either way you go you'll be getting a great amp. Cheers. __________________ Bring on da Twang