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Scotland · December 13th, 2004, 01:56 PM

Saw one on ebay and by the spec (silverface) it seems exactly like a Twin. That can't be right, what's the differences ?

nasonm · December 13th, 2004, 02:03 PM

I'm no expert, but wasn't the showman designed by Leo Fender to help dick dale get the loud sounds he used onstage?

I know at lease Dick credits himself with testing the original dual showmans. Plus I think they used 2x15 cabs.

But then again, I may be wrong.

Silverface · December 13th, 2004, 02:08 PM

A Dual Showman Reverb is esentially a Twin Reverb in head form.

The Showman...or Dual Showman...*without* reverb is a 100-watt head using a typical Fender circuit. The "Dual" version only means it had a different speaker cabinet configuration.

stantheman · December 13th, 2004, 02:13 PM

The Showman - The Dual Showman - The Dual Showman Reverb.
The Dual Showman Reverb TFL-5000D is a Twin Reverb
in Head form. I've had two and was crazy to sell the '68.
One of the dumbest things I've ever done period.
I'd love to get a "1968 Dual Showman" the one with a DripGuard and NO Reverb - they're a scary head with a 4X12 Half Stack Set-Up.
I can't believe I sold the TFL5000-D's.....

detuned · December 13th, 2004, 02:43 PM

& it is a Twin, sans reverb, in head form. Mine also sounds phenominal. Oh yeah!

Right now I've pulled two of the output tubes & plugged it into a MArshall 2X12, very sweet. Someday I hope to track down a 1X15 cab for it.

There was also a Dual Showman reverb, & a red knob version too.

Tim Swartz · December 13th, 2004, 04:16 PM

Another angle; a Dual Showman is an 80w Bandmaster.

Mur · December 13th, 2004, 05:16 PM

Best is the blond, followed by BF. "Dual" means, 4ohm output transformer and 2x15 JBL cabinet. With a Dual Showman, you're loudest, you're king-of-the-hill.

Scotland · December 13th, 2004, 06:00 PM

This is what he has advertised as a Dual Showman Reverb

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sPageName=WDVW

trag-o-caster · December 13th, 2004, 06:16 PM

Apparently it was real popular to stuff Showman guts in a Twin or Pro Reverb cabinet. I keep seeing these everywhere. I've seen a couple around here locally. I've also seen a Bandmaster in the same cab, covered in butt-ugly green tolex.

I've seen a lot of Fender amp mutilations over the years. This one may be a good deal, if you can pick it up cheap. Someone needs to educate the seller because it seems like he's of the opinion that the amp is original.

December 13th, 2004, 07:37 PM

But man, that thing must be a <u>beast</u>. =:-O Also, I notice it says it's been outfitted with wheels, which is a Very Good Thing – if you could pick it up off the floor (questionable), I guarantee you couldn't carry it very far. ;-)

It'd make a pretty cool steel guitar amp, though. – CS

ye olde fretmonkey · December 13th, 2004, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stantheman

The Showman - The Dual Showman - The Dual Showman Reverb.
The Dual Showman Reverb TFL-5000D is a Twin Reverb
in Head form. I've had two and was crazy to sell the '68.
One of the dumbest things I've ever done period.
I'd love to get a "1968 Dual Showman" the one with a DripGuard and NO Reverb - they're a scary head with a 4X12 Half Stack Set-Up.
I can't believe I sold the TFL5000-D's.....

A drip guard?!

jjmantele · December 13th, 2004, 09:30 PM

Sounds like the reverb doesn't work. Or it has no reverb pan since he says "No footswitch so I don't know if the reverb/tremolo works." No switch needed for reverb.

Silverface · December 14th, 2004, 02:28 AM

Avoid.

If you want an amp like that, buy a *working* Twin Reverb. And only buy one of those if you want to play *really* loud and/or *really* clean all the time.

Scotland · December 14th, 2004, 03:46 AM

Thanks for the great info guys. I didn't intend buying it I was just unsure of what it was supposed to be as I'd never seen one before. I'll stick with my Twin.

sixty4fairlane · December 14th, 2004, 01:20 PM

There is a twin reverb chassis out there without a home. Maybe a twin reverb head now. Wouldn't that be nuts, a showman in a combo and a twin in a head. The things people will do. I'd look around for that twin chassis myself.

David Barnett · December 14th, 2004, 01:25 PM

The seller is an ignoramus. He has it listed as a '60s Silverface amp, when it clearly has a master volume control and is probably post-1973.

December 13th, 2004, 01:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 55 Posts: 7,428 3 Photos	What's a Dual Showman ? Saw one on ebay and by the spec (silverface) it seems exactly like a Twin. That can't be right, what's the differences ? __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

December 13th, 2004, 02:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
nasonm Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bangor, Maine Age: 32 Posts: 2,088 16 Photos	I'm no expert, but wasn't the showman designed by Leo Fender to help dick dale get the loud sounds he used onstage? I know at lease Dick credits himself with testing the original dual showmans. Plus I think they used 2x15 cabs. But then again, I may be wrong. __________________ "i have learned to just grit my teeth, change the subject, consider their deep total ignorance, fondle the thumb picks in my pocket and go on my way" - bender-freak It's been lonely in the saddle since my horse died

December 13th, 2004, 02:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Silverface Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hermosa Beach CA Age: 57 Posts: 1,979	A Dual Showman Reverb is esentially a Twin Reverb in head form. The Showman...or Dual Showman...without reverb is a 100-watt head using a typical Fender circuit. The "Dual" version only means it had a different speaker cabinet configuration. __________________ “No Chops – Great Tone” ©

December 13th, 2004, 02:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,945	There's a Family of 'em. The Showman - The Dual Showman - The Dual Showman Reverb. The Dual Showman Reverb TFL-5000D is a Twin Reverb in Head form. I've had two and was crazy to sell the '68. One of the dumbest things I've ever done period. I'd love to get a "1968 Dual Showman" the one with a DripGuard and NO Reverb - they're a scary head with a 4X12 Half Stack Set-Up. I can't believe I sold the TFL5000-D's..... __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

December 13th, 2004, 02:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
detuned Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Halloweentown, MA Posts: 512	I have a '65 Showman & it is a Twin, sans reverb, in head form. Mine also sounds phenominal. Oh yeah! Right now I've pulled two of the output tubes & plugged it into a MArshall 2X12, very sweet. Someday I hope to track down a 1X15 cab for it. There was also a Dual Showman reverb, & a red knob version too. __________________ Master of Disaster on the Stratocaster

December 13th, 2004, 04:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tim Swartz Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan - Tweenst the Great Lakes Posts: 2,016	Another angle; a Dual Showman is an 80w Bandmaster.

December 13th, 2004, 05:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mur Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA Posts: 916	85 watts . . . Best is the blond, followed by BF. "Dual" means, 4ohm output transformer and 2x15 JBL cabinet. With a Dual Showman, you're loudest, you're king-of-the-hill.

December 13th, 2004, 06:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 55 Posts: 7,428 3 Photos	Confused This is what he has advertised as a Dual Showman Reverb http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sPageName=WDVW __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

December 13th, 2004, 06:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
trag-o-caster R.I.P. Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Flushing, Michigan Age: 48 Posts: 5,142	Apparently it was real popular to stuff Showman guts in a Twin or Pro Reverb cabinet. I keep seeing these everywhere. I've seen a couple around here locally. I've also seen a Bandmaster in the same cab, covered in butt-ugly green tolex. I've seen a lot of Fender amp mutilations over the years. This one may be a good deal, if you can pick it up cheap. Someone needs to educate the seller because it seems like he's of the opinion that the amp is original. __________________ Timothy Jon Lamb

December 13th, 2004, 07:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, not an original Fender issue. But man, that thing must be a <u>beast</u>. =:-O Also, I notice it says it's been outfitted with wheels, which is a Very Good Thing – if you could pick it up off the floor (questionable), I guarantee you couldn't carry it very far. ;-) It'd make a pretty cool steel guitar amp, though. – CS

December 13th, 2004, 09:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
jjmantele Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 903	"No footswitch so I don't............." Sounds like the reverb doesn't work. Or it has no reverb pan since he says "No footswitch so I don't know if the reverb/tremolo works." No switch needed for reverb. __________________ JJman If it says "Vintage" on it -it isn't.

December 14th, 2004, 02:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
Silverface Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hermosa Beach CA Age: 57 Posts: 1,979	Avoid. If you want an amp like that, buy a working Twin Reverb. And only buy one of those if you want to play really loud and/or really clean all the time. __________________ “No Chops – Great Tone” ©

December 14th, 2004, 03:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
Scotland Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, Yewrup Age: 55 Posts: 7,428 3 Photos	Thanks guys Thanks for the great info guys. I didn't intend buying it I was just unsure of what it was supposed to be as I'd never seen one before. I'll stick with my Twin. __________________ All those who believe in psycho-kinesis, raise my hand !

December 14th, 2004, 01:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
sixty4fairlane Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 293	Looks like ... There is a twin reverb chassis out there without a home. Maybe a twin reverb head now. Wouldn't that be nuts, a showman in a combo and a twin in a head. The things people will do. I'd look around for that twin chassis myself.

December 14th, 2004, 01:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
David Barnett Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Far-Flung Isles of Langerhans Age: 53 Posts: 6,061	The seller is an ignoramus. He has it listed as a '60s Silverface amp, when it clearly has a master volume control and is probably post-1973.

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