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Old October 9th, 2012, 08:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bugera V22 vs Deluxe Reverb?

I play country and want two things from my next amp-Twang & Warmth!
I personaly played a through a deluxe reverb, loved it!
But the Bugera V22 is about a 1/3 of the price, anyone with any expierence and hands on with both amps that can compare the sound to me? Thanks

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Old October 9th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm curious about this as well. I know some have reported problems with the V22 but I've never owned or played through one.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 12:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Two different animals....
the Bugera may work for your purposes,I'd personally look for a used DRRI.I picked one up for $500 from a friend.
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Gee, I'm sure it's every bit as good and well made.
They just charge 1/3 price cause they are nice.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I've posted these pictures before (sorry for the repitition) but I think that you get what you pay for.

This is the inside of a Behringer (Bugera) compressor pedal that sells for half of what a decent MXR Dyna Comp sells for.





The input/output 1/4" jacks are plastic.

The input/output 1/4" jacks are not secured to the project box with nuts.....they just lay into the open holes and they are glued to the circuit board. The ends on the plastic jacks have threads but they don't put nuts on the ends....they just lay into the holes in the box.

The pots are glued to the circuit board and the pots are not anchored to the project box with nuts.....they just stick through the open holes in the box.

The mechanical on/off switch that sits under the footswitch looks like a toy.

There are three small screws that hold the circuit board in place......the pots and input/output jacks are simply glued to the board.

Bugera/Behringer builds disposable equipment. If you want to spend $300 now and more later then find a Blues Junior on craigslist for $275 and keep saving. It's worth waiting and working your way up to the Deluxe Reverb.

If you find a Blues Junior (used) for $275 or $300 it will be worth $300 when you get rid of it and it will serve you well while you own it.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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DRRI gives you what you're after and has withstood the test of time

Bugera is a cheap brand, not as good. telex76 has it right imo
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Old October 9th, 2012, 02:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I would take the DRRI,but I personally owned a Bugera V22 and it was a fantastic amp that I regret selling. its had great warm clean tone.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old October 9th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The V22 is a good amp.

I own a Deluxe, along with several other Fender tube amps. I'm a big fan of them.

Having said that, I bought 2 of the V22s, giving 1 to my son. I retubed his with Electro-Harmonix tubes and eventually swapped the speaker for the Jensen from my Supersonic 22. It was a great sounding amp to begin with, doing a serviceable Blackface in the clean, with a rather Marshall like tone in the gain channel. It sounds even better now. I recently got him an old Peavey Classic 410EX cab with some Eminence Blue Marvels in it. Sounds huge.


If you talk apples to apples, a used V22 (compared to a Deluxe)is still a steal, and it has the gain channel, which the Deluxe doesn't. If you are a younger/newer player, don't overlook this amp.

There is so much negative hype about Behringer. I work on my own amps and have disassembled a few of the Bugeras. They are anything but crappy on the inside and itís a not $20 compressor circuit. Pretty well built, in my opinion. My son gigs with his several times a week. It has held up flawlessly.

Either way you go, you'll have a good amp.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Have you tried the Peavey ValveKing 112? 1/3 the price and sounds good too. I have a DRRI and my ValveKing sounds better at low volumes and cleaner at loud volumes.
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I've owned a V22 and I own a Deluxe Reverb ('78). They sound quite different to me, but I like both. The V22 does have a decent gain channel that the Deluxe doesn't have so by itself it is more versatile than the Deluxe. It is best if you can play both before buying and seeing if the Deluxe is worth it.
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I've owned a V22 and I own a Deluxe Reverb ('78). They sound quite different to me, but I like both. The V22 does have a decent gain channel that the Deluxe doesn't have so by itself it is more versatile than the Deluxe. It is best if you can play both before buying and seeing if the Deluxe is worth it.
Is there any differnce in the twang amount?
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Old October 10th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Tone wise, the V22 has a monster tone, especially for $380 new. I never A-B'd with a deluxe though.

My issue with the V22 is that I had 3 that had issues before I finally found one issue free. 2 of them switched channels/reverb by themselves when they got hot. The 3rd started sounding like a helicopter when warm. I've read this is fixed by a simple heatsink addition but I lost faith in the quality at that point and went with an AC15C1 instead.

The Peavey C30 also has some good country tones (though not as good sounding as the V22 in my opinion).
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Is there any differnce in the twang amount?
Either one will give you back what you put into it.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Used one at a friend's house on a jam session and it had an almost ok sound but no projection, no balls, not enough power for what it was.

Might be good for home use but forget about it for a live gig with bass & drums.

Sounded muffled compared to a Fender Deluxe - would rather have a Blues Jr any day.

You get what you pay for - and from that day on I never bought a Behringer product even though they usually get good reviews.

Also tried a 20 watt Traynor that was useless in a band situation.
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I posted the pedal pictures for a simple reason.....to illustrate how they reverse engineer to hit a low price point.

You can't buy $900 worth of quality for $380 (new amp vs new amp). The behringer amp costs less because of cheap labor but it also costs less because the quality is lower. There's no Santa or magic wand. You're getting less.

If you save $275 and buy a used Blues Junior the BJ will still be worth $275 after a few years pass. You know that you can load a Blues Junior or DRRI in and out of a car 4 times per week and it will keep functioning.

Saving $380 and buying a V22 is a risk. You'll spend $380 and you'll have $200 (maybe) in value and it will become a stepping stone purchase.

Be cautious.
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First, I've never seen "Bugera V22" and "Deluxe Reverb Reissue" used in such close proximity.

Second, there's a very good reason why the Bugera is 1/3 the price of the DRRI.

Third, you get what you pay for.
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