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mlweidl · November 6th, 2009, 02:43 PM

I play at a church and mic everything then i just have it in a stage monitor to hear myself, would the new vox ac4 work????? or do i need something larger

jazztele · November 6th, 2009, 03:11 PM

are you saying your amp would serve as your "monitor?" if that's the case, then how loud is the stage volume? if you need to stay clean and the stage volumes loud AND the amp is working as your monitor, i'd say no...

but if you have an actual monitor with the whole mix, you'd be amazed with how small an amp you can get away with. I know a wedding band guitarist who regularly gigs with a 90's era solid state fender champion 110 and a multi-effects unit. That band has a top notch PA, everybody's miked and they have good monitors, and he never feels "lost."

mlweidl · November 6th, 2009, 03:18 PM

no i have a separate monitor and its pretty loud we like like a 6 piece band

BigDaddyLH · November 6th, 2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mlweidl

no i have a separate monitor and its pretty loud we like like a 6 piece band

In that case, the amp just has to be at least as large as the microphone.

jazztele · November 6th, 2009, 03:28 PM

if you have a decent cat behind the board, then i say no problem with the small amp then...

the one thing you might need to take into account--do you guys rehearse all mic'd up just like on "game day?"

Slow Reflexes · November 6th, 2009, 04:19 PM

I'd say as long as it's audible to you from a distance of two inches, you're good.

unbridled · November 6th, 2009, 04:27 PM

No smaller than this:

Joe-Bob · November 6th, 2009, 04:42 PM

Zappa used a Pignose to record almost the entire Apostrophe(') album.

neocaster · November 6th, 2009, 04:48 PM

If your mic can hear it, your sound guy should be able to make sure you can hear it, too. Mic sensitivity and background noise could be issues, but not likely in a church with a decent mic.

Jack Knife · November 6th, 2009, 09:11 PM

I've miced and recorded this with nice results

flatout9 · November 6th, 2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Knife

I've miced and recorded this with nice results

This is cool but the PINK doily really disturbs me with this set up.

AnthemBassMan · November 6th, 2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mlweidl

I play at a church and mic everything then i just have it in a stage monitor to hear myself, would the new vox ac4 work????? or do i need something larger

-Since you play at church, I'm sure you know who Rebbecca St. James is. Years ago, I helped set the stage for one of her gigs in 2000-2001. Her rhythm guitarist, sorry can't remember his name, was using a Hiwatt head through a couple Marshall cabs. Sitting on top of one of the cabs was a small combo amp. I took a closer look at it and it was an old Silvertone 1452, miced up and ready to go. I asked the guy why he was using that when he had the Hiwatt. He said that with that little amp and a Dano Dan-Echo pedal, he gets the tone he looks for when mixed with the Hiwatt.

L8R,
Matt

Meteor60 · November 7th, 2009, 03:19 AM

I used to do a regular gig with a pignose amp. The band had Bass, Drums and amplified harmonica.

mlweidl · November 8th, 2009, 11:23 PM

k great then im getting the new ac4 from vox

and whats the best mic i could get to mic it with and do i wanna get a stand or hang it?

Jack Knife · November 9th, 2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by flatout9

This is cool but the PINK doily really disturbs me with this set up.

Embrace the pink!

Durtdog · November 9th, 2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mlweidl

k great then im getting the new ac4 from vox

and whats the best mic i could get to mic it with and do i wanna get a stand or hang it?

"no i have a separate monitor and its pretty loud we like like a 6 piece band"
Hard to imagine the ac4 will be a good solution.

But, small amps are all the rage. I often read posts from people who try this sort of thing, 5-watt amp with a full band. They are surprised when their "loud" 5-watt amp gets swallowed up on stage, even with mics and monitors.

Try it, it may work for you. I've never been comfortable with amps that small on a full stage. Let the learning curve begin.

superhand · November 9th, 2009, 10:25 AM

I don't know if you bought yet or what, but the Vox AC4TV will not give you much clean headroom, if you want a clean tone. It breaks up pretty early, even on the 4w setting. It is surprisingly loud though.

neocaster · November 9th, 2009, 10:36 AM

Let us know how it works out. I mic for home recording with a Shure SM57. I get good results.

drdos · November 9th, 2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLH

In that case, the amp just has to be at least as large as the microphone.

hahahaha You stole my Thunder....

Ben Harmless · November 9th, 2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mlweidl

k great then im getting the new ac4 from vox

and whats the best mic i could get to mic it with and do i wanna get a stand or hang it?

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com...one?sku=276668

I use a stand for recording so that I can get that perfect spot after spending a long time finding it, but I just drape it over the amp live.

I personally use it's cousin:

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com...one?sku=270865

...But the difference may not really be worth it in a live setting with a 6-piece.

dantonel · November 9th, 2009, 01:42 PM

But you may want to modify it to take a Footswitch...

mlweidl · November 11th, 2009, 08:28 PM

k u guys changed my mind ac15 here i come haha

jitensha · November 11th, 2009, 08:59 PM

i love these things. sound like crap - well not crap just like a 2" speaker -- but unique in their own way.

November 6th, 2009, 02:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
mlweidl TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: santa barbara Age: 19 Posts: 29	Whats the smalledst amp i can mic I play at a church and mic everything then i just have it in a stage monitor to hear myself, would the new vox ac4 work????? or do i need something larger

November 6th, 2009, 03:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
jazztele Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chicago Age: 30 Posts: 4,101	are you saying your amp would serve as your "monitor?" if that's the case, then how loud is the stage volume? if you need to stay clean and the stage volumes loud AND the amp is working as your monitor, i'd say no... but if you have an actual monitor with the whole mix, you'd be amazed with how small an amp you can get away with. I know a wedding band guitarist who regularly gigs with a 90's era solid state fender champion 110 and a multi-effects unit. That band has a top notch PA, everybody's miked and they have good monitors, and he never feels "lost." __________________ "Jazz isn't a what, it's a how" -- Bill Evans

November 6th, 2009, 03:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
jazztele Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chicago Age: 30 Posts: 4,101	if you have a decent cat behind the board, then i say no problem with the small amp then... the one thing you might need to take into account--do you guys rehearse all mic'd up just like on "game day?" __________________ "Jazz isn't a what, it's a how" -- Bill Evans

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Slow Reflexes Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Willamette and Columbia Posts: 1,744	I'd say as long as it's audible to you from a distance of two inches, you're good. __________________ The visions that I see believe in me.

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unbridled Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dillon, Mt Age: 34 Posts: 524 8 Photos	No smaller than this: __________________ Just about everything I say has been stolen from someone else.

November 6th, 2009, 03:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
mlweidl TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: santa barbara Age: 19 Posts: 29	no i have a separate monitor and its pretty loud we like like a 6 piece band

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Joe-Bob Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 47 Posts: 5,526	Zappa used a Pignose to record almost the entire Apostrophe(') album. __________________ Why didn't the Psychic Network already know I was gonna call?

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neocaster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester County, PA Age: 36 Posts: 4,058 11 Photos	If your mic can hear it, your sound guy should be able to make sure you can hear it, too. Mic sensitivity and background noise could be issues, but not likely in a church with a decent mic.

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Jack Knife Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 575	I've miced and recorded this with nice results

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Meteor60 TDPRI Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 39 Posts: 43	I used to do a regular gig with a pignose amp. The band had Bass, Drums and amplified harmonica.

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mlweidl TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: santa barbara Age: 19 Posts: 29	k great then im getting the new ac4 from vox and whats the best mic i could get to mic it with and do i wanna get a stand or hang it?

November 9th, 2009, 10:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
superhand Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 239	I don't know if you bought yet or what, but the Vox AC4TV will not give you much clean headroom, if you want a clean tone. It breaks up pretty early, even on the 4w setting. It is surprisingly loud though.

November 9th, 2009, 10:36 AM	#18 (permalink)
neocaster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester County, PA Age: 36 Posts: 4,058 11 Photos	Let us know how it works out. I mic for home recording with a Shure SM57. I get good results.

November 11th, 2009, 08:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
mlweidl TDPRI Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: santa barbara Age: 19 Posts: 29	k u guys changed my mind ac15 here i come haha

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jitensha Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: tokyo/Montreal Posts: 110	i love these things. sound like crap - well not crap just like a 2" speaker -- but unique in their own way.

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