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steelpicker · October 30th, 2009, 12:16 PM

I hear good things about the new '57 Champ, but also the 600. I know the 57 is point to point hand wired and the 600 is pc board, but is that enough to pay 5-6 times as much for it? Is the tone in the 57 that much better than the little 600?

muchxs · October 30th, 2009, 02:42 PM

The '57 is a reasonable facsimile of the original. It's expensive, though.

The Champion isn't even close. There's all sorts of modern circuit board crap inside. Yeah you can mod it but why? There's guys selling these on the 'net, they figure anything you do to a $200 amp is value-added. It's pretty much a $200 amp no matter what so why put more money into one? Like the Valve Junior, they're a hard sell at a "value-added" price.

BigDaddyLH · October 30th, 2009, 02:53 PM

If you really liked the '57 you could do much better ($$$-wise) buying a kit or getting someone to lace up a clone for you. The '57 Champ is $1000 street! As I like to say, 1 knob, 3 tubes, 5 watts, 8" and $1000!

Groovey Records · October 30th, 2009, 03:00 PM

You Decide

muchxs · October 30th, 2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLH

If you really liked the '57 you could do must better ($$$-wise) buying a kit or getting someone to lace up a clone for you. The '57 Champ is $1000 street! As I like to say, 1 knob, 3 tubes, 5 watts, 8" and $1000!

I put one of mine up against an original over at Retro Music (de facto Home of the Juke

) yesterday. They've got an original one year only black tolex '64, pretty minty especially compared to a lot of the beat up tweeds. But... curses! Someone cheated! Their '64 had an 8" Eminence P.A. speaker in it with a 2" voice coil. That does quite a bit to help the bottom end.

Their original will go out the door for approx. what the '57 reissue sells for.

BTW you'll need to do some fancy Sawzall work or build a custom cabinet to fit a decent speaker to the 600.

Del Pickup · October 30th, 2009, 06:34 PM

It's hardly a fair comparison is it?

Inevitably there'll be some fairly major differences between the 2 amps given the way they're built, components, etc.

Might be easier to hear the differences if the same guitar or harmonica was being used through both amps.

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steelpicker TDPRI Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 66 Posts: 13	57 Champ vs Champion 600 I hear good things about the new '57 Champ, but also the 600. I know the 57 is point to point hand wired and the 600 is pc board, but is that enough to pay 5-6 times as much for it? Is the tone in the 57 that much better than the little 600?

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BigDaddyLH Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kelowna, BC, Canuckistan Age: 52 Posts: 13,760	If you really liked the '57 you could do much better ($$$-wise) buying a kit or getting someone to lace up a clone for you. The '57 Champ is $1000 street! As I like to say, 1 knob, 3 tubes, 5 watts, 8" and $1000! __________________ “The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.” -- Charles Bukowski

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October 30th, 2009, 02:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
muchxs Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New England Posts: 5,974	The '57 is a reasonable facsimile of the original. It's expensive, though. The Champion isn't even close. There's all sorts of modern circuit board crap inside. Yeah you can mod it but why? There's guys selling these on the 'net, they figure anything you do to a $200 amp is value-added. It's pretty much a $200 amp no matter what so why put more money into one? Like the Valve Junior, they're a hard sell at a "value-added" price.

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