Eminence Red Fang..anyone here it?

BobbyB · December 28th, 2004, 04:54 PM

The new Red Fang 12" alnico from eminence anyone try it yet?

Tim Swartz · December 28th, 2004, 05:25 PM

A bit bright for my tastes. I do like the Governor.

BobbyB · December 29th, 2004, 03:20 PM

What amp did you try it through? I want to try one in my tweed deluxe repro. Im thinking it may be too bright in a blackface type amp but maybe not so with tweed?

Tim Swartz · December 29th, 2004, 03:27 PM

BF Princeton Reverb. It may work nicely in a tweed Deluxe. I have a '51 and these are incredibly dark sounding. I put the brightest speaker I own in it, a '70s 30w Celestion w/ 75hz cone...and it is wonderful! The Red Fang actually gave the PR a voxy vibe.

Greg V · December 29th, 2004, 07:42 PM

Here's cut/paste from a previous post of mine re: Red Fangs... Only tried them a short while but I dig them....
Cool,
Greg V.

Eminence Red Fang and Alnico speaker musings
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:10 pm
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Hi,
I had just a few minutes to try out the new Eminence Red Fang Alnico 12" speaker, 30 watts power rating I think? I heard it thru a 1x12 cab hooked up to a BF Deluxe Reverb. I was pretty impressed for a new=tight speaker. Nice rich lows, not boomy, full throated mids and a airy top end.

When pushed it felt VERY good. I have two Celestion Alnico Blues in my '66 Pro Reverb that I love very dearly, my favorite speakers.
More testing to be done with the Fang but it's looking good!

Alnico speakers feel like this to me: Imagine a rubber beach ball and your pickin' hand is sqeezing the ball. The harder you squeeze the ball (or hit the strings in this case) it compresses and pushes back at you. It's like the speaker is dancing with your hands thru the poweramp. Very dynamic, organic and breathing with your soul...

I love speakers that are like a "Spider Web" in sensitivity, the slightest variation in hand attack translates to an explosion of overtones.

My two favs are the 15 watt Alnico Blues as mentioned as well as the Celestion G12H30 which is a 30 watt ceramic. I had the luxury to set up a speaker shoot out with a bunch of same brand 1x12 open back cabs, each loaded with Blues, G12H30, V30, Greenback and Classic 80. This allowed very quick changes in speakers, in seconds. I used my '66 Pro Reverb to hit the speakers hard with my Fender Nocaster Tele.

My two main speaker tests for my ears are:
#1 Lively test.
Find a few notes that "drop" into feedback without hitting the strings at all. The Blues and G12H30 were the only two to grab the overtones quickly and smear into feedback and coax the different harmonics within the same note by changing proximity to the speaker cabs. To me, it meant that these two speakers are living in the "Spider Web" and full of nuance and detail.

#2 Fullness Test for high end.
I play only a few notes, 3-4 at most on the bridge pickup, using only the high E or B strings above the 12th fret, no vibrato. It helps to hear the girth in the high end and complexity to the note. For me if the speaker is fat in the highs (not murky) the lows and mids are full of high cholesterol and rich in harmonics. I then play lower full chords to hear string to string seperation and see if the notes melt together like chocalate in the sun. Again the Blues/G12H30 ruled.

The G12H30 is not a hard speaker at all to me, possibly since its a lower wattage ceramic? The G12 when pushed kinda rolls over on itself and folds the bass closer to an alnico, to me. Many Higher wattage Ceramics, such as V30's are much harder to me, like squeezing a bowling ball to use the analogy from above.

Rick S · December 31st, 2004, 05:37 AM

Buy one Bobby, you'll like it. I have a half dozen or more of these out in 5E3s and feedback is very good. I actually like them better than current production Celestion alnico blues, and other clones thereof that I've tried. Other applications I've heard them in were a 2x12" tweed 5E8-A and a JTM 45 clone with a sealed 2x12" cab, superb.

BobbyB · January 5th, 2005, 10:40 PM

Well I purchased the Red Fang and installed it in my 5e3 tweed deluxe. This is one efficient speaker! My deluxe was never this loud.(almost...with a Celestion Blue)
The Fang has lots of Bass and highs. It doesnt have the midrange complexity of the Celestion Blue. The highs sparkle. Pick attack is great. Humbuckers sound sweet through this speaker,but my Tele was a tad bright.
They named this speaker right..... it has FANGS.Cuts through like a knife and its loud!
Overall a nice alnico speaker half the price of a Blue.

mark norwine · January 9th, 2005, 08:39 PM

i like it a lot....my experience is somewhat limited at this point, but this new patriot & readcoat series from emenence seems to be a very fine offering, indeed. i'm sold!

i'm eager to try the governor, too.

also, ya sure can't beat the price on these new emenence speakers & the fact that they're in stock for immediate shipment is a real nice change!

Pierce · January 10th, 2005, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark norwine

i like it a lot....my experience is somewhat limited at this point, but this new patriot & readcoat series from emenence seems to be a very fine offering, indeed. i'm sold!

i'm eager to try the governor, too.

also, ya sure can't beat the price on these new emenence speakers & the fact that they're in stock for immediate shipment is a real nice change!

I like the cannabis rex..
here's the specs on the copperhead...

http://www.eminence.com/eminence/pag...copperhead.htm

do a search for dealers..there is one one every block!

tom

BrianF · January 10th, 2005, 11:08 PM

Just a great speaker...picked it up off ebay for $52 brand new....

I had a Weber 12A125 in my Tweed Deluxe clone which I wasn't happy with...I had it in just because it was supposed to be the retro speaker for that amp. I swapped the Weber for the Eminence Cannabis Rex and what a difference it made....GREAT tone...I sold the Weber and haven't missed it one bit.

68tele · January 11th, 2005, 01:55 PM

Hey BobbyB: RedFang loud enough to hang with a band?

mark norwine · January 11th, 2005, 02:04 PM

depends on the amp....
depends on the band....

but at 103dB@1W@1M, that's a stout lil' speaker! it's gonna move "more air per watt" than almost anything else available on the market today.

68tele · January 11th, 2005, 04:14 PM

I know. I was just wondering what the context was..."Cuts through like a knife and its loud!" I have a P12Q reissue in my 5E3 and it has a hard time keeping up with a loud drummer, tho I have gigged it (miked thru PA) and it was fine in the room and just loud enough for me to hear myself next to said drummer. The P12Q is rated at 96dB, Red Fang is 103dB: would that 7dB difference be perceptively louder?

KC · January 11th, 2005, 05:28 PM

dB scale is logarithmic which means that 7dB is a lot -- if you can almost hang at 96, you should be cruising at 103.

not that specs like this are usually all that accurate -- still have to try it to find out -- but if they're anywhere close to real, you should hear a clear and perceptible difference.

BobbyB · January 11th, 2005, 08:25 PM

I know your talking about the difference between the jensen and Red Fang. I originally had a jensen in my Tweed Deluxe and replaced it with a Celestion Blue. The Blue could hang with a band. The Red Fang is louder than the Blue and cuts through better. My opinion is yes, it can hang with a decent drummer.

68tele · January 12th, 2005, 11:52 AM

Sweet!

djinn1973 · August 24th, 2007, 04:48 AM

btt

JohnnyCrash · August 24th, 2007, 05:17 AM

Bright?

Put one in an amp rated for 25+ watts and turn the volume up to 10...

FMA · August 24th, 2007, 10:11 AM

I recently put one in my AC15. Previously had the Wharfdale ceramic in it. Huge difference. Great sounding speaker. Good bass. Nice chimey highs. Breaks up smoothly. Not as harsh as the ceramic.
I can't say anything about how it would sound in a 5e3 amp, but in a 15-watt, EL84-powered amp, it sounds great.

krashjones · August 24th, 2007, 12:12 PM

I have one in my 18W and I love it dearly. If it would fit in my Princeton Reverb without interfering with the OT then I would put it in there too. It's the standard alnico speaker I put in all of the amps I build. FWIW a Private Jack sounds almost identical when not cranked (like in my low-watt amps), and in a 2x12 a mix of a RF and a PJ, or a Wizard in and a Red Fang, is the real deal man!

love those red Eminence speakers...

11 Gauge · August 24th, 2007, 01:50 PM

I think it's too bad that the cat's out of the bag with the Red Fang - Eminence will no doubt raise the price at some point.

The RedCoats are so good that it's unbelievable.

I have a Governor and can't say enough good things about it. EL34/6V6/open back/closed back - it sounds good in all configurations.

Someone really close to me that has more than a few Supers and Vibroluxes has both CopperHeads and Ragin Cajuns, and is happy with those - so Emi got it right with the Patriot series as well, it seems.

Even if the Red Fang only did about 70% of what the Alnico Blue has claimed it's fame for, we're talking about a great speaker.

Flashback · August 24th, 2007, 02:05 PM

Mine sounds awesome in my Mission 5E3. Not bright to me. It definitely increased the volume on my tweed and also balanced the tone and took the mud away.

tele12 · August 24th, 2007, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FMA

... but in a 15-watt, EL84-powered amp, it sounds great.

In the 15-watt EL84 can it hang with a hard hitting drummer?

tele12 · August 24th, 2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 11 Gauge

I think it's too bad that the cat's out of the bag with the Red Fang - Eminence will no doubt raise the price at some point.

They did, the Red Fang is $165 now. No longer half the price of a Celestion Blue at $250.

FMA · August 24th, 2007, 03:29 PM

Tele12,
I use my AC15 as my main gig amp. I set it so it's just on the edge of breakup, a fairly clean tone, and use pedals to push it.
In our setup, it's perfect. It's a pretty loud amp. But then, we try to keep stage volume under control and let the PA do the heavy lifting. On stage, I have no problems hearing my amp. But then again, our drummer understands playing dynamics.
So I guess the answer is yes. The Red Fang seems to be more efficient than the stock speaker and the amp does seem louder. But it could be that it sounds just clearer, if that makes any sense, and therefore sounds louder...
Does that make any sense?

tele12 · August 24th, 2007, 04:57 PM

FMA,
Yes it makes plenty of sense, the amp (traynor YCV20WR 15 watts )I am thinking of putting the Red Fang in now has a Greenback, doesn't cut through as well as a Pro Junior, also 15 watts.

dibber124 · August 24th, 2007, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tele12

In the 15-watt EL84 can it hang with a hard hitting drummer?

Well...you could mic the amp thru the PA or tell the drummer to play softer???

December 28th, 2004, 04:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
BobbyB Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 218 2 Photos	Eminence Red Fang..anyone here it? The new Red Fang 12" alnico from eminence anyone try it yet? __________________ slip-slidin away___

December 28th, 2004, 05:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tim Swartz Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan - Tweenst the Great Lakes Posts: 1,904	A bit bright for my tastes. I do like the Governor. __________________

December 29th, 2004, 03:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
BobbyB Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 218 2 Photos	re:Tim What amp did you try it through? I want to try one in my tweed deluxe repro. Im thinking it may be too bright in a blackface type amp but maybe not so with tweed? __________________ slip-slidin away___

December 29th, 2004, 03:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tim Swartz Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan - Tweenst the Great Lakes Posts: 1,904	BF Princeton Reverb. It may work nicely in a tweed Deluxe. I have a '51 and these are incredibly dark sounding. I put the brightest speaker I own in it, a '70s 30w Celestion w/ 75hz cone...and it is wonderful! The Red Fang actually gave the PR a voxy vibe. __________________

December 29th, 2004, 07:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Greg V Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nashville Posts: 120	Here's cut/paste from a previous post of mine re: Red Fangs... Only tried them a short while but I dig them.... Cool, Greg V. Eminence Red Fang and Alnico speaker musings Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:10 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I had just a few minutes to try out the new Eminence Red Fang Alnico 12" speaker, 30 watts power rating I think? I heard it thru a 1x12 cab hooked up to a BF Deluxe Reverb. I was pretty impressed for a new=tight speaker. Nice rich lows, not boomy, full throated mids and a airy top end. When pushed it felt VERY good. I have two Celestion Alnico Blues in my '66 Pro Reverb that I love very dearly, my favorite speakers. More testing to be done with the Fang but it's looking good! Alnico speakers feel like this to me: Imagine a rubber beach ball and your pickin' hand is sqeezing the ball. The harder you squeeze the ball (or hit the strings in this case) it compresses and pushes back at you. It's like the speaker is dancing with your hands thru the poweramp. Very dynamic, organic and breathing with your soul... I love speakers that are like a "Spider Web" in sensitivity, the slightest variation in hand attack translates to an explosion of overtones. My two favs are the 15 watt Alnico Blues as mentioned as well as the Celestion G12H30 which is a 30 watt ceramic. I had the luxury to set up a speaker shoot out with a bunch of same brand 1x12 open back cabs, each loaded with Blues, G12H30, V30, Greenback and Classic 80. This allowed very quick changes in speakers, in seconds. I used my '66 Pro Reverb to hit the speakers hard with my Fender Nocaster Tele. My two main speaker tests for my ears are: #1 Lively test. Find a few notes that "drop" into feedback without hitting the strings at all. The Blues and G12H30 were the only two to grab the overtones quickly and smear into feedback and coax the different harmonics within the same note by changing proximity to the speaker cabs. To me, it meant that these two speakers are living in the "Spider Web" and full of nuance and detail. #2 Fullness Test for high end. I play only a few notes, 3-4 at most on the bridge pickup, using only the high E or B strings above the 12th fret, no vibrato. It helps to hear the girth in the high end and complexity to the note. For me if the speaker is fat in the highs (not murky) the lows and mids are full of high cholesterol and rich in harmonics. I then play lower full chords to hear string to string seperation and see if the notes melt together like chocalate in the sun. Again the Blues/G12H30 ruled. The G12H30 is not a hard speaker at all to me, possibly since its a lower wattage ceramic? The G12 when pushed kinda rolls over on itself and folds the bass closer to an alnico, to me. Many Higher wattage Ceramics, such as V30's are much harder to me, like squeezing a bowling ball to use the analogy from above. __________________ Cool, Greg V. teles and a long dusty road... my CD "Tailgate Troubadour"

December 31st, 2004, 05:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Rick S Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 494	Buy one Bobby, you'll like it. I have a half dozen or more of these out in 5E3s and feedback is very good. I actually like them better than current production Celestion alnico blues, and other clones thereof that I've tried. Other applications I've heard them in were a 2x12" tweed 5E8-A and a JTM 45 clone with a sealed 2x12" cab, superb.

January 5th, 2005, 10:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
BobbyB Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 218 2 Photos	Bought one...review Well I purchased the Red Fang and installed it in my 5e3 tweed deluxe. This is one efficient speaker! My deluxe was never this loud.(almost...with a Celestion Blue) The Fang has lots of Bass and highs. It doesnt have the midrange complexity of the Celestion Blue. The highs sparkle. Pick attack is great. Humbuckers sound sweet through this speaker,but my Tele was a tad bright. They named this speaker right..... it has FANGS.Cuts through like a knife and its loud! Overall a nice alnico speaker half the price of a Blue. __________________ slip-slidin away___

January 9th, 2005, 08:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
mark norwine Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 50 Posts: 1,382	i like it a lot....my experience is somewhat limited at this point, but this new patriot & readcoat series from emenence seems to be a very fine offering, indeed. i'm sold! i'm eager to try the governor, too. also, ya sure can't beat the price on these new emenence speakers & the fact that they're in stock for immediate shipment is a real nice change!

January 10th, 2005, 11:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
BrianF Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Carlsbad, Ca Posts: 2,179 7 Photos	Cannabis Rex here too... Just a great speaker...picked it up off ebay for $52 brand new.... I had a Weber 12A125 in my Tweed Deluxe clone which I wasn't happy with...I had it in just because it was supposed to be the retro speaker for that amp. I swapped the Weber for the Eminence Cannabis Rex and what a difference it made....GREAT tone...I sold the Weber and haven't missed it one bit.

January 11th, 2005, 01:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
68tele Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northport LI Posts: 670	Hey BobbyB: RedFang loud enough to hang with a band?

January 11th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
mark norwine Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 50 Posts: 1,382	depends on the amp.... depends on the band.... but at 103dB@1W@1M, that's a stout lil' speaker! it's gonna move "more air per watt" than almost anything else available on the market today.

January 11th, 2005, 04:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
68tele Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northport LI Posts: 670	I know. I was just wondering what the context was..."Cuts through like a knife and its loud!" I have a P12Q reissue in my 5E3 and it has a hard time keeping up with a loud drummer, tho I have gigged it (miked thru PA) and it was fine in the room and just loud enough for me to hear myself next to said drummer. The P12Q is rated at 96dB, Red Fang is 103dB: would that 7dB difference be perceptively louder?

January 11th, 2005, 05:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
KC Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Missoula, Montana Posts: 1,255 16 Photos	dB scale is logarithmic which means that 7dB is a lot -- if you can almost hang at 96, you should be cruising at 103. not that specs like this are usually all that accurate -- still have to try it to find out -- but if they're anywhere close to real, you should hear a clear and perceptible difference.

January 11th, 2005, 08:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
BobbyB Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 218 2 Photos	re: Red Fang hang with a band..? I know your talking about the difference between the jensen and Red Fang. I originally had a jensen in my Tweed Deluxe and replaced it with a Celestion Blue. The Blue could hang with a band. The Red Fang is louder than the Blue and cuts through better. My opinion is yes, it can hang with a decent drummer. __________________ slip-slidin away___

January 12th, 2005, 11:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
68tele Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northport LI Posts: 670	Sweet!

August 24th, 2007, 04:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
djinn1973 Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dixon, California Age: 35 Posts: 385	btt __________________ I wonder if there will be cake?

August 24th, 2007, 05:17 AM	#18 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lost Angeles and Orange County Posts: 7,128	Bright? Put one in an amp rated for 25+ watts and turn the volume up to 10...

August 24th, 2007, 10:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
FMA Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,174	I recently put one in my AC15. Previously had the Wharfdale ceramic in it. Huge difference. Great sounding speaker. Good bass. Nice chimey highs. Breaks up smoothly. Not as harsh as the ceramic. I can't say anything about how it would sound in a 5e3 amp, but in a 15-watt, EL84-powered amp, it sounds great.

August 24th, 2007, 12:12 PM	#20 (permalink)
krashjones TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 72	I have one in my 18W and I love it dearly. If it would fit in my Princeton Reverb without interfering with the OT then I would put it in there too. It's the standard alnico speaker I put in all of the amps I build. FWIW a Private Jack sounds almost identical when not cranked (like in my low-watt amps), and in a 2x12 a mix of a RF and a PJ, or a Wizard in and a Red Fang, is the real deal man! love those red Eminence speakers... __________________ -josh

August 24th, 2007, 01:50 PM	#21 (permalink)
11 Gauge Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The East Coast Posts: 3,085 10 Photos	I think it's too bad that the cat's out of the bag with the Red Fang - Eminence will no doubt raise the price at some point. The RedCoats are so good that it's unbelievable. I have a Governor and can't say enough good things about it. EL34/6V6/open back/closed back - it sounds good in all configurations. Someone really close to me that has more than a few Supers and Vibroluxes has both CopperHeads and Ragin Cajuns, and is happy with those - so Emi got it right with the Patriot series as well, it seems. Even if the Red Fang only did about 70% of what the Alnico Blue has claimed it's fame for, we're talking about a great speaker. __________________

August 24th, 2007, 02:05 PM	#22 (permalink)
Flashback Tele-Holic Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florence, South Carolina Posts: 751 2 Photos	Mine sounds awesome in my Mission 5E3. Not bright to me. It definitely increased the volume on my tweed and also balanced the tone and took the mud away.

August 24th, 2007, 03:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
FMA Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,174	Tele12, I use my AC15 as my main gig amp. I set it so it's just on the edge of breakup, a fairly clean tone, and use pedals to push it. In our setup, it's perfect. It's a pretty loud amp. But then, we try to keep stage volume under control and let the PA do the heavy lifting. On stage, I have no problems hearing my amp. But then again, our drummer understands playing dynamics. So I guess the answer is yes. The Red Fang seems to be more efficient than the stock speaker and the amp does seem louder. But it could be that it sounds just clearer, if that makes any sense, and therefore sounds louder... Does that make any sense?

August 24th, 2007, 04:57 PM	#26 (permalink)
tele12 Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NY Posts: 529	FMA, Yes it makes plenty of sense, the amp (traynor YCV20WR 15 watts )I am thinking of putting the Red Fang in now has a Greenback, doesn't cut through as well as a Pro Junior, also 15 watts.