philisophical question clean versus crunch/distortion...

teledude66 · December 2nd, 2005, 03:16 PM

let's say you are put in a room with 2 amps.....

one amp is the best clean you could ever want to find, but the drive,distortion, crunch whatever is the most horrid....

the other amp is hammer of the gods distortion, gain whatever, but the clean is just a clankity mess

your "punishment" or "reward" is that you can only have one for the rest of your life. which one would you choose? clean or dirty?

edited: check out my modified post a couple posts down...sorry

Big Tony · December 2nd, 2005, 03:22 PM

You can always make clean go dirty (pedals), but you can never make dirty go clean.

Drak · December 2nd, 2005, 03:32 PM

It depends on whether you're under 30 or over 30.

teledude66 · December 2nd, 2005, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teledude66

let's say you are put in a room with 2 amps.....

one amp is the best clean you could ever want to find, but the drive,distortion, crunch whatever is the most horrid....

the other amp is hammer of the gods distortion, gain whatever, but the clean is just a clankity mess

your "punishment" or "reward" is that you can only have one for the rest of your life. which one would you choose? clean or dirty?

let me restate my first post, everything stays the same except it has to be dirty all the time or clean all the time, no dirtying up the clean, or cleaning up the dirty....

Big Tony · December 2nd, 2005, 04:30 PM

Then it's dirty...just across the border...

fabiomayo · December 2nd, 2005, 06:38 PM

Great post.

Could I have the option of having a clean just on the edge of break up ? :D :D :D

Seriously, if it had to be only one? Tough choic, but I'd have to say clean... (and I'm less than 30

)

Chimp #6 · December 3rd, 2005, 02:21 AM

I'd take the clean ... I hope it would be a 2X12 :)

...... I don't even remember 30

fontaine · December 3rd, 2005, 03:10 AM

Clean...Yeah..Clean. Definately Clean.

Just play crunchy.. that's all.

maestrovert · December 3rd, 2005, 04:57 AM

the music (in the stylistic sense) each is capable of covering tilts the scale well in favor of the clean amp....

regardless of one's age range

i.m.h.o., y.m.m.v.

PostoronnimV · December 3rd, 2005, 06:32 AM

teledude66, are you talking about the twin and jcm800? ;) I guess that's why we have ernie ball stereo pan pedal...

sound dog · December 3rd, 2005, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Tony

You can always make clean go dirty (pedals), but you can never make dirty go clean.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Kilt · December 3rd, 2005, 08:26 AM

30 what...

I'll take the clean for sure.

Big Lug · December 3rd, 2005, 02:04 PM

A clean amp...and a dirty woman.

Scotland · December 3rd, 2005, 02:36 PM

If it has a great clean sound then you can be assured a pedal in front of it will sound great too.

Melody · December 3rd, 2005, 08:58 PM

I'll take the clean and dirty it up with the volume knob on my geetar..

tombm3 · December 3rd, 2005, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Lug

A clean amp...and a dirty woman.

+1 on that statement for sure. :D

Wild Rice Chris · December 4th, 2005, 12:28 PM

Clean every time. No question. 8)

e-merlin · December 4th, 2005, 03:04 PM

Since neither of those amps would be Peavey I'll pass on both. A Triple X will do both easily. So will my 5150 combo and my VTM 60. I don't have to settle.

Tim Bowen · December 5th, 2005, 02:24 AM

"Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel, please".

Depends on how well the dirty amp cleans up from the guitar. The kazoo is always a safe bet, if in doubt.

teledude66 · December 5th, 2005, 08:35 AM

it's got a little off, but what i was basically trying to get out of this (my fault) was if you could only have a clean amp(no way possible of getting it dirty) or a dirty amp (no way of getting it clean) regardless of brand which would you choose...like i said my fault for not getting the parameters set it was an off the cuff post ...later

Colo Springs E · December 5th, 2005, 09:13 AM

If I can only have one, I'd have to have me some gain.

Eric Karonen · December 5th, 2005, 09:16 AM

Clean for me. It's the kind of playing I do in my old age.

captain gorgeous · December 5th, 2005, 09:30 AM

clean for me too.

you can play subtle gentle clean and angry frenetic clean. i just think you have more relative-dynamic range within the parameters of clean that you do with dirt.

if you want to rock out with a clean guitar you just dig in hard and imagine the crunk. (you can play ac/dc riff son an acoustic and they still "work" right?)

but complex jazz chords or delicate harp-like fingerpicked arpegios are never going to work with a dirty sound are they? you can't imagine away that crunch.

stantheman · December 5th, 2005, 10:57 AM

CLEAN !!!!!
As long as I've got control over My Volume and Tone Control I'll be able to get across.
A clean Amp that "blooms" now that's what I call sweet.

Telecicle · December 6th, 2005, 12:15 PM

Gotta have the compressor. Call it a crutch, call me weak... just gimme.

Cary

melodicaster · December 6th, 2005, 12:36 PM

Great question! I had to read it twice to fully understand it. My first urge was to say Clean, no question.

Then I thought, well, I mean Fender blackface clean. Somebody else's idea of the "perfect" clean might be something other.

Given a choice between a nice, crunchy Marshall and the clean of a Polytone Minibrute or a Roland Jazz Chorus, I'd go with the Marshall instead.

But if I could really, really have the best blackface clean of a 40 or so watt Fender --

CLEAN all the way! To me, more dynamics, more expressive, more choices (this is assuming you won't allow cleaning up a chrunchy amp by using guitar's volume knob!).

December 2nd, 2005, 03:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
teledude66 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lawndale,N.C. Age: 42 Posts: 2,752 20 Photos	philisophical question clean versus crunch/distortion... let's say you are put in a room with 2 amps..... one amp is the best clean you could ever want to find, but the drive,distortion, crunch whatever is the most horrid.... the other amp is hammer of the gods distortion, gain whatever, but the clean is just a clankity mess your "punishment" or "reward" is that you can only have one for the rest of your life. which one would you choose? clean or dirty? edited: check out my modified post a couple posts down...sorry __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

December 2nd, 2005, 03:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Big Tony Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, by golly! Posts: 2,528 29 Photos	Clean You can always make clean go dirty (pedals), but you can never make dirty go clean. __________________ {8^)> myspace.com/tonypersson

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Big Tony Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, by golly! Posts: 2,528 29 Photos	OK Then it's dirty...just across the border... __________________ {8^)> myspace.com/tonypersson

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fabiomayo Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Niterói - RJ, Brasil Age: 26 Posts: 120	Great post. Could I have the option of having a clean just on the edge of break up ? :D :D :D Seriously, if it had to be only one? Tough choic, but I'd have to say clean... (and I'm less than 30 ) __________________ "This is so cool I have to go to the bathroom!" Calvin

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Chimp #6 Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Clemente, California Posts: 173 17 Photos	I'd take the clean ... I hope it would be a 2X12 :) ...... I don't even remember 30 __________________ When I was a young boy, I heard the sound of rolling thunder ..... ever since then I have been trying to play it.

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Drak Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: DC 'Burbs Age: 47 Posts: 447	It depends on whether you're under 30 or over 30.

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fontaine Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 338	Clean...Yeah..Clean. Definately Clean. Just play crunchy.. that's all.

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maestrovert Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: West Branch Mi. Posts: 6,732	the music (in the stylistic sense) each is capable of covering tilts the scale well in favor of the clean amp.... regardless of one's age range i.m.h.o., y.m.m.v. __________________ Sing the Song Bro' Play on Drummer www.godonthe.net

December 3rd, 2005, 06:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
PostoronnimV Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2005 Location: H Age: 26 Posts: 139 6 Photos	teledude66, are you talking about the twin and jcm800? ;) I guess that's why we have ernie ball stereo pan pedal...

December 3rd, 2005, 08:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kilt Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kyle, Texas Posts: 322 1 Photos	30 what... I'll take the clean for sure. __________________ ___________________________ Industrial Strength Honkabilly

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Big Lug Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Mainland, the Great White North Posts: 651	So I can have my cake and eat it too... A clean amp...and a dirty woman. __________________ "Set my compass North I've got winter in my blood." Robbie Robertson

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Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 54 Posts: 6,612 3 Photos	Clean If it has a great clean sound then you can be assured a pedal in front of it will sound great too. __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

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Melody TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 81 6 Photos	I'll take the clean and dirty it up with the volume knob on my geetar..

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Wild Rice Chris Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rice Custom Dungeon Posts: 2,884 27 Photos	Clean every time. No question. 8) __________________ "The children need to learn how to build their own environment and make their own music that is inspired by their roots."--Eugene Hütz "All music turns out to be ethnic music."--Steve Reich Enjoy, and please visit my homepage.

December 5th, 2005, 02:24 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tim Bowen Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Age: 48 Posts: 3,389	You can choose to keep either your lungs or your kidneys. "Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel, please". Depends on how well the dirty amp cleans up from the guitar. The kazoo is always a safe bet, if in doubt. __________________ "Everyone is different in how they learn, but for me, it's turning the pegs and just playing." - BB

December 5th, 2005, 08:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
teledude66 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lawndale,N.C. Age: 42 Posts: 2,752 20 Photos	it's got a little off, but what i was basically trying to get out of this (my fault) was if you could only have a clean amp(no way possible of getting it dirty) or a dirty amp (no way of getting it clean) regardless of brand which would you choose...like i said my fault for not getting the parameters set it was an off the cuff post ...later __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.

December 5th, 2005, 09:13 AM	#21 (permalink)
Colo Springs E Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 5,279 5 Photos	I'll take the dirt If I can only have one, I'd have to have me some gain. __________________ Think I'll pack it in and Buy a pickup Take it down to LA...

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Eric Karonen Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 56 Posts: 1,673	Clean for me. It's the kind of playing I do in my old age. __________________ Sounds the tough horn, and twangs the quivering string. --Pope (1688-1744)

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captain gorgeous Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Angel, North London Posts: 1,888 38 Photos	clean for me too. you can play subtle gentle clean and angry frenetic clean. i just think you have more relative-dynamic range within the parameters of clean that you do with dirt. if you want to rock out with a clean guitar you just dig in hard and imagine the crunk. (you can play ac/dc riff son an acoustic and they still "work" right?) but complex jazz chords or delicate harp-like fingerpicked arpegios are never going to work with a dirty sound are they? you can't imagine away that crunch. __________________ "What is it with chimpanzees and that middle parting? It's so 1920s." www.myspace.com/daddylonglegsuk http://www.myspace.com/thetacticians

December 5th, 2005, 10:57 AM	#24 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	CLEAN !!!!! As long as I've got control over My Volume and Tone Control I'll be able to get across. A clean Amp that "blooms" now that's what I call sweet. __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

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Telecicle Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 240	Clean... if I can have a decent compressor... Gotta have the compressor. Call it a crutch, call me weak... just gimme. Cary

December 6th, 2005, 12:36 PM	#26 (permalink)
melodicaster TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 41	Great question! I had to read it twice to fully understand it. My first urge was to say Clean, no question. Then I thought, well, I mean Fender blackface clean. Somebody else's idea of the "perfect" clean might be something other. Given a choice between a nice, crunchy Marshall and the clean of a Polytone Minibrute or a Roland Jazz Chorus, I'd go with the Marshall instead. But if I could really, really have the best blackface clean of a 40 or so watt Fender -- CLEAN all the way! To me, more dynamics, more expressive, more choices (this is assuming you won't allow cleaning up a chrunchy amp by using guitar's volume knob!).