Eminence - Jensen c12n approximation?

Great Ape · March 31st, 2006, 09:12 AM

Does anyone know if any of the Eminence patriot/redcoat speakers does a reasonable job of approximating the Jensen c12n? Eminence's are a bit cheaper than Jensens over here and have a better rep.

Cheers

lpacilio · March 31st, 2006, 10:40 AM

Eminence has a good comparative chart on their website. I might help clarify things for you.

I just put a Cannabis Rex in my DRRI and it sounds fantastic. I think Eminence is making great speakers at a great price.

Stan Martin · March 31st, 2006, 10:40 AM

I forget if it's the Legend 125 or 122 , but one of those legends is as close to the old C12N as you can get. Frankly the new Jensen C12N's are far too bright even after break in. The Jensen K12N sounds sounds less bright, but there's something about the lower mid frequencies that drive me nuts.

CancerLeoCam · March 31st, 2006, 10:47 AM

...and try Celestion....
....back to lurking....(engages Klingon cloaking device)

JohnS · March 31st, 2006, 11:00 AM

I had a Jensen c12n in my DRRI. Replaced it with an Eminence Red White and Blues and feel that the Emi is what I thought the c12n was going to be.

Great Ape · March 31st, 2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CancerLeoCam

...and try Celestion....
....back to lurking....(engages Klingon cloaking device)

....ah - but which Celestion? I would guess the v30 has too much top-end aggression....

Tremo · March 31st, 2006, 04:13 PM

LOL! I agree with the comments about the current production ceramic RI Jensens. Too bright, just don't sound right. OTOH, I think their RI P12N sounds great! I am also very curious about the RI P12Q and P10Q, are they excessively bright? And what about the Neo 12?

The Emmi Patriot/RedCoat series looks very interesting, lots of choices. I read lots of good stuff about them, but I've not used one nor have I heard one in person (that I was aware of). Kind of like looking at Ted's web page, where do you start, so many choices. It's a bit overwhelming, makes taking a decision difficult when there are so many options. Given that the C12N has a 1.5" coil and a magnet weight in the mid-30s ounces, The Emmi Legend 125 has those specs. For a Patriot, maybe the Red White and Blues or the Black Powder. Personally I'd probably go with a Swamp Thang since it has a bigger magnet and coil, and probably has more low end.

Ted's "equivalent", the 12F150, is superb, but costs more.

Rick S · April 1st, 2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tremo

LOL! I agree with the comments about the current production ceramic RI Jensens. Too bright, just don't sound right. OTOH, I think their RI P12N sounds great! I am also very curious about the RI P12Q and P10Q, are they excessively bright?

The P10QRI has a thick, smooth, curved cone and rigid dust cap. Plenty bright, but not in the icepick category of the 10/12R and the ceramics. Surprisingly efficient and very clean. A bit too hi-fi for my taste, not much funk in these. I first tried them in one of my 5F4 amps, not right for a tweed at all. I then put them in a Tremolux and if you were going for an almost JBL surfy clean in a Tremolux or Vibrolux reverb they aren't a bad choice. I have a customer breaking in a P12Q, but I haven't heard one myself yet.

The Eminence 125 and RWB share a lot of the same tonal characteristics. The main difference is the RWB having a bit stronger low end and noticeably more efficient. A pair of RWBs are suitable for demolition work. Both will get you in C12N territory. I would choose according to how much thunder and volume you desire. Comparing these to the vintage C12N, they have a little more high end roll off and a bit stronger midrange. Quite like the W-12F150 in frequency response.

Tremo · April 1st, 2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick S

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Originally Posted by Tremo

LOL! I agree with the comments about the current production ceramic RI Jensens. Too bright, just don't sound right. OTOH, I think their RI P12N sounds great! I am also very curious about the RI P12Q and P10Q, are they excessively bright?

The P10QRI has a thick, smooth, curved cone and rigid dust cap. Plenty bright, but not in the icepick category of the 10/12R and the ceramics. Surprisingly efficient and very clean. A bit too hi-fi for my taste, not much funk in these. I first tried them in one of my 5F4 amps, not right for a tweed at all. I then put them in a Tremolux and if you were going for an almost JBL surfy clean in a Tremolux or Vibrolux reverb they aren't a bad choice. I have a customer breaking in a P12Q, but I haven't heard one myself yet.

The Eminence 125 and RWB share a lot of the same tonal characteristics. The main difference is the RWB having a bit stronger low end and noticeably more efficient. A pair of RWBs are suitable for demolition work. Both will get you in C12N territory. I would choose according to how much thunder and volume you desire. Comparing these to the vintage C12N, they have a little more high end roll off and a bit stronger midrange. Quite like the W-12F150 in frequency response.

Yo Rick,

Have you tried treating the cones on those Jensen P10/12Qs? Ted was saying you can spray some Downy fabric softener on the cone and it helps. Also, you could lightly dope the surround to tame things down a bit. Then there's always Uncle Spot's acetone treatment which is supposed to bring up the low end. Maybe a combo of the acetone and the Downy?

zook · April 1st, 2006, 11:25 PM

I have pair of Legend 125s in my '66 Pro Reverb (I removed the Celestions)

I'm very happy wit the sound, great Bass response and Fender twang with either humbuckers or a Tele or Strat.

Winnie

OaklandA · April 5th, 2006, 03:41 AM

the Eminence Legend 122 flat nails the vintage Jensen thing. Cheap, too.

mark norwine · April 5th, 2006, 11:13 AM

I'm a big fan of the emi "redwhit&blue" for nailing that classic fender tone....

Great Ape · April 5th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Thanks fellas. Got a bit o' thinking to do....

shakedancer · April 8th, 2006, 02:59 PM

You can't beat the Eminence Red,White & Blues. Have Super Champ in 12" cabinet with this Speaker.

tombm3 · April 8th, 2006, 05:53 PM

I have one of these in my Allen V-18. This was recommended by David. I haven't gotten into swapping out speakers so I'm not aware of which ones to go with. I'm glad with the results. Therefore I agree with the others that give positive reviews. I was thinking about the Emi Texas Heat before I heard the RWB. Has anyone tried or heard that one?

Great Ape · April 9th, 2006, 05:51 AM

Looks like the RWB is a goer. I was only concerned that with that amount of power handling, it might need cranking past what I need in terms of volume...

shakedancer · April 9th, 2006, 08:09 AM

You can order it from allenamps.com, David is a good guy

March 31st, 2006, 09:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Great Ape Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 259	Eminence - Jensen c12n approximation? Does anyone know if any of the Eminence patriot/redcoat speakers does a reasonable job of approximating the Jensen c12n? Eminence's are a bit cheaper than Jensens over here and have a better rep. Cheers

March 31st, 2006, 10:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
lpacilio Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 252	Eminence Speakers Eminence has a good comparative chart on their website. I might help clarify things for you. I just put a Cannabis Rex in my DRRI and it sounds fantastic. I think Eminence is making great speakers at a great price. __________________ The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. - Hunter S. Thompson (RIP)

March 31st, 2006, 10:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Stan Martin Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pepperell Posts: 818	try the Legend series I forget if it's the Legend 125 or 122 , but one of those legends is as close to the old C12N as you can get. Frankly the new Jensen C12N's are far too bright even after break in. The Jensen K12N sounds sounds less bright, but there's something about the lower mid frequencies that drive me nuts.

March 31st, 2006, 10:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
CancerLeoCam Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mule Deer-Mt. Lion Safari, CA Posts: 1,692 5 Photos	Dump Eminence... ...and try Celestion.... ....back to lurking....(engages Klingon cloaking device) __________________ Everyone's your "buddy" or "friend" when they want you or something from you. If you're not willing to work for free why should somebody else?

March 31st, 2006, 11:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
JohnS Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 59 Posts: 312 12 Photos	Red White and Blues I had a Jensen c12n in my DRRI. Replaced it with an Eminence Red White and Blues and feel that the Emi is what I thought the c12n was going to be.

March 31st, 2006, 04:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tremo Banned Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA Posts: 3,803	LOL! I agree with the comments about the current production ceramic RI Jensens. Too bright, just don't sound right. OTOH, I think their RI P12N sounds great! I am also very curious about the RI P12Q and P10Q, are they excessively bright? And what about the Neo 12? The Emmi Patriot/RedCoat series looks very interesting, lots of choices. I read lots of good stuff about them, but I've not used one nor have I heard one in person (that I was aware of). Kind of like looking at Ted's web page, where do you start, so many choices. It's a bit overwhelming, makes taking a decision difficult when there are so many options. Given that the C12N has a 1.5" coil and a magnet weight in the mid-30s ounces, The Emmi Legend 125 has those specs. For a Patriot, maybe the Red White and Blues or the Black Powder. Personally I'd probably go with a Swamp Thang since it has a bigger magnet and coil, and probably has more low end. Ted's "equivalent", the 12F150, is superb, but costs more.

April 1st, 2006, 11:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
zook Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northeast Kingdom, Vermont Posts: 833	I have pair of Legend 125s in my '66 Pro Reverb (I removed the Celestions) I'm very happy wit the sound, great Bass response and Fender twang with either humbuckers or a Tele or Strat. Winnie __________________ I have noticed that happy people are often evaluating themselves and unhappy people are always evaluating others. -William Glasser

April 5th, 2006, 03:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
OaklandA Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,629 28 Photos	the Eminence Legend 122 flat nails the vintage Jensen thing. Cheap, too. __________________ ________________________ _________________ ___________ That's what she said.

April 5th, 2006, 11:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
mark norwine Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 50 Posts: 1,382	I'm a big fan of the emi "redwhit&blue" for nailing that classic fender tone.... __________________ "Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm." Frank Zappa

April 5th, 2006, 01:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Great Ape Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 259	Thanks fellas. Got a bit o' thinking to do....

April 8th, 2006, 02:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
shakedancer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: north of Boston Posts: 1,639	You can't beat the Eminence Red,White & Blues. Have Super Champ in 12" cabinet with this Speaker. __________________ "If you don't like the Blues, you got to have a Hole in your Soul." Luther Allison JOE

April 8th, 2006, 05:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
tombm3 Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: WNY Posts: 198	Red, White & Blues I have one of these in my Allen V-18. This was recommended by David. I haven't gotten into swapping out speakers so I'm not aware of which ones to go with. I'm glad with the results. Therefore I agree with the others that give positive reviews. I was thinking about the Emi Texas Heat before I heard the RWB. Has anyone tried or heard that one?

April 9th, 2006, 05:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
Great Ape Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: uk Posts: 259	Looks like the RWB is a goer. I was only concerned that with that amount of power handling, it might need cranking past what I need in terms of volume...

April 9th, 2006, 08:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
shakedancer Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: north of Boston Posts: 1,639	You can order it from allenamps.com, David is a good guy __________________ "If you don't like the Blues, you got to have a Hole in your Soul." Luther Allison JOE