wet/dry/wet opinions?

candh · May 15th, 2006, 11:22 PM

I posted this over on 18watt.com but not much help yet, so....

If any of you do it,,HOW do you do it?

For now, its guitar through a few pedals (non-time based) into my ceriatone 18 watt head, out through a MASS to a 2x12 cab. The line out of the MASS goes back to the pedal board to a Boss Gigadelay then to a Traynor ycv40wr with an extension 1x12 cab for a mono w/d/w setup.

It sounds good and big but I feel the traynor is adding its own tube flavour even at modest (wet level) volumes. BTW, this is a great SRV sound if you dig that.

I'm thinking a modest EJ type,,mic-mixer (powered)-monitors might be a little more transparent. The problem is I have no way to test before plunking down at least $800 for a basic setup.

I'm sure miking is the better way to go but is it that much better?

Thanks, candh

Paul in Colorado · May 16th, 2006, 07:45 PM

This is something I'm experimenting with:

Guitar > loop pedal > send > "Distortion" amp (in this case a Mesa Studio .22+ but at some point a tweed Deluxe or other small amp) > Shure SM57 > Furman PQ-3 EQ > return jack of loop pedal > out jack of Loop pedal > Rivera S-120 Stereo Chorus amp with Ibanez DM-2000 delay or ART Multiverb Alpha in the loop.

This way, the amp is mic'ed, and processed through the Rivera and the effects. I can take the "distortion amp" totally out of the circuit and just play through the Rivera with or without effects.

This was inspired by Don Felder who used to mic a Tweed Deluxe running the mic into a graphic EQ, an Alembic preamp, a Crown DC-300 power amp into a 2 X 15" Alembic cab with JBL's. That way he could play stadiums and set the tone with his Deluxe, but make it loud enough for anyone to hear.

candh · May 16th, 2006, 10:24 PM

Thanks Paul,
Thats an interesting rig you have there. I think though I rather favour the setup of your inspiration Don Felder. What you hear with the miked tweed is exactly what you get assuming his power amp was solid state. Next thought,,PA speakers or guitar cabs after the power amp?? Hummm...lots to consider.

winny pooh · May 17th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Just remember that tube flavour is a good thing as most digital stuff is not that warm anyway. Eric Johnson uses power tube distortion for his sound and this is perhaps why he switched as those marshalls get very dark and round cranked up, on a cleaner rig its not a problem. He ran his delay into the front end for years though before that.
Perhaps try an acoustic/keyboard amp (carrying mini PA is a pain) with a full range speaker system and see if you prefer it, keeping in mind that the line out of the Mass will be coloured. With a guitar cab it might be fine but with a full range setup you will get clearer highs etc.

tazzboy · May 17th, 2006, 03:18 PM

He Mean a Rig like this
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...EVHDiagram.jpg

candh · May 17th, 2006, 06:24 PM

Thanks guys,

I guess it wasn't clear in my first post. That glorious, sweet, heavenly tube gain of the 18 watt is what I want to preserve. I just want to wet it up a bit in the most transparent way. I like the look of EJ's miked cab to mixer to powered (JBL Eon) monitors.

May 15th, 2006, 11:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
candh Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ito city, Japan Posts: 153	wet/dry/wet opinions? I posted this over on 18watt.com but not much help yet, so.... If any of you do it,,HOW do you do it? For now, its guitar through a few pedals (non-time based) into my ceriatone 18 watt head, out through a MASS to a 2x12 cab. The line out of the MASS goes back to the pedal board to a Boss Gigadelay then to a Traynor ycv40wr with an extension 1x12 cab for a mono w/d/w setup. It sounds good and big but I feel the traynor is adding its own tube flavour even at modest (wet level) volumes. BTW, this is a great SRV sound if you dig that. I'm thinking a modest EJ type,,mic-mixer (powered)-monitors might be a little more transparent. The problem is I have no way to test before plunking down at least $800 for a basic setup. I'm sure miking is the better way to go but is it that much better? Thanks, candh

May 17th, 2006, 01:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
winny pooh Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South London Posts: 1,443 1 Photos	Just remember that tube flavour is a good thing as most digital stuff is not that warm anyway. Eric Johnson uses power tube distortion for his sound and this is perhaps why he switched as those marshalls get very dark and round cranked up, on a cleaner rig its not a problem. He ran his delay into the front end for years though before that. Perhaps try an acoustic/keyboard amp (carrying mini PA is a pain) with a full range speaker system and see if you prefer it, keeping in mind that the line out of the Mass will be coloured. With a guitar cab it might be fine but with a full range setup you will get clearer highs etc. __________________ my afro ambient side project: http://www.myspace.com/theswyambusessions

May 17th, 2006, 03:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 2,771	He Mean a Rig like this http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...EVHDiagram.jpg __________________ tazzboy Guitar: 1982 Gibson Les Paul Standard AMP: 59 Bassman Reissue. EFFECTS: 2 Boss TR-2 Tremolo, Boss CE-2 Chorus, and Boss DM-3 Echo Delay.

May 16th, 2006, 07:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paul in Colorado Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fort Collins, CO Age: 55 Posts: 4,126 3 Photos	This is something I'm experimenting with: Guitar > loop pedal > send > "Distortion" amp (in this case a Mesa Studio .22+ but at some point a tweed Deluxe or other small amp) > Shure SM57 > Furman PQ-3 EQ > return jack of loop pedal > out jack of Loop pedal > Rivera S-120 Stereo Chorus amp with Ibanez DM-2000 delay or ART Multiverb Alpha in the loop. This way, the amp is mic'ed, and processed through the Rivera and the effects. I can take the "distortion amp" totally out of the circuit and just play through the Rivera with or without effects. This was inspired by Don Felder who used to mic a Tweed Deluxe running the mic into a graphic EQ, an Alembic preamp, a Crown DC-300 power amp into a 2 X 15" Alembic cab with JBL's. That way he could play stadiums and set the tone with his Deluxe, but make it loud enough for anyone to hear.

May 16th, 2006, 10:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
candh Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ito city, Japan Posts: 153	Thanks Paul, Thats an interesting rig you have there. I think though I rather favour the setup of your inspiration Don Felder. What you hear with the miked tweed is exactly what you get assuming his power amp was solid state. Next thought,,PA speakers or guitar cabs after the power amp?? Hummm...lots to consider.

May 17th, 2006, 06:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
candh Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ito city, Japan Posts: 153	Thanks guys, I guess it wasn't clear in my first post. That glorious, sweet, heavenly tube gain of the 18 watt is what I want to preserve. I just want to wet it up a bit in the most transparent way. I like the look of EJ's miked cab to mixer to powered (JBL Eon) monitors.