Not too many 15W combos with a single 10", why? - Telecaster Guitar Forum
The Number 1 Fender Telecaster Guitar authority in the world.
   

Go Back   Telecaster Guitar Forum > Amplifier Discussion Forums > Amp Central Station
Forgot Username/Password? Join Us!
Notices

Amp Central Station Amps, tubes, speakers & everything AMP related.


Wilde Pickups by Bill & Becky Lawrence WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Amps, Mods, Pedals dallenpickups.com Warmoth.com seymourduncan.com


Forum Jump


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old December 2nd, 2012, 05:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Europe
Posts: 212
Not too many 15W combos with a single 10", why?

I am thinking of ordering a one channel EF86 + 2xEL84 based Matchless style amp and I have the opportunity to affect on the size of the combo cabinet. At first I thought that surely it would be equipped with a 12" speaker, but lately realized that there seems to be a lot of 10" speakers which have very high decibel ratings and many reviews tells that they sound like a 12". In any case, I would make the cabinet large enough to accomodate 12" size speaker (as small 12" cabinet as possible), but maybe I will take it with a good 10".

I have a 5W Princeton clone with 12" size cabinet, but equipped with 10" speaker. The amp sounds great, I am not missing anything on the bass department. The bigger cabinet beefed up the sound nicely. I just ordered a 10" Red Fang which has 102db and according to user reviews, the sound should be huge. I can't wait to hear how does that sound with this amp.

This led me to realize that I found only a handful of 15W amps with a single 10" speaker (None from Matchless, Bad Cat, Top hat, Swart, etc. modern "boutique" brands). 15W combos are almost always 1x12", 2x10" or bigger. There are many 5W amps with 1x10" though.


Am I missing something crucial by not using a 12" speaker? Why is 1x10" not more popular? Does Santa Claus live in Northpole?

klobasa is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 07:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Rod Parsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Winchester, Va.
Age: 66
Posts: 2,250
The Princeton Reverb amps are 10". 121/2 watts.... Great sound.
Rod Parsons is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 07:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
RubyRae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cincinnati
Age: 38
Posts: 3,613
I guess you are talking about a tweed Princeton at 5 watts, since all the others are 12-15. Plenty of good clones and spinoffs of these amps, most all of which can come with a single 10" speaker.
RubyRae is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links   #
Sponsored posting
 

Old December 2nd, 2012, 07:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Europe
Posts: 212
Yeah, I noticed there are few, mainly Fender voiced amps that might have 1x10", but not too many British/EL84 sounding amps.

I was just wondering if 2 x EL84 Vox type of sound and 1x10" do not fit together -- surely they would nowadays do amps like that if this combination works, no?
klobasa is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 08:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Poster Extraordinaire
 
Chris S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Near TELE-Town (Wash. DC)
Posts: 5,113
The 15-watt Pro Jr. uses a pair of EL84s with a single 10". Also, the Trace Elliot Velocette (and its Gibson counterpart) was the same set up: 15w, 1x10, 2xEL84. CS
__________________
"I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad. It's depressing." – Tara, from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"

"It was born at the junction of form and function." – Bill Kirchen, from "Hammer of the Honky-Tonk Gods"
Chris S. is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 08:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SE PA
Age: 45
Posts: 4,272
I have noticed similar, and suspect it's an impression by the guitar-playing community that a single 10" speaker just is not gig-capable. Perhaps that's just MY impression, as I'd be a bit leary of gigging that way, unless I was playing guitar in a bluesy setting where I was the only guitar player (and my skillz are nowhere near that point)...but I had noticed it.
__________________
42
marshman is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 09:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
Mike Eskimo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Detroit
Posts: 7,810
Made in Britain/true Class A/10" Celestion/15 watts

The 3rd one I've had (they keep falling in my lap !)

Only thing I've never liked is that the speaker-out is for a 16 ohm cab...

I've gigged with it as-is though and our drummer is Keith Moon Jr.

Put it on a chair and it really cuts through



__________________
Geeshie Wiley is my co-pilot
Mike Eskimo is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 09:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
Abu Twangy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rocky Mount, NC
Posts: 979
A single 10" 15 watt amp can be gigworthy for modest volume gigs or if mic'ed. In a lot of cases a 12" is a bit more efficient and fuller sounding therefore slightly louder and "bigger".

For a few years I was using either of two 15 watt amps for gigging--a Blues Jr
and a Pro Jr. I either mic'ed my amp or DI'ed it for bigger gigs.
__________________
I've played all the musical venues in Nashville
North Carolina, that is
Abu Twangy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 09:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Marietta,GA
Age: 59
Posts: 1,776
I think it mainly has to do with weight vs watts. The Pro jr. III, that I have, weighs 20lbs.. It's light and loud and is a great grab and go amp. The Blues Jr. weighs 10 lbs. more, mainly from the speaker.
RockerDuck is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 10:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Morgantown, WV.
Posts: 1,187
I think the 12" is an easier sell to most people. I've got an original Sidekick Reverb 25 that I've played in medium size clubs--no problem hitting the back wall.
Octave Doctor is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 10:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,297
Super Champ XD is a 15 watt ( mostly tube) amp with a 10" speaker.

Gary
Gary in Boston is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 10:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Maryland
Age: 52
Posts: 2,875
I think in the amp version of "Shelf wars" where a product has to compete with the products on the shelf around it, bigger is deemed as better by far to many, so to compete against an amp with a 12, you have to use a 12
celeste is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 11:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: San Diego
Age: 45
Posts: 446
Kustom Defender V15. 15 watts, 2 EL84s, 10" Celestion. I run two in stereo. I am a very happy customer, nice big sound and the four-way bass voicing switch is the single most useful amp control I've ever run across. Got one for cheap off eBay, got the other a bit cheaper from a fine gent via the classifieds here. They run about $300 new but you can get them for much less if you're diligent.

Pretty good looking amp as well if you pull the logo badge off, if that's important to you.
20721 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 08:16 AM   #14 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
castpolymer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Edmond, Oklahoma
Age: 43
Posts: 8,863
Once the Princeton Reverb was made, there was no point in messing around with anything else.Actually, I made a cab for my Vox Nighttrain head and another 1 x 10 cab for my other heads just because I like 10" speaker so much.
__________________
" Tawdry to the last drop!"
castpolymer is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 08:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
Doctor of Teleocity
 
Colo Springs E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 11,173
The older version (about 3 or 4 years ago?) Mesa 5:25 was switchable between 5 and 25 watts and had a 10" speaker. They pop up every now and then on craigslist and ebay.
__________________
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -Frank Sinatra
Colo Springs E is online now   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:49 PM   #16 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,308
I think 'most' low watt amps are designed at a price point too. Smaller speakers may be cheaper. Smaller cabinets uses less material. Lighter products cost less to ship. I like it when they leave enough room to drop a larger one in, if that's your thing.
FenderLover is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 02:50 PM   #17 (permalink)
KC
Friend of Leo's
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Missoula, Montana
Posts: 2,598
I keep thinking somebody ought to reissue the Velocette / GA-15. I've got the Gibson Goldtone version and it's a very versatile, likable amp. Gig amp in a small package. The 10" doesn't seem to hold it back, though with a bright guitar -- a telecaster, say -- it can get a little screechy.
KC is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 03:23 PM   #18 (permalink)
Doctor of Teleocity
 
jefrs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Newbury, England
Age: 59
Posts: 13,020
Hmm, Laney VC15-110

2-channel, 3xECC83, 2xEL84, 15 watts, 1x10-in Jensen, reverb tank, very nice. Fender to Vox to Marshall


If you want a 12-in then you have to move up to 30 watts
VC30-112, VC30-210, VC30-212
__________________
There's two kinds of people, those that hear the music and those that don't.
jefrs is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 03:26 PM   #19 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Spain
Posts: 675
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Eskimo View Post
Made in Britain/true Class A/10" Celestion/15 watts

The 3rd one I've had (they keep falling in my lap !)

Only thing I've never liked is that the speaker-out is for a 16 ohm cab...

I've gigged with it as-is though and our drummer is Keith Moon Jr.

Put it on a chair and it really cuts through



Lovely amp - I've got the same one, recording with and gigging it since '95!
Sherpa is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 3rd, 2012, 03:32 PM   #20 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
winny pooh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: South London
Posts: 4,808
If you are planning to order the Creme brűlée then you must get the OT from the original Matchless source: Bob Wood at kg6epv@yahoo.com. It was recommended to me here on tdpri and although I was skeptical it did make a big difference to how smooth and big the amp now sounds.
winny pooh is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


» Random Photo for Guests
2 Warmoth 62 custom copies

Untitled Document



 


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2



IMPORTANT:Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult! No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 RC 2
© TDPRI.COM 1999 - 2014 All rights reserved.