Fender SuperChamp

Caper · April 2nd, 2003, 08:03 PM

Got a chance to hear an awesome little amp today. It was made in 82 and looked like it was sealed in a time capsule. The sound was unbelievable for a small amp. I wonder why Fender produced such a neat little amp for only a short time.

Wally · April 2nd, 2003, 09:41 PM

Yessir, the Super Champ is a great one. Unless that one has had a speaker replacement, you still have an experience to which to look forward. The stock speaker leaves much to be desired. Replacement with an Emi Alnico 10" makes a different and better amp of the lil beast.
These Paul Rivera Designs are the last of the PTP hand-wired production Fenders. The process got too expensive. I have two of them and would buy another any day. They work well as a stereo rig for my ES-345.

Smokey · April 3rd, 2003, 06:05 AM

I have a friend who has one, it's a great little amp. His was modded inside, some gain changes made, some tone caps changed. Now it's a little monster. ;)

The cabs were made very cheaply, just like regular champs. When I get the time I'm going to build him a hardwood replacement.

art · April 3rd, 2003, 08:00 AM

I want one !!!! *wah !*

tellylp · April 6th, 2003, 11:31 PM

I used to have one. A great sounding amp. I traded it in for a '72 Tele. I see that the crooks in Guitar Center are selling one for $800.

Bill Beck · April 7th, 2003, 09:28 PM

A Princeton Reverb II. I sold mine 2 weeks ago and realized what a mistake I had made. Luckily, I found a cleaner one than I had before at a local store. It's mine now! I prefer them to the Super Champs...a real sleeper of a hand wired, light and loud amp with great clean tone to boot!! :D :D :D

Caper · April 8th, 2003, 05:03 AM

Congrats Bill, the gentleman who owned the Super Champ I was looking at also recommended the Princeton Reverb II, this guy has been fixing guitars and amps for probably 30 yrs or more and I'm sure he has heard them all. Got me thinkin.

George V · April 9th, 2003, 07:28 PM

This amp interets me. I have never played thru one, but have heard that the Reverb circut is switched off when the lead channel is engaged.

Could anyone confirm this?

If so, Is there any simple mod to include reverb on the lead channel?

I have been told that the red knob Champ 12 has reverb on lead channel.

Thanks in advance for your response,
George

Lance · April 10th, 2003, 08:15 AM

I don't have one but played one in a store years ago. The reverb doesn't work in the lead channel. Frankly, I thought the lead channel was too buzzy anyway and figured the amp would sound better with a decent pedal in front for overdrive.

(darn...shoulda bought that little booger...it was only $250)

Bill Beck · April 10th, 2003, 09:13 AM

But I LOVE the clean side. The amp is very very pedal friendly. My favorite parts of the amp-

Great clean channel
Built like a tank, handwired, pine cab.
Light and LOUD.
Did I mention portable?
The reverb is one of Fender's best, IMHO.

RickC · April 11th, 2003, 01:15 PM

I owned a Super Champ for many years. Is served me well, through countless late nights jamming while the kids were asleep upstairs, and it was even my main gigging amp (through a Marshall 4x10) for awhile.

But really, the hype on these amps has gotten out of hand. Imo, they are not worth the escalating prices you see, and for those who haven't tried one and are lusting, don't lose any sleep.

I sold my Super Champ the day I tried out a Pro Junior. The tone of the PJ was just so much more of what you love about Fender amps. Even without the bells and whistles, the PJ was just more fun to play. It's now my bedroom amp, and I have never regretted the change for a second.

The SC is a good, but not great, amp and there are better ways to spend those $$$

Imo, of course

/rick

Wally · April 11th, 2003, 02:20 PM

Just mho, but give me a PTP, hand-wired amp anyday over a PCB. The stock speaker in the SC is a cheap, flat-sounding Eminence. I run Eminence Alnico 10" speakers in my 2 Super Champs. This speaker gives the amp good bottom, nice warm highs and generally makes a good amp into a great amp. As to the value on the market, there is a reason that this little PTP switching amp is so highly regarded. Find a 2X6V6 switching amp with reverb that is PTP wiring that does the Fender sound as well as this one does in the small package.....can't find one? Have someone build you one. Can't afford that? Get a Super Champ, replace the speaker, and GRIN at the good deal! 8)

JukeJointJimmy · April 12th, 2003, 09:35 PM

You guys should look in the garage!

Rob DiStefano · April 13th, 2003, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally

Just mho, but give me a PTP, hand-wired amp anyday over a PCB.

Hear, hear, Wally! I'll second that anyday!

Big Tony · April 19th, 2003, 12:13 PM

I've been using a Super Champ for 17 years. It's a great little amp. I never use the lead channel, just set the master vol. to 10, the reverb at 3, and turn it up to where the tone starts to sweat. Bought it as an harmonica amp, but have used it more for Telecaster playing.

Joe M · April 19th, 2003, 08:27 PM

Tony, I do the same as you; set the master on 10 and adjust the gain to wherever I like. Never use the lead channel, if I want OD, I use a pedal. With all due respect to RickC, there's no way the sound of a Pro Jr. even starts to compare to the Super Champ. Forget about the construction, just the fact that the PJ uses el84's and the SC 6v6's makes all the difference in sound. They are two completely different animals. I do agree with him as far as the hype getting way out of hand; it's a excellent, last of the Fender PTP amps, not the holy grail. And as Rick said, this is all IMHO also...... :D

RetroDaddy · February 24th, 2008, 12:09 AM

Just bought the new version of a Superchamp today. Made in China and not PTP wired so I'm sure it's not of the same quality as the 80s version but this one has that great Fender tone and sounds fantastic paired with a tele. A nice tube amp for $315 plus tax brand new.

Bill · February 24th, 2008, 12:25 AM

Hi,

I believe you're talking about the new Fender Super Champ XD. Other than the name, they are different amps. The new one is a mix of tubes and solid state, with digital signal processed effects.

It may be a great amp, but it's not intended as a re-issue of the Super Champ of the 80's.

Caper · February 24th, 2008, 07:25 AM

I had a good laugh when I looked at the date on this thread. Btw, I am the owner of that SC now and after owned several Fender 70's amps this is the only one I've kept. About it's construction, these amps are solid pine with what looks like a birch baffle. It is as rugged as they come and yes Fender short changed it by putting in the Eminence speaker. Some came with an EV-Force 10, mine has a JBL K110 in it and couldn't be happier with it.

RetroDaddy · February 24th, 2008, 09:18 PM

Played my Superchamp XD today for about three hours. What a great little amp. Incredible tone and tons of great solid state modeling on board. This new little amp is incredible for $315.

Just for good measure, on the way home from my studio I bought a mint condition 1980s red knob Champ 12 with original working footswitch and original owners manual form the second owner! Nice little amp. Built like a tank and sounds pretty good. Mine has the original stock tubes and 12" speaker. The overdrive sounds a little muddy and the lead channel is really loud even at level 2 but other than that it's a great little amp. I paid $295 for it figuring that was a fair price. I really only bought it to save as a collectible and to use as my practice amp at home. Any of you guys know if $295 is a fair deal for a mint 80s era Champ 12 with footswitch?????

The new Superchamp XD is far more versatile for obvious reasons and that amp and all of its onboard effects will be getting quite a work out jamming with the guys in the studio.

Wally · February 25th, 2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caper

I had a good laugh when I looked at the date on this thread. Btw, I am the owner of that SC now and after owned several Fender 70's amps this is the only one I've kept. About it's construction, these amps are solid pine with what looks like a birch baffle. It is as rugged as they come and yes Fender short changed it by putting in the Eminence speaker. Some came with an EV-Force 10, mine has a JBL K110 in it and couldn't be happier with it.

Caper, the real SUPER CHAMP is a great one, isn't it? Yeah, when I saw that your thread had been ressurected, I wondered why...until I read Retro's post.
Fender was smart when they used the SC moniker on their new amp, weren't they? You can fool some of the people some of the time....and you can get the others some other day! hehehehe
I wonder why they call it the 'Digi-Champ'? BEcause....maybe they read the forums and realize how hot the REAL Super Champ is among Fender amp afficianados!!
Oh well, I am glad that everybody is happy with their Fender amps....

RetroDaddy · February 25th, 2008, 08:21 PM

Guys,

I just bought a vintage Champ 12 (red knob) in mint original condition with the stock footswitch which still works. I ordered the Torres mods today and hope to have them installed by next week sometime.

I paid $295 for my Champ 12 in mint original condition with footswitch and owners manual. Is that a fair deal?

Wally · February 26th, 2008, 10:42 AM

Retro, it is a PCB amp...no judgement from me on that. Considering that a vintage handwired Champ would not be much more, I would say that that price is stiff in my book. But, then I think $400 for a vintage Champ is a bargain. If you like it...it is a good deal.
that said, considering that you are going to immediately mod it, I guess you feel that it is lacking in some way. What mods are these?

RetroDaddy · February 27th, 2008, 01:01 AM

Wally...what's a PCB amp? And what does "stiff" mean. Too much, a steal or just about right???

I ordered two of the three mod kits Torres has offered for many years for this amp. I did a bunch of reading and nearly everyone that owns this amp that does these mods raves about the results.

The first mod is designed to brighten the tone of the amp a bit and give it more low end and high end and cleaner cleans and also clean up the overdrive a bit which most folks agree is too muddy. This is an easy do it yourself mod that comes with rave reviews and Torres offers the it for $15.

The second mod deals with a classic Fender amp problem. The master volume on channel two has no range and is way to loud even on level 2 just like a hot rod deluxe. So Torres sells a POT mod for $15. The new POT alows you to dial up the volume you want much more gradually.

Torres offers a third variable bias adjustment mod which costs $35 and which is also purported to improve the tone of the amp but in my estimation it is the least important mod and it's the most expensive so I figured I'd try Mods 1 & 2 first and see how I like the amp before bothering with Mod 3.

You can find Torres on the internet by googling "Torres amp mods".

Wally · February 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM

RetroDaddy, PCB is printed circuit board as opposed to handwired...tagboard, PTP, turrets. The red knobs were Fenders first PCB tube amps.They came immediately after the Rivera designs of the early '80's.
Stiff in this context...more than I would personally pay, considering as I say that a vintage hand-wired would not be much more. Then, it does have master volume, which suits some of us at times, and....it isn't as much as the Rivera-desgned Super Champs, right? So, if you work it into something you like, I suppose that the amp is well worth it...
One suggestion, since you asked what is PCB. I learned the hard way that one has to be careful when pulling those boards. Wrestling those PCB boards is not advisable. hehehe I 'made' myself some extra work on the first Rivera PCB that I opened up. Those board-mounted pots can be delicate.
Also, parts can be a bit more 'obscure' than the parts for the vintage amps I usually and preferrably work on. I had trouble some time back getting a push/pull pot for a Red KNob Twin. I resorted to rebuilding the mechanics of the old one with parts I got out of a new pot of incorrect electronic specs. In the mid-90's I was told by Fender that they no longer stocked a push/pull for a certain small SS amp I was working on. The red KNob Twin work was in the early '2000's.

Telelicious · February 27th, 2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroDaddy

Guys,

I just bought a vintage Champ 12 (red knob) in mint original condition with the stock footswitch which still works. I ordered the Torres mods today and hope to have them installed by next week sometime.

I paid $295 for my Champ 12 in mint original condition with footswitch and owners manual. Is that a fair deal?

Wow! this thread is dragging a headstone.

You will love the Champ 12. I bought a Mint example last year for $285 locally off Ebay. It was good in stock trim. Then I added the Torres mods and a Celestion G12-30 Anniversary and it became a new amp. I play thru mine almost daily.

Tracking them, it seems that all the good ones go for $250-$350. They even offered snakeskin and a red Boa tolex option in 91'-92' right before they went away.

You should play thru yours alot before you mod it to get the full idea of the change it makes. New tubes made a big change also. I found one of my pre amps was weak. They were all originals.

I opted not to install the new pots as they dont match the existing set up very well and I really dont use alot of gain anyway. I did changeout the cap that came with them though so ordering that mod wasnt a total loss. The mod that makes the total difference is the little unit to be installed between the pre amp tube pins. After you do that, the stock

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Caper Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,168 7 Photos	Fender Super Champ Got a chance to hear an awesome little amp today. It was made in 82 and looked like it was sealed in a time capsule. The sound was unbelievable for a small amp. I wonder why Fender produced such a neat little amp for only a short time. Last edited by Caper; February 27th, 2008 at 10:31 AM.

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Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,769	Treasures Yessir, the Super Champ is a great one. Unless that one has had a speaker replacement, you still have an experience to which to look forward. The stock speaker leaves much to be desired. Replacement with an Emi Alnico 10" makes a different and better amp of the lil beast. These Paul Rivera Designs are the last of the PTP hand-wired production Fenders. The process got too expensive. I have two of them and would buy another any day. They work well as a stereo rig for my ES-345.

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art Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ridgecrest, CA. Posts: 125	I want one !!!! wah ! __________________ "Boy....Pick that thang !"

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Bill Beck Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Posts: 371	I just picked up another one of it's big brother. A Princeton Reverb II. I sold mine 2 weeks ago and realized what a mistake I had made. Luckily, I found a cleaner one than I had before at a local store. It's mine now! I prefer them to the Super Champs...a real sleeper of a hand wired, light and loud amp with great clean tone to boot!! :D :D :D

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George V NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Robbinsville, NJ Posts: 1	Re: Fender SuperChamp This amp interets me. I have never played thru one, but have heard that the Reverb circut is switched off when the lead channel is engaged. Could anyone confirm this? If so, Is there any simple mod to include reverb on the lead channel? I have been told that the red knob Champ 12 has reverb on lead channel. Thanks in advance for your response, George __________________ You Rock!

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Smokey TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 78	I have a friend who has one, it's a great little amp. His was modded inside, some gain changes made, some tone caps changed. Now it's a little monster. ;) The cabs were made very cheaply, just like regular champs. When I get the time I'm going to build him a hardwood replacement.

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tellylp TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 15	I used to have one. A great sounding amp. I traded it in for a '72 Tele. I see that the crooks in Guitar Center are selling one for $800.

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Caper Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,168 7 Photos	Congrats Bill, the gentleman who owned the Super Champ I was looking at also recommended the Princeton Reverb II, this guy has been fixing guitars and amps for probably 30 yrs or more and I'm sure he has heard them all. Got me thinkin.

April 10th, 2003, 08:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lance Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,163	Confirmed... I don't have one but played one in a store years ago. The reverb doesn't work in the lead channel. Frankly, I thought the lead channel was too buzzy anyway and figured the amp would sound better with a decent pedal in front for overdrive. (darn...shoulda bought that little booger...it was only $250) __________________ Lance "not very good...but I make up for it by playing loud"

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Bill Beck Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Posts: 371	I never use the lead channel on my PR II's But I LOVE the clean side. The amp is very very pedal friendly. My favorite parts of the amp- Great clean channel Built like a tank, handwired, pine cab. Light and LOUD. Did I mention portable? The reverb is one of Fender's best, IMHO.

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RickC Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 189	a discouraging word I owned a Super Champ for many years. Is served me well, through countless late nights jamming while the kids were asleep upstairs, and it was even my main gigging amp (through a Marshall 4x10) for awhile. But really, the hype on these amps has gotten out of hand. Imo, they are not worth the escalating prices you see, and for those who haven't tried one and are lusting, don't lose any sleep. I sold my Super Champ the day I tried out a Pro Junior. The tone of the PJ was just so much more of what you love about Fender amps. Even without the bells and whistles, the PJ was just more fun to play. It's now my bedroom amp, and I have never regretted the change for a second. The SC is a good, but not great, amp and there are better ways to spend those $$$ Imo, of course /rick

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Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,769	Super Champ VS. modern Fenders Just mho, but give me a PTP, hand-wired amp anyday over a PCB. The stock speaker in the SC is a cheap, flat-sounding Eminence. I run Eminence Alnico 10" speakers in my 2 Super Champs. This speaker gives the amp good bottom, nice warm highs and generally makes a good amp into a great amp. As to the value on the market, there is a reason that this little PTP switching amp is so highly regarded. Find a 2X6V6 switching amp with reverb that is PTP wiring that does the Fender sound as well as this one does in the small package.....can't find one? Have someone build you one. Can't afford that? Get a Super Champ, replace the speaker, and GRIN at the good deal! 8)

April 12th, 2003, 09:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
JukeJointJimmy Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 157	Super Champ You guys should look in the garage!

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Big Tony Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, by golly! Posts: 2,502 28 Photos	I'm a fan. I've been using a Super Champ for 17 years. It's a great little amp. I never use the lead channel, just set the master vol. to 10, the reverb at 3, and turn it up to where the tone starts to sweat. Bought it as an harmonica amp, but have used it more for Telecaster playing.

April 19th, 2003, 08:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
Joe M Moderator Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,148	Tony, I do the same as you; set the master on 10 and adjust the gain to wherever I like. Never use the lead channel, if I want OD, I use a pedal. With all due respect to RickC, there's no way the sound of a Pro Jr. even starts to compare to the Super Champ. Forget about the construction, just the fact that the PJ uses el84's and the SC 6v6's makes all the difference in sound. They are two completely different animals. I do agree with him as far as the hype getting way out of hand; it's a excellent, last of the Fender PTP amps, not the holy grail. And as Rick said, this is all IMHO also...... :D

February 24th, 2008, 12:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
RetroDaddy TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 85	Just bought the new version of a Superchamp today. Made in China and not PTP wired so I'm sure it's not of the same quality as the 80s version but this one has that great Fender tone and sounds fantastic paired with a tele. A nice tube amp for $315 plus tax brand new.

February 24th, 2008, 12:25 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bill Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 2,608 58 Photos	Hi, I believe you're talking about the new Fender Super Champ XD. Other than the name, they are different amps. The new one is a mix of tubes and solid state, with digital signal processed effects. It may be a great amp, but it's not intended as a re-issue of the Super Champ of the 80's. __________________ B i l l B a e c k A journal of our year in London

February 24th, 2008, 07:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
Caper Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,168 7 Photos	I had a good laugh when I looked at the date on this thread. Btw, I am the owner of that SC now and after owned several Fender 70's amps this is the only one I've kept. About it's construction, these amps are solid pine with what looks like a birch baffle. It is as rugged as they come and yes Fender short changed it by putting in the Eminence speaker. Some came with an EV-Force 10, mine has a JBL K110 in it and couldn't be happier with it.

February 24th, 2008, 09:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
RetroDaddy TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 85	Played my Superchamp XD today for about three hours. What a great little amp. Incredible tone and tons of great solid state modeling on board. This new little amp is incredible for $315. Just for good measure, on the way home from my studio I bought a mint condition 1980s red knob Champ 12 with original working footswitch and original owners manual form the second owner! Nice little amp. Built like a tank and sounds pretty good. Mine has the original stock tubes and 12" speaker. The overdrive sounds a little muddy and the lead channel is really loud even at level 2 but other than that it's a great little amp. I paid $295 for it figuring that was a fair price. I really only bought it to save as a collectible and to use as my practice amp at home. Any of you guys know if $295 is a fair deal for a mint 80s era Champ 12 with footswitch????? The new Superchamp XD is far more versatile for obvious reasons and that amp and all of its onboard effects will be getting quite a work out jamming with the guys in the studio.

February 25th, 2008, 08:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
RetroDaddy TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 85	Guys, I just bought a vintage Champ 12 (red knob) in mint original condition with the stock footswitch which still works. I ordered the Torres mods today and hope to have them installed by next week sometime. I paid $295 for my Champ 12 in mint original condition with footswitch and owners manual. Is that a fair deal?

February 26th, 2008, 10:42 AM	#23 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,769	Retro, it is a PCB amp...no judgement from me on that. Considering that a vintage handwired Champ would not be much more, I would say that that price is stiff in my book. But, then I think $400 for a vintage Champ is a bargain. If you like it...it is a good deal. that said, considering that you are going to immediately mod it, I guess you feel that it is lacking in some way. What mods are these?

February 27th, 2008, 01:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
RetroDaddy TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 85	Wally...what's a PCB amp? And what does "stiff" mean. Too much, a steal or just about right??? I ordered two of the three mod kits Torres has offered for many years for this amp. I did a bunch of reading and nearly everyone that owns this amp that does these mods raves about the results. The first mod is designed to brighten the tone of the amp a bit and give it more low end and high end and cleaner cleans and also clean up the overdrive a bit which most folks agree is too muddy. This is an easy do it yourself mod that comes with rave reviews and Torres offers the it for $15. The second mod deals with a classic Fender amp problem. The master volume on channel two has no range and is way to loud even on level 2 just like a hot rod deluxe. So Torres sells a POT mod for $15. The new POT alows you to dial up the volume you want much more gradually. Torres offers a third variable bias adjustment mod which costs $35 and which is also purported to improve the tone of the amp but in my estimation it is the least important mod and it's the most expensive so I figured I'd try Mods 1 & 2 first and see how I like the amp before bothering with Mod 3. You can find Torres on the internet by googling "Torres amp mods".

February 27th, 2008, 10:46 AM	#25 (permalink)
Wally Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,769	RetroDaddy, PCB is printed circuit board as opposed to handwired...tagboard, PTP, turrets. The red knobs were Fenders first PCB tube amps.They came immediately after the Rivera designs of the early '80's. Stiff in this context...more than I would personally pay, considering as I say that a vintage hand-wired would not be much more. Then, it does have master volume, which suits some of us at times, and....it isn't as much as the Rivera-desgned Super Champs, right? So, if you work it into something you like, I suppose that the amp is well worth it... One suggestion, since you asked what is PCB. I learned the hard way that one has to be careful when pulling those boards. Wrestling those PCB boards is not advisable. hehehe I 'made' myself some extra work on the first Rivera PCB that I opened up. Those board-mounted pots can be delicate. Also, parts can be a bit more 'obscure' than the parts for the vintage amps I usually and preferrably work on. I had trouble some time back getting a push/pull pot for a Red KNob Twin. I resorted to rebuilding the mechanics of the old one with parts I got out of a new pot of incorrect electronic specs. In the mid-90's I was told by Fender that they no longer stocked a push/pull for a certain small SS amp I was working on. The red KNob Twin work was in the early '2000's.