Weber speaker critcism-my opinion...

[Schwalbe]

If you were to dig around on Weber's 'Kits' forum under the thread entitled 'Ted' you would find some very troubling information about the man's health. It's not my place, or anybody else's, to speak about the man personal life. That's something for Ted to address. He did address an issue in that thread and if you look for the information it may cause you to cut the guy some slack. At least for the time being.
S'all I'm sayin'

http://www.tedweber.com/cgi-bin/yabb...num=1196443924

[TelZilla]

I could not disagree more with the neative stuff on here about Ted.

I just finished my first amp build, and Ted, CJ, and Ben at Weber VST were responsive and informative. Sometimes I had to email twice, but I don't mind that, and there was a refreshing abscence of the self promotion I've encountered with other builders. I really never felt like I was getting a "hard sell.

You just can't complain, especially at Ted's prices.

And my 2 10A125-O's are simply magnificent. Great sounding speakers.

[JohnnyCrash]

Wow, this is an OLD thread.

It seems there are a lot of folks who haven't tried a great deal of speakers. They swapped out the stock speaker for a Weber OR they've tried one Eminence or another, but otherwise a lot of speakers they have not tried.

I mean, come on, how many times does the average guitar player swap out speakers to have tried more than 3 or 4?

I have to say, from someone addicted to building amps, I've tried a ton of speakers and a lot of brands have some stinkers and some good ones too.

Don't narrow your opinions untul you've heard enough speakers in enough amps.

Weber makes good speakers, but I have had EXTREMELY terrible customer service with them, so I refuse to do business with them. Others have done SEVERAL transactions with nothing but good things to say.

If you want to talk about health and personal stuff, that bears little on how the speakers sound or customer service - it is no longer a one man operation - Weber is a big time industry company now.

2005? wow, this is an old thread...

[Teddy Salad]

[quote=petebradt;323110]I found I liked the old Mojotones (the MP alnico models) which were Eminence built. I liked the low-power models with the paper bobbins. QUOTE]

FWIW, I'm with you, Pete!

I've had Weber's, Emi Red Fangs, and new Jensen RIs in my Vicky 35310, and I have always come back to the old Mojos that came with the amp (It's a '95)
Gotta say, I've had terrific experiences with WeberVST and Eminence, and they are both fine products (I've have numerous models of both in different amps.)

As far as the "dust up" goes, this seems to be a private matter between two good guys...I prefer to leave their business to them. I like this forum too much!


-T.S.

[Darcy Hoover]

Originally Posted by gpower

Hi Ted,

I'll just say thanks for your recommending the ceramic Blue Dog for my little Traynor YCV-20. Transformed that little amp into a monster.

You've just shipped a speaker to my jam partner for his Blues Deluxe.

Next project will be Weber equipped.

Hey, that's me you're talking about! Hoping to see that speaker Monday or Tuesday!

Ted was recommended by a friend (see above) and his service has been nothing short of excellent, taking the time to reply to some no-doubt-annoying-newbie questions, and suprisingly quickly as well. First rate service all the way. In fact I'm quite impressed.

Thanks Ted!

[ibobunot]

Originally Posted by JohnnyCrash

2005? wow, this is an old thread...

The "New Member" that dug this up has one post...


That tells you something right there...

[BoB/335]

Does it really matter is this is an old thread or not, or whether it was dug up from a newbie or not? To me this has little to do with the thread or the topic.
At some point the topic name WAS changed with a comment from the originator.
I'm always interested in these discussions about different speakers. Being in a customer service based business mself, I'm always interested to hear what people have to say about customer service. So many of you seem to have had good experiences with Weber speakers and service. I don't understand why those folks have their shorts so twisted when those that haven't had good experiences voice their opinions. From my point of view, I have a right to hear what everyone has to say on the topic.

And as far as the personal problem that was mentioned, it probably should have stayed between the two of them BUT one of them made it public and then refused to back it up when he was asked more than once to do so. AND while many came to the defense of one, no one came to the defense of the other. I found it unprofessional and in poor judgement for that situation to be made public and further unprofessional to not have properly dealt with it. For ME this reflects on PR and customer service and whether or not I want to do business with whomever. I'm just saying is all......................

[getbent]

Bob335, as Hemingway once wrote "it is the implicaciones." The implications of a really old thread, an old argument from years ago, that was dropped back then is suddenly dredged up by an unknown 'newbie' who may or may not be innocently discovering it. So, it might just matter after all.

As to embarassing conduct... I would venture to say that all of have had good days and not so good days on that topic. At this point, I think everything meaningful has been said, from here it is JUST trolling and stirring to see if people can get angry over something from so long ago.

David Barnett made a great point. Ted is a polarizing character. There you go. He occasionally tells people to stuff it. As for your right? You have no right at all. You may be privileged to hear the discussion as the rest of us are, but you don't get to control it, none of us do, save for Paul...

iBob's post, in my opinion, is a great point... are you saying he shouldn't make it? There are trolls and people who have vested interests in causing trouble and upsetting people and I see nothing wrong with the 5 posts who warn that this may be just that and not a fair discussion.

When you get ready to buy a kit or some speakers, it would be good to pick up the phone and talk to Ted and see what you think... In some ways this is just like real life friends. I have some friends who absolutely despise some of my other friends... and there will be no 'working it out'. It just is.

[ibobunot]

Originally Posted by BoB/335

Does it really matter is this is an old thread or not, or whether it was dug up from a newbie or not? To me this has little to do with the thread or the topic.

My point was this guy dug up an old thread and vanished into thin air?

Not that he was a nOOb....



I was "just saying" it was food for thought....

[OaklandA]

I think it's valid to question dredging up an old thread with a negative, provocative title. Seems trollish.

I didn't like this thread in it's first incarnation and I don't like it now. Like the issue Paul addressed of people starting threads just to start controversies. Certainly there's a better way to revisit the subject matter.

[ignatius01]

maybe the noob is starting a noob speaker company??

[JohnnyCrash]

Originally Posted by getbent

Bob335, as Hemingway once wrote "it is the implicaciones." The implications of a really old thread, an old argument from years ago, that was dropped back then is suddenly dredged up by an unknown 'newbie' who may or may not be innocently discovering it. So, it might just matter after all.

As to embarassing conduct... I would venture to say that all of have had good days and not so good days on that topic. At this point, I think everything meaningful has been said, from here it is JUST trolling and stirring to see if people can get angry over something from so long ago.

David Barnett made a great point. Ted is a polarizing character. There you go. He occasionally tells people to stuff it. As for your right? You have no right at all. You may be privileged to hear the discussion as the rest of us are, but you don't get to control it, none of us do, save for Paul...

iBob's post, in my opinion, is a great point... are you saying he shouldn't make it? There are trolls and people who have vested interests in causing trouble and upsetting people and I see nothing wrong with the 5 posts who warn that this may be just that and not a fair discussion.

When you get ready to buy a kit or some speakers, it would be good to pick up the phone and talk to Ted and see what you think... In some ways this is just like real life friends. I have some friends who absolutely despise some of my other friends... and there will be no 'working it out'. It just is.

Who are you and what have you done with getbent? HAHA

To be fair, the original poster said he sorta liked the 15" JBL clone... I sure would like to know more about why he's so upset about Webers "resistors, diodes, and caps"... all three types went south on you? Really?!

As far as "real life friends", to be told, let's call them "tall stories" (to avoid ruffling feathers), for over a month is something that is universally unacceptable. Honesty is universal, whether friends of friends, or in business. That is why I no longer do business with he-who-shall-not-be-named - that is also why I'd like to know more about this strange out of nowhere component complaint... is it an angry Troll or are there teeth to his complaints?

[getbent]

JC, I totally agree. The topic is always spirited because the folks involved have all of these different kinds of experiences with one person. I think the reasons our experiences are different are from lots of different ingredients... the one major, important ingredient you reference very well in your post. It is the one that really matters most.

[Rob DiStefano]

Aaaaaa, yer all a buncha crazy idiots. Emi's suck, Weber's suck - I only use Jen Neo's now.

[Ricky D.]

Darn it Rob, quit beating around the bush and say what you really think. :)

What I like about Weber... I call them and ask for advice. I buy the recommended speaker. They agree to extend the warranty because it is a Christmas present. Ship promptly. And finally, the speaker sounds great (alnico sig 12 in a Mission 5E3). There is nothing that can be improved here.

[Rob DiStefano]

Seriously, the Emi's, Webers and Jens are all good stuff and each has it's place that only each of us can decide where they'll work "best". Though I am getting more and more partial to the JenNeo's, I've got some Webers and Emi's that work quite well for specific applications.

[BoB/335]

As for your right? You have no right at all. You may be privileged to hear the discussion as the rest of us are, but you don't get to control it, none of us do, save for Paul...

Hey Mr. Mod,

I didn't start this thread. I didn't dredge it up from the dead. I am NOT trying to control anything and it would be really kind of you to show me my evil ways if the exist. (You'd be doing me a favor)

That comment is the same type of comment that was thrown up here earlier. Making accusations without backing them up is a pot stirrer in itself! (And from a Mod)

Enough of this crap for me! How about pointing me to a review on those Jensen Neo's?

edited to say the this thread should have been dob'ed as soon as it resurrected if you wanted to censor it.

[JohnnyCrash]

Originally Posted by Rob DiStefano

Seriously, the Emi's, Webers and Jens are all good stuff and each has it's place that only each of us can decide where they'll work "best". Though I am getting more and more partial to the JenNeo's, I've got some Webers and Emi's that work quite well for specific applications.

EXACTLY!

Like I said, most guitar players haven't tried but maybe 3 or 4 speakers.

Having had built so many dang amps and cabs for myself, I have come to hear a lot of good stuff and a lot of bad stuff.

Webers are good, but not necessarilly "better" than Jensen, Eminence, or Celestions.

I hear you on the Jensen Neo 12-100... I have been addicted to that AND an Eminence Tonkerlite... I play em both equally at home practise (the Emi at most band rehearsals). For recording, etc... I usually end up on a Celestion Vintage 30 or a Jensen P15N reissue a lot of the time. Live I rely on my 2x12" Celestion V30 cab most often.

Originally Posted by BoB/335

Hey Mr. Mod,

I didn't start this thread. I didn't dredge it up from the dead. I am NOT trying to control anything and it would be really kind of you to show me my evil ways if the exist. (You'd be doing me a favor)

That comment is the same type of comment that was thrown up here earlier. Making accusations without backing them up is a pot stirrer in itself! (And from a Mod)

Enough of this crap for me! How about pointing me to a review on those Jensen Neo's?

edited to say the this thread should have been dob'ed as soon as it resurrected if you wanted to censor it.

Yes, a thread this old is fishy, but I'm with you 100% Bob/335.

You always need to hear the "warts and all" when thinking about buying something from ANYBODY.

As far as the personal/health stuff, I agree, that should not have been brought up either.

That said, like I mentioned, I will NEVER buy from Weber again, BUT his speakers are OK. "Better than" Jensen, Eminence, etc? No, not better - just different in its strengths and weaknesses... customer service was a SEVERE kick to my b@!!$ though.

Also to be fair, Eminence has finally had to cave in to offshoring. They have facilities in China now :(

Good news is the speakers still sound great (Celestion has tight QA on their Chinese made speakers as well).

AS FAR AS THE JENSEN NEO 12-100:
Not sure of where a review is, but I can tell you they are GREAT speakers!! Bright, yet not harsh while still having plenty of bottom. A clear midrange. The Jensen Neo 12-100 has an almost "color-less" quality to them. Loud, full frequency response, AND a pretty balanced frequency response.

Having tried many speakers through many amps through many guitars/pickups, I have to say the Neo 12 will give you a very clear view of what an amp or pickup (or even tonewood) sounds like - this may or may not be a bad thing... afterall, I select some speakers for the color they bestow :)

[BoB/335]

Thanks for the review. I had tried a DRRI. It would have been nice carrying around an amp that size and weight. I didn't like it at gigging volume (which is probably where most like it) I don't like it really loud so I probably never got to the sweet spot. Who knows. Tried a '76 Vibrolux Reverb. Tried hard to like it. Nice size and weight. Flabby bottom. Maybe needed a speaker swap ( a good pair of W never mind) Maybe didn't give it enough time. Maybe prefer 12's over 10's. Sold that and picked up a very clean '69 Pro Reverb. One speaker developed a rub right away so my Tech threw me a Fender replacement speaker (Probably from a DRRI) Bigger magnet than the stock Oxford. My tech had highly recommended the Jensen Neo's for a good sounding match for the Pro as well as shedding a few pounds off the Pro. (That would be nice) He also thought they would do great in my '68 Twin and really shed some pounds by removing those EVM 12L's I have in there.

Do you agree that they would be good in those amps? I play a '68 335 through an old KING Vox-wah and a FD2 mosfet pedal. Play mostly blues/rock, classic rock. Think Clapton meets Santana.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Wiredman

The speaker sounds middy, honky ,no real crisp bright tones no good breakup, ect.... ... This is the 3rd Weber speaker I've tried and I haven't liked any of them.

Does Weber amplifiers manufacture the Weber speakers also?
Weber makes an excellent 15" combo amp and a 15" cabinet to make a Pedal Steel amp setup.

[Maggot]

I live their grills!

[JohnnyCrash]

Originally Posted by BoB/335

Do you agree that they would be good in those amps? I play a '68 335 through an old KING Vox-wah and a FD2 mosfet pedal. Play mostly blues/rock, classic rock. Think Clapton meets Santana.

Haven't tried the Jensen Neo 10's yet...

But I would definitely suggest giving the 12"s a whirl.

One of my favorite sounding speakers... very lightweight too.