marshall haze 40 combo

[bargoedboy]

my amp has gone back to marshall after coughing and spluttering with sparks
rang marshall and asked them have you had any problems and i got a very cagey reply. so as its under warranty they said for shop to check valves etc then got a call from shop today saying marshall have asked for all haze combos to go back for a modification due to a fault . any one else heard anything?

[Jakedog]

This SUCKS. Beyond all suckage. I just ordered one, just got the call that it's in, and I am supposed to go pick it up in the morning.

With all of the bad amp ju-ju I've had lately, I really did not need to hear this.

[bargoedboy]

sorry to be bearer of bad news , it may be a simple mod , amp sounded great while it worked especially with my tele if that helps !

[Jakedog]

I just talked to my dealer, and two different people at Korg (Korg USA is the US Marshall distributor, I spoke with a customer service honcho, and a Marshall honcho) and nobody knows anything about this.

Marshall dude said he would look into it, but he hadn't heard word one about any problems, and cites the Haze as on track to be oneof the best selling Marshalls ever in the US market.

Maybe much ado about nothing? I certainly hope so, as I really need this amp to work.

And yeah, I spent nearly an hour in a store trying one of these out, and it sounded really nice, so I'm loooking forward to cranking it at my gigs this weekend.

[Jakedog]

PS- are you overseas? I'm wondering if this could be a problem that won't show up in the US imports, with our different current requirements here, the amps use a different power supply don't they? Maybe some other differences too... Who knows...

[bargoedboy]

i`m in uk , so i would have thought marshall would have got it right here first.
like i say i got the call from my dealer saying marshall were calling them back for a mod, was hoping someone could tell me more.

[Jakedog]

I guess we'll both have to wait and see how it plays out. I'm leery, but going ahead with my purchase based on what the Korg reps have told me.

I guess one to keep in mind, is that these are built in India, not the UK, and since this is the first time that's gone on, I guess anything could happen.

No slight intended toward the Indian workforce, but India really isn't known for being a producer of top quality guitar amplifiers... Might take 'em awhile to get all of the bugs worked out.

Do you know if they are taking yours in for modding at the UK factory? Or does it have to go back to India?

[jjkrause84]

Originally Posted by Jakedog

I guess one to keep in mind, is that these are built in India, not the UK

India is part of the UK....

[Jakedog]

Originally Posted by jjkrause84

India is part of the UK....

Shows how much I know. I knew India was a colony or some such at one point, part of the empire so to speak, but I didn't think that was the case anymore. Oops.

[BigDaddyLH]

That would explain the excellent chicken tikka masala I had in London.

[HC]

Originally Posted by Jakedog

Shows how much I know. I knew India was a colony or some such at one point, part of the empire so to speak, but I didn't think that was the case anymore. Oops.

India became an independent republic on 26 january 1950.
The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

[Jakedog]

Originally Posted by HC

India became an independent republic on 26 january 1950.
The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

So... I was RIGHT about something! Wait'll I tell my wife, she'll never believe it!

[BigDaddyLH]

And now I'm hungry for a curry!

[HC]

Originally Posted by Jakedog

So... I was RIGHT about something! Wait'll I tell my wife, she'll never believe it!

Feels good don't it?

[jjkrause84]

[still waiting for some Brit to get my joke and jump in with some absurd "the sun never sets" jingoism!]

[celeste]

Originally Posted by bargoedboy

i`m in uk , so i would have thought marshall would have got it right here first.
like i say i got the call from my dealer saying marshall were calling them back for a mod, was hoping someone could tell me more.

Yoiu might try posting your question over at AX84, the Hase designer post there. My bet is if anyone knows, he does.

[Jakedog]

Just got my new Haze home and plugged it in. First impression- Sounds freakin' amazing. I mean rock solid out of this world. Reverb is a little weak, but it is digi, so that's to be expected.

Anyhow, I plugged in my custom chambered mahgany tele, with an SD Hot Stack in the bridge, and this little amp was to die for. Maybe the best sounding amp I've veer plugged into for alt. country, rootsy, bluesy, stonesy, faces kind of meets bakersfield kind of playing.

Then it blew up. Yep. Less than ten minutes into my happy new amp jam session, it made a loud buzzy-hummy-electricity noise from hell, then it shut completely down, and there's kind of a funny smell.

Looks like there's something to the rumor of these having problems after all.

[BigDaddyLH]

Originally Posted by Jakedog

Then it blew up. Yep. Less than ten minutes into my happy new amp jam session, it made a loud buzzy-hummy-electricity noise from hell, then it shut completely down, and there's kind of a funny smell.

That's a total bummer. At least other TDPRI members are now forewarned.

[castpolymer]

Originally Posted by Jakedog

Just got my new Haze home and plugged it in. First impression- Sounds freakin' amazing. I mean rock solid out of this world. Reverb is a little weak, but it is digi, so that's to be expected.

Anyhow, I plugged in my custom chambered mahgany tele, with an SD Hot Stack in the bridge, and this little amp was to die for. Maybe the best sounding amp I've veer plugged into for alt. country, rootsy, bluesy, stonesy, faces kind of meets bakersfield kind of playing.

Then it blew up. Yep. Less than ten minutes into my happy new amp jam session, it made a loud buzzy-hummy-electricity noise from hell, then it shut completely down, and there's kind of a funny smell.

Looks like there's something to the rumor of these having problems after all.

That sucks! I would be hating Marshall with the heat of a thousand suns right now.

[BigDaddyLH]

Not to rag on it being a "made in India" amp, but I feel another thread topic coming on: the most unusual country that produces guitars or amps.

I was walking through an airport once and saw a promotional display in the duty free for a single malt whiskey from ... India! Maybe you need to pour some on your amp.

[bargoedboy]

same symptoms as mine maybe its a bad batch . let me know how you get on ok. taff.

[jjkrause84]

Brand new amp releases tend to suffer from this sorta stuff...sorry you guys got caught in the wake.

Hope things improve (not just for you but for Marshall as well). Let's hope Marshall's Indian experience is productive...

[the_best_of_fools]

Hmmm!? That sucks. I'm sorry to hear this guys. I was looking forward to buying one of these (Haze 40). I'd be curious to know if this is a design problem or an assembly quality problem...

Keep us updated on this please.

tbof

[FMA]

I too would like to see how this plays out a the Haze 40 was on my list of amps to check out.

[Jakedog]

Well, I returned mine. After what happened, and reading of an identical experience here, and having it coupled with scuttlebutt about a recall, I just let 'em have it back and took back my money.

This is a truly, truly, fabulous sounding amp. Not vintage Marshall, but it's own thing entirely IMO, and very very cool.

If they can get the issues worked out, and get me convinced that these are reliable, I will buy another. I really want that sound. It was off the charts good. But for now, I'm gonna pass.

[trailboss]

My brother had a Guyatone tube combo about twenty years back that was a similar deal. Built overseas and designed to run at 90v instead of 110, IIRC. With the extra 20 volts hitting it, it sounded other-worldly...for 5 minutes at a time. Then it would pop a fuse, or overheat, or just shut down. FWIW, he bought it from a former Army guy that had bought it somewhere in the far-east.

[Wailin' Tele]

I had the Haze 40 for 'bout a week back in early july. Yeah it was a great amp esp. for the money. I returned it for a DR. Z but have been looking into getting the Haze head version. Has anyone compared the head to the combo? The head has 6v6's, i was wondering if it had a different sound because of that.

[FMA]

The Haze 15 head, from demos I've heard, doesn't have much clean headroom. I haven't played one, but that's from the Internet demos I've heard.

This reminds of the old Marshall JTM-30s, if anyone recalls those amps. Little combos. A good idea. But in practice, the tubes would overheat and cause all sorts of problems. Weren't very reliable. Saw one locally a while back. Nice sounding amp. Pretty cheap. But the reliability issues were too much. The guy selling it even said he had problems with it.

[drdos]

Originally Posted by jjkrause84

[still waiting for some Brit to get my joke and jump in with some absurd "the sun never sets" jingoism!]

Yeah that all ended when the colonials kick your Arse

[jjkrause84]

Originally Posted by drdos

Yeah that all ended when the colonials kick your Arse

If you're referring to Ghandi then, yeah, you're right. Perhaps you're referncing the French getting their revenge for the Seven Years War by helping some small upstart po-dunk nation defeat a less-than-caring Britain?

Also, for the last time....I'M NOT BRITISH!

[bargoedboy]

do you guys still think you won the war of independance ?
god we threw that one, if we`d wanted to win o you think we would have still worn those red coats ? no we would have been cutting up animal skins etc . we threw it because we had discovered australia !!!!!!

[Jakedog]

Originally Posted by bargoedboy

do you guys still think you won the war of independance ?
god we threw that one, if we`d wanted to win o you think we would have still worn those red coats ? no we would have been cutting up animal skins etc . we threw it because we had discovered australia !!!!!!

Leave it to the brits to think that a land with every hostile man-eating bug, animal, fish and plant on the planet was more attractive than "purple mountains majesty". As far as the red coats, well, you folks have always been known to follow fashion much more closely than funcionality, so I don't buy your argument...

(Disclaimer- I love my buds from the UK, and one of my life ambitions is to spend a year down under, I just had to give this dope the business for being so silly!)

[Nash]

I played through a Haze 40 at Sam Ash very briefly(there were some idiots that cranked a Marshall JCM into a 4x12 and played some loud, sloppy metal so no one could hear themselves). What I heard from the Haze was good, not my thing really, but it was a great sounding amp. I prefer a more classic JTM45 type crunch and the Haze had a more modern Marshall tone to it. I liked it a lot and it does its job well, just not for me.

[jjkrause84]

Originally Posted by Jakedog

Leave it to the brits to think that a land with every hostile man-eating bug, animal, fish and plant on the planet was more attractive than "purple mountains majesty". As far as the red coats, well, you folks have always been known to follow fashion much more closely than funcionality, so I don't buy your argument...

(Disclaimer- I love my buds from the UK, and one of my life ambitions is to spend a year down under, I just had to give this dope the business for being so silly!)

Sorry Jake you stepped right in it....history time!

The brightly coloured uniforms which graced European-styled armies throughout the early gunpowder period of warfare (i.e. before and even to an extent after the advent of widespread rifling) was perfectly intentional and rational. Firstly it made observation and intelligence much easier as the field commander (situated on a convenient hill) could survey the field and, at a glance, tell where his men were and what they were doing. There is a big myth on the American sharp-shooter armed with Kentucky rifles in the War of Independence. Yes they existed, yes they killed British soldiers/officers....NO they did not win the war. NO, Americans did not invent the modern idea of fire and manoeuvre. That idea was actually taken by modern armies from French North African colonials called "Zouaves". Not merely content with taking their infantry tactics Western armies also took their sense of style with units right through the First World war being dressed like this:



In fact, there were a number of (largely self-proclaimed) Zouave troops in the American Civil War and, if I can remember correctly, you can even see some in the movie Gettysburg. What's more, after the great Prussian victories of 1864 - 1871 many American regiments actually adopted the pickelhaube helmet hoping that having the gear of their heros will make them better players :



Having smart uniforms added to an overall sense of morale and unity. This is a time of "forbearance"...the fact that you would have to stand in a long line or deep column and look at a guy 50m away who is trying to shoot you. It took a lot of conditioning to get men to deal with that sort of a combat environment. Ultimately, whichever side held its ground would win the day while the side that broke would be set upon by cavalry and slaughtered in "destructive pursuit" (a particular strongpoint of Napoleon's). You may ask, "Well why stand in big liens at all!?". Fair question, and the answer is in two parts.

Firstly, it is important to remember that throughout the 17th and 18th centuries military service was NOTHING like it is today and impressment was a major source of manpower. The Prussians were especially good at impressing foreigners specifically. One favourite tactic was to publish ads in Baden, Bavaria, Saxony, etc. offering a whole range of new clerical/office work. When young civil-servants-to-be would show up in Berlin guess what!? No job! Just a uniform and a gun and an order to get in line or get shot. Impressment was also (you might recall) one of the pretexts for the War of 1812 with American politicians using the impressment of American sailors on British vessels of war as a casus belli. Owing to the scarcity of trained sailors (of any description) navies had to rely VERY heavily on impressment (including the "Shanghai" trick of getting someone piss-drunk then kidnapping them) just to fill their ships of war. The natural reaction to impressment, of course, was a very high desertion rate such that troops that were not in sight might well be long gone, thus contributing not only to dreadfully harsh punishments for even minor infractions but also to the sheer density of troops.

Secondly, the muskets, as you undoubtedly know, were horribly inaccurate. A shoot-out in the more modern sense might take ages and would soon fall into a disorderly melee in which both victor and defeated would suffer horrible casualties...indeed most every victory would be of the Pyrrhic variety. In the culture of forbearance it was perfectly feasible for the victor to suffer relatively light casualties if he could make the enemy break and run sooner rather than later. Yet another strength of Napoleon was concentrating his strength (especially in artillery) on what the Prussians would call the schwerpunkt...the "decisive point". Once breaking the enemy there the entire force would collapse, retreat and get slaughtered by French cavalry.


Sorry for the long rant....I got a little into it!

[bargoedboy]

well that told you didn`t it
anyway the americans love the welsh so i`m ok !
look at the washington monument where it says


'Fy Iaith, Fy Ngwlad, Fy Nghenedl Cymru - Cymru am Byth!'
'My Language, My Land, My Nation of Wales - Wales for Ever!'

[TG]

Gunpowder a few centuries ago made an awful lot of smoke too so it could be very difficult in a battle telling friend from foe unless there was an obvious difference between them. The bright colours were useful for letting soldiers know who not to shoot at as well as for helping commanders to get some idea what was going on.

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLH

Not to rag on it being a "made in India" amp, but I feel another thread topic coming on: the most unusual country that produces guitars or amps.

I was walking through an airport once and saw a promotional display in the duty free for a single malt whiskey from ... India! Maybe you need to pour some on your amp.

Actually, I've heard that Japan is the country to beat for single-malts these days!

[Mountaintwanger]

Wow this has been an interesting thread!... I learned not to buy a Marshall haze and I got a cool history lesson..... :)

[the_best_of_fools]

It looks like more and more people are having problems with their Haze 40 combos:

http://marshallampforum.com/forum/vi...16324&start=90

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/vi...hp?f=1&t=86995

It's too bad. I'll have to wait before buying one. Not taking any risk with this new product.

tbof

[Walker]

Originally Posted by jjkrause84

Sorry Jake you stepped right in it....history time!

The brightly coloured uniforms which graced European-styled armies throughout the early gunpowder period of warfare (i.e. before and even to an extent after the advent of widespread rifling) was perfectly intentional and rational. Firstly it made observation and intelligence much easier as the field commander (situated on a convenient hill) could survey the field and, at a glance, tell where his men were and what they were doing. There is a big myth on the American sharp-shooter armed with Kentucky rifles in the War of Independence. Yes they existed, yes they killed British soldiers/officers....NO they did not win the war. NO, Americans did not invent the modern idea of fire and manoeuvre. That idea was actually taken by modern armies from French North African colonials called "Zouaves". Not merely content with taking their infantry tactics Western armies also took their sense of style with units right through the First World war being dressed like this:



In fact, there were a number of (largely self-proclaimed) Zouave troops in the American Civil War and, if I can remember correctly, you can even see some in the movie Gettysburg. What's more, after the great Prussian victories of 1864 - 1871 many American regiments actually adopted the pickelhaube helmet hoping that having the gear of their heros will make them better players :



Having smart uniforms added to an overall sense of morale and unity. This is a time of "forbearance"...the fact that you would have to stand in a long line or deep column and look at a guy 50m away who is trying to shoot you. It took a lot of conditioning to get men to deal with that sort of a combat environment. Ultimately, whichever side held its ground would win the day while the side that broke would be set upon by cavalry and slaughtered in "destructive pursuit" (a particular strongpoint of Napoleon's). You may ask, "Well why stand in big liens at all!?". Fair question, and the answer is in two parts.

Firstly, it is important to remember that throughout the 17th and 18th centuries military service was NOTHING like it is today and impressment was a major source of manpower. The Prussians were especially good at impressing foreigners specifically. One favourite tactic was to publish ads in Baden, Bavaria, Saxony, etc. offering a whole range of new clerical/office work. When young civil-servants-to-be would show up in Berlin guess what!? No job! Just a uniform and a gun and an order to get in line or get shot. Impressment was also (you might recall) one of the pretexts for the War of 1812 with American politicians using the impressment of American sailors on British vessels of war as a casus belli. Owing to the scarcity of trained sailors (of any description) navies had to rely VERY heavily on impressment (including the "Shanghai" trick of getting someone piss-drunk then kidnapping them) just to fill their ships of war. The natural reaction to impressment, of course, was a very high desertion rate such that troops that were not in sight might well be long gone, thus contributing not only to dreadfully harsh punishments for even minor infractions but also to the sheer density of troops.

Secondly, the muskets, as you undoubtedly know, were horribly inaccurate. A shoot-out in the more modern sense might take ages and would soon fall into a disorderly melee in which both victor and defeated would suffer horrible casualties...indeed most every victory would be of the Pyrrhic variety. In the culture of forbearance it was perfectly feasible for the victor to suffer relatively light casualties if he could make the enemy break and run sooner rather than later. Yet another strength of Napoleon was concentrating his strength (especially in artillery) on what the Prussians would call the schwerpunkt...the "decisive point". Once breaking the enemy there the entire force would collapse, retreat and get slaughtered by French cavalry.


Sorry for the long rant....I got a little into it!

So the new Haze amp doesn't work well? :-)