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Old June 10th, 2012, 10:41 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Old June 10th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #42 (permalink)
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depends on the application of course, but if the rules are one and only one for everything, then it has to be an EV12L.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 12:10 PM   #43 (permalink)
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hate to throw another variable in here. why did some company's use tweeters in there guitar amps? is it because they had to compensate for the speakers of the time? or the tube design *this does not make much sense since the frequency tweeters tweet*. after reading the wiki page on them.. it got me wondering/thinking, never a good thing ( i could blow my self up, laughs ).
where they trying to cover the full spectrum, but if this is the case, would that not be like throwing ice picks into your ears for those who could hear that high?
i do understand the bass is a compromise. just trying to figure out why they thought the tweet was a good thing in the guitar amp in the early stages.
yet iv seen tweets used with some of the speakers mention here. shrugs.
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i doubt this has any thing to do with it, but could it be because other instruments like the harmonica?
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Old June 10th, 2012, 12:39 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Old June 10th, 2012, 02:44 PM   #45 (permalink)
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i am really starting to love my swamp thang. it is up to about 20 hours of genuine gig time and was very noticably becoming even more responsive this weekend, allowing me to enjoy the widest variation of tone with my same tele that i've ever had at my disposal. really makes it fun !!
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well, it depends, but if I could only have one, it would be a Jensen Jet Blackbird. Having said that, it doesn't work so well with my AC-30 clone. That only sounds right with Celestion Blues. Of course, I haven't tried Red Fangs in there, so I'm a goober who is completely unqualified to have an opinion.

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To get maximum efficiency from the speaker I would personally make the baffle solid so it doesn't move. I would rear mount the speaker too, so the baffle and the grille are all one unit, making the construction simpler.

If you front mount the speaker, you'll need a seperate grill frame (or another baffle) to hold the grille cloth. Depending on how you design the grille, that can add a lot of weight to the cab...but can make speaker changing a little quicker if that's a consideration.
Agree. You want as solid a baffle as possible. You want the speaker to create the wave form. If the baffle is moving it will create another wave as well, which will distort the speaker's output at best and cancel out the speaker's wave at worst. With the intense movement of the diaphram in todays speakers, the speaker needs a firm seating.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 04:24 PM   #48 (permalink)
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hate to throw another variable in here. why did some company's use tweeters in there guitar amps? is it because they had to compensate for the speakers of the time? or the tube design *this does not make much sense since the frequency tweeters tweet*. after reading the wiki page on them.. it got me wondering/thinking, never a good thing ( i could blow my self up, laughs ).
where they trying to cover the full spectrum, but if this is the case, would that not be like throwing ice picks into your ears for those who could hear that high?
i do understand the bass is a compromise. just trying to figure out why they thought the tweet was a good thing in the guitar amp in the early stages.
yet iv seen tweets used with some of the speakers mention here. shrugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweeter

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i doubt this has any thing to do with it, but could it be because other instruments like the harmonica?
Probably just a marketing gimmick "We are SPECIAL! We have TWEETERS!". Understandable to have in a bass amp given the high frequency harmonics (my bass amps have always had horns with a cross-over), but largely a waste of space in a guitar cab, unless someone is trying to add a more responsive high frequency element to a 15-inch speaker or an acoustic amp.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Currently it's the EMI Red, white and Blues and the C-rex. Good for different things.
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This one, Eminence OEM Fender 10. After lots of other examples, I've settled on a pair in my Vibrolux Reverb.



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Old June 10th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Probably just a marketing gimmick "We are SPECIAL! We have TWEETERS!". Understandable to have in a bass amp given the high frequency harmonics (my bass amps have always had horns with a cross-over), but largely a waste of space in a guitar cab, unless someone is trying to add a more responsive high frequency element to a 15-inch speaker or an acoustic amp.
ok, im glad im not the only one who was sorta thinking in that direction. but i figured i would ask here since its sorta goes along with the speakers and im a noob.. so many variables to consider ( magnets,cone shape,what the cones made out of, what glue what used, what size, ohm... and so on and so on... and throw in we all here different, different tubes respond differently amp circuits,cabinet material, and marketing takes advantage of everything they can.. bangs head against wall. i will say i glad we have so many options tho even if it confuses me to death. laughs. ). i found this webpage, it has help me understand how speakers work much better. im sure most know this stuff but ill post the link for the guys who may not. it explains how to calculate if you amp will be louder with more than one speaker using ohm;s law.

http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/ohms_law.html

and to top it off i read some where you had to have your speakers re coned every 10 years no matter when they were built. seems sorta stupid thing to do if the speaker sounds good. but im new to this stuff, so i dunno if i should use logic, or believe everything i read. laughs :)

or how about this sales pitch on ebay:

"Fender Champion 600 tube amp. It has a much needed grill cloth upgrade. The original stock grill cloth is terrible and barely lets sound through. I replaced the grill cloth with an authentic Marshall Checkerboard grill cloth which is known to have a smoother sound and not let piercing highs through as much as other grill cloth types. "

and if the owner to this amp is on this forum. i would love for you to send me to a link on it, sounds fascinating.

yeah i get a tight pattern weave would muffle the sound,, but do not see how in the heck you are gonna engineer a cloth to smooth out a sound wave. ill shut up now, before i confuse my self even more.



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Old June 10th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Lotsa nice speakers mentioned. I love the Celestion Blue, and have one in a 1x12 for recording. Red Fang is great, but my current fave (just installed in my BFDR) is an Eminence Cannabis Rex.
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JBL D-130, hands down, no question. That speaker is so good, sometimes I feel unworthy to play through it.
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Never even thought I cared about speakers until I heard a couple of these.
I know they're known for cleans, but driven by a cranked 5E3 (tweed Deluxe), mine is heavenly.
All that delicious overdrive with the note separation/articulation this speaker offers is amazing.
Just at my last gig, some guy came up to me and said, "I love the way your guitar sounds...it's like I can really hear every note." I'm not sure if the guy is a player, but he was trying to articulate something that he couldn't totally put his finger on.
I knew just what he was talking about, though.
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looks like jbl got it right on his first speaker design after buying the company. if the wiki page is correct, of course with help from the alico magnet guy. the jbl d130 was his first speaker design.
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