Talk to me about a hot rod deville 212

[flag72]

well talk about a turn around, a week ago I was looking for a vintage Fender twin reverb amp but man there expensive 700.00to 1500.00$ plus taxes at customs. Im no professionel player Im a play at home with friend's kinda guy...BUT a deal on a fender hot rod deville 212 U.S.A. model as come up with a pedal trade it would cost me 330.00$ for that AMP.what do you think about that deal and, are deville 212 a good amp...I have other amp's but I would like a fender tube amp and with this deal WELLyou know
hope Im not to much of a bother with my million's of
thanks TDPRI member for all the help

[scantron81]

HEAVY. Too many watts to put to good use. It's MDF. Did I mention it's heavy? 1x12 Deluxe is plenty loud and slightly lighter on the shoulder.

[jh45gun]

Go for it good price and do not listen to that Too Heavy BS or Too Loud BS, amps have a volume knob for a reason. It's no vintage twin but for the price I would pull the trigger on it. Good luck

[scantron81]

Yep, that's me, just full of BS. I have no idea what I'm talking about. True, amps have volume knobs, but the idea behind a tube amp is to crank it to the sweet spot. Trying to find the sweet spot on a Deville is like finding the sweet spot on a Twin Reverb. It's way too loud for any stage gig. I never got mine past 2 at live gigs.

OP: Play it, listen to your ears and make your own decisions. Ignore people who casually disregard the experience of others.

[StephaninMelb]

No Brainer....Super Bargain price - Serious tube amp at a Fender Champ price.

...............you better run before it slips away

[scantron81]

It IS a good price and it does have a precious clean tone. Is this specific model a Made in USA or Made in Mexico model? I've owned M-USA HR Deluxe and HR Deville. Even the Deluxe was loud at 40 watts. The volume knob doesn't taper well. Anything above two is cranked and it doesn't do much after 6.

After much trial and error, I've found that 22 tube watts is plenty o' swat for my applications.

[Ledoux]

Had one for 10 years, built in 90's. The clean channel and reverb were good. The overdrive wasn't very good to me, too muddy. Plenty loud but the dang volume knob went from usable to "oh dear lord" by 2.5 (goes to 12 btw). Probably would've changed that if I'd have known better. The foot pedal jack crapped out too and it's a pain to fix since all of it is directly on the PCB. Heavy thing but built like a tank and good looking. It'll keep up with anyone else you might run into (heavy drummers and guys with stacks). Other than the faults I've stated, it treated me pretty well. Doesn't eat tubes either. Good entry into tube amps I'd say but not the end of the journey for that one amp.

[flag72]

Originally Posted by scantron81

It IS a good price and it does have a precious clean tone. Is this specific model a Made in USA or Made in Mexico model? I've owned M-USA HR Deluxe and HR Deville. Even the Deluxe was loud at 40 watts. The volume knob doesn't taper well. Anything above two is cranked and it doesn't do much after 6.

After much trial and error, I've found that 22 tube watts is plenty o' swat for my applications.

hey scantron81: yes it is a U.S.A. model,and dont worry I never listen to BS I just read what info you guy's gives me and then decide. and its all worth it
again thank you

[jh45gun]

Originally Posted by scantron81

Yep, that's me, just full of BS. I have no idea what I'm talking about. True, amps have volume knobs, but the idea behind a tube amp is to crank it to the sweet spot. Trying to find the sweet spot on a Deville is like finding the sweet spot on a Twin Reverb. It's way too loud for any stage gig. I never got mine past 2 at live gigs.

OP: Play it, listen to your ears and make your own decisions. Ignore people who casually disregard the experience of others.

Just because you prefer a Delux does not mean every one has to! This Sweet spot nonsense is just that because I guarantee NO ONE out on a dance floor is gonna say gee listen to that amps sweet spot. Does not matter if your pushing a small amp or have a pedal in front of a large one it both sounds good enough that the normal person cannot tell the difference.

[flag72]

please guy's dont turn this into a fight,I just wanted some INFO

[robt57]

Buy it and get an effects loop master volume box to get past the reverse audio taper vol pot issue.

Home amp = weight non issue

Just know this is a very loud amp, no doubt.. ;)

BTW, the sweet spot of a Deluxe may ne lower, but hardly less loud worth mentioning, especially if you are no competing for SPL.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TUBE-AMP-VOLUME-BOX-FENDER-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Deville-/140698171805?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c243 b99d

[jh45gun]

Not my intention of turning any thing into a fight just stating my views though I get tired of the small amp camp saying large amps are too heavy or they cannot be used in any situation it just is not true. For years the ONLY amp I had was a 68 Super Reverb. I used that amp for over 20 years in all applications and never thought GEE I cannot get the Sweet Spot. If I wanted dirt I used a pedal and that was when Fuzz pedals were just coming out. I never had any issues with that amp not doing the job no matter what the situation. A large amp can cover all situations. You cannot necessarily say that about a small amp.

[StephaninMelb]

Your favourite tube amp tech can perform lots of simple mods on a Hot Rod Deville. It is a fairly flexible amp, not as easy as the older designs, but lots of mods can be done. Some examples:

• Point-to-point rebuilds

Torres Engineering
Fender HotRod and Deville Series Brightness Mod
$18

http://torresengineering.stores.yaho...bluesdelb.html

Torres Engineering
Fender HotRod and Deville Series Adjustable Bias Mod
$29

http://torresengineering.stores.yaho...bluesdevn.html

Volume Pot Mod
Replace the linear master volume pot with a suitable audio taper PCB-mount potentiometer to provide better volume
around $8.

Fromel have over 20 mods for a Hot Rod Deville

http://fromelelectronics.com/modific...Hot-Rod-Deluxe

I am sure you can find lots more possible mods...

[scantron81]

Not a small amp camp guy here. I run a 50 watt Bassman or 35 watt Bogen through a 2x12 cab or a 1x12 DRRI (my primary amp). Comparing the DRRI to a HR Deluxe is a matter of few inches in difference of size.

W/E. Carry on with your bad self...

[T Prior]

Good grief can anyone ask a question about an amp over 40 watts without the 22 watt society claiming the high ground?

"You don't need it, it's too heavy, you can''t get it up past 2 "

A specific question is being asked about the HR DEVILLE, why are we answering with the 22 watt answer? What gives ?

Here's the deal..you guys that love the 22 watt amps, GREAT ! They are great amps, no doubt...But have you checked the news, that's only ONE amp on the planet, rather than inject the 22 watt theory in every discussion, please consider that it's getting old..sorry.

Ok, the 60 watt HOT ROD Deville 2x12, I own one, used it for 10 years non stop, upgraded from the 40 watt HR Deluxe because it didn't have quality headroom for my purpose. I bought the 40 Watt HR Deluxe when they first came out and used one for a few years before I gave up on the headroom thing. The cure, the 60 watt HR Deville.

HR DEVILLE..2x12...IT"S A GREAT AMP ! at that price it's a no brainer....


For many of us that use a "bigger" amp, such as the 60 watt HR Deville or a Twin, it's not about volume, it's about clean headroom...If your playing style requires some clean playing at a good clip..get the HR Deville and don't look back.

I was recently asked , if I had to part with all of my amps, which would I keep...it would be a toss up between the 71 Twin and the Hot Rod Deville..

t

PS , I like my Pizza with Pepperoni, I'm sure someone will tell me to use Meatballs instead, Pepperoni is not good...

[Big_Bend]

Originally Posted by T Prior

HR DEVILLE..2x12...IT"S A GREAT AMP ! at that price it's a no brainer....


For many of us that use a "bigger" amp, such as the 60 watt HR Deville or a Twin, it's not about volume, it's about clean headroom...If you playing style requires some clean playing at a good clip..get the HR Deville and don't look back.

+1000 exactly!!!

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[jh45gun]

Originally Posted by Big_Bend

+1000 exactly!!!

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Agreed T Prior and Big Bend

[Green Lantern]

That's a good price for that amp if everything is in good shape and working order.

When I think of Hot Rod DeVilles, I think of utilitarian amplifiers that aren't fancy, that are dull looking, and not the best sounding. They are not at all classy, in my opinion. However, I don't think that's what they're meant to be. They give decent tube driven Fender-voiced clean tones and are at a more affordable price than other Fender options. They also have the capability of doing this very loudly. They get the job done, and as mentioned, can pretty much keep up with anything, volume-wise.

I think they're okay amplifiers, but if I had one, I doubt I'd use it, given some other amps that I own. They definitely do a good job of filling in a certain niche in the amp market. $330 or so is a really good price for one, if you're sure you can do fine without the pedals you'd also be giving up.

[flag72]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

That's a good price for that amp if everything is in good shape and working order.

When I think of Hot Rod DeVilles, I think of utilitarian amplifiers that aren't fancy, that are dull looking, and not the best sounding. They are not at all classy, in my opinion. However, I don't think that's what they're meant to be. They give decent tube driven Fender-voiced clean tones and are at a more affordable price than other Fender options. They also have the capability of doing this very loudly. They get the job done, and as mentioned, can pretty much keep up with anything, volume-wise.

I think they're okay amplifiers, but if I had one, I doubt I'd use it, given some other amps that I own. They definitely do a good job of filling in a certain niche in the amp market. $330 or so is a really good price for one, if you're sure you can do fine without the pedals you'd also be giving up.

hey Green Lantern:Im only giving up 1 pedal BD-2 W/ keeley mod but I never use it !!! and I do keep the rest of my pedal

[Green Lantern]

Ah, I see. That sounds like a spectacular deal, then.