Will Fender ever reissue the 50's Tweed Deluxe?

RollingThunder75 · April 23rd, 2004, 08:16 AM

Are there any plans to do this? It seems to me a lot of money could be made here because I think it's a highly desired sound.

Since this probably isn't going to happen in the near future, can anyone recommend a modern amp that gets a similar tone? I think Neil Young plays through one of these, and he's my favourite guitarist. Thanks for any help or suggestions!

zook · April 23rd, 2004, 10:20 AM

There are plenty of Tweed deluxe kits available and lots of folks who are building tweed deluxes. If that's what you want you certainly could get a nice one.

Winnie

stantheman · April 23rd, 2004, 12:23 PM

buy a Victoria and if Ya got the scratch buy a Double D.

Tremo · April 23rd, 2004, 05:33 PM

You might be able to ask Fliegler over on FDP.

Regardless, it would probably be a cheapo PCB contraption. Cheap speaker, cheap tubes, etc..... typical of what you expect from current production gear from a big mass marketer. If it were a PTP custom shop amp, it would be priced through the roof. Do you really want that? A tweed Deluxe would compete with their Pro Jr and Blues Jr models.

You can get PTP tweed Deluxe clones (and Double Deluxe) from the boutique guys, which would blow away anything from FMIC other than a true CS amp. You can even get tweed Deluxe kits from Mojo, build one yourself!

Tim Swartz · April 23rd, 2004, 06:05 PM

A reliable little bird has told me of a colaboration that will result in the production of some mighty fine, high quality Fender tweed amps and I would guess that the Deluxe is among them.

stantheman · April 24th, 2004, 09:57 PM

There is NOTHING that beats a Double Deluxe...Nothin'...
Play through one 8) .
The Custom Shop has produced nothing that compares
and besides they "wave solder" from what I've read here in the Amp Forum.
Once more with feeling:
The Victoria Double Deluxe is the BEST Amp in 45 years.

cowboytwang · April 26th, 2004, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tremo

Regardless, it would probably be a cheapo PCB contraption. Cheap speaker, cheap tubes, etc..... typical of what you expect from current production gear from a big mass marketer.

With the exception of the PCB , it sounds like you just described the original Fender tweed amps.
They used the cheapest wood they could get away with using, the cheapest speaker, cheapest tubes, and the cheapest covering fabric they could find.

stantheman · April 26th, 2004, 04:12 PM

Well I'll tell Ya...."bottom of the barrel 1950's" .....if that's
TRUE then shouldn't they be saving all that money instead of spending it on their "Technological Breakthroughs"????
AND....if Fender Amps BUILT in the 1950's suck so bad
why are they so expensive???
AND...why can't they give away at less than 1/2 of "original retail" the "supposedly equally crappy" Reissues ????
Fender Amps from the 1950's are some of the GREATEST Amps that were and will ever be built.....
and they were all wired by Housewives not mad scientists
on a quest for "grail tone".
I consider my own '59 Reissue to have an "ha" after the
"r" ...'cause that AIN'T American what they done to that Amp. It's a "goshdarn" crime they gave the storied name of Bassman away with such a "cavalier attitude".
I guess that's "corporate white collar philosophy"...

Tim Swartz · April 26th, 2004, 05:46 PM

As I mentioned previously, expect a line of tweeds made the old fashioned way. I think if you inflate the price of one from the '50s you'll find them to be priced very fairly (but this is just a guess, I've not a clue what they will go for).

stevedenver · April 27th, 2004, 06:08 PM

well lets see here...this isnt a knock on Victoria..rather ill share my first lesson in letting go of my notions that anything of quality must have a name brand logo (something that i really held onto for a long long time) and that kits were always radio shack type stuff...no knocks on anyone...

to expect a PTP deluxe at a 'fair price' from a large maker isnt sensible-they cant make money on it -too much time involved-when i see PTP stuff form say marshall reissues....well they must be made of gold...

i have no experience with a Vic double d-sounds like a great amp

but i do with Vic deluxe's-nice amps indeed, but $$$$, so pricey that the kit looked really affordable (even tho they are not cheap like a pro jr or blues jr-a bit more than twice the price of a new blues jr)

and after hearing a Mission 5E3 kit side by side -the mission blew away the vic -why-probably because it was using a a weber blue dog instead of the jenson-

i was so impressed and instantly smitten that i did someting i had no intention of ever doing-I built a kit amp-the whole deal took me about two days(16 hours ) this included building the entire chassis and 'finishing' the cab

it looks better than a vic because i did the poly shade aging

it sounds better because of bruces little mods and the components IMHO, including NOS tubes and rectifier

and it was less than half the price of a new vic, and still significantly less than a used one-(including the tools, a book on amps, which you dont need-just a soldering iron and meter and finishing stuff....)-and it was easy -paint by numbers almost)

and when i was through..i was very proud ...it sounds great ...easy to move...quality stuff....dead silent ....i no longer even think about putting on a vintage fender logo....
and it is a particualry good match to a tele-but with an LP its also fantastic

bagpipe · April 27th, 2004, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevedenver

it sounds better because of bruces little mods and the components IMHO, including NOS tubes and rectifier

Any chance of sound clips, Steve? I'd love to hear it.

stantheman · April 27th, 2004, 08:42 PM

If Mission did a "Double Deluxe" I'd be foolish not to have an interest....but I've never fallen so head over heels in LUST with anything since I was a Teenager. This is an
Amp that's on my mind once every 11 seconds 24/7 8) .

stevedenver · April 27th, 2004, 08:44 PM

bag pipe-i dont have the ability to make or post soundclips-but to give you a pretty good idea listen to the new Neil Young cd

-sorry wish i could oblige
cheers steve

stevedenver · April 27th, 2004, 08:48 PM

stan-is the double delux liek a low powered super-that is 2x12 in a tweed cab with a 5E3?

i agree that would be the stuff-in fact the larger cab would be great-i ran my 5E3 with a weber equippd extension cab and the sound got huge-but a larger cab would be even nicer im sure

bruce does a low powered super too-new kit and hes contemplating a JTM 45

-heard a prototype JTM sunday-much more of a rock sound than blues IMHO

-now thats a much larger and more sophisticated project-real amp with lots of components and apparently very sensitive to being properly 'dressed' (lenghts of lead wires etc) but man it sounded great too

Mik · April 27th, 2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevedenver

stan-is the double delux liek a low powered super-that is 2x12 in a tweed cab with a 5E3?

That question crossed my mind too, but I think the DD diference is the quad of 6V6's.

Mik

Tim Swartz · April 27th, 2004, 10:05 PM

Can I get frys and a shake with my double deluxe?

RWB · April 27th, 2004, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Swartz

As I mentioned previously, expect a line of tweeds made the old fashioned way. I think if you inflate the price of one from the '50s you'll find them to be priced very fairly (but this is just a guess, I've not a clue what they will go for).

Tim, you've dropped a couple of teasing hints about this. Any more info that you can share?

Tim Swartz · April 28th, 2004, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Swartz

As I mentioned previously, expect a line of tweeds made the old fashioned way. I think if you inflate the price of one from the '50s you'll find them to be priced very fairly (but this is just a guess, I've not a clue what they will go for).

Tim, you've dropped a couple of teasing hints about this. Any more info that you can share?

No, I really can't. It is very exciting too that Marshall is offering 3 amps made the old fashion way (18w combo, 20w head and '67 100w).

stevedenver · April 28th, 2004, 11:16 AM

i understand the PTP marshall reissue of the head is in the vicinty of $3200+

i love the idea of having these amps available, and i understand too that many dont have the time or desire or ability to build thier own amp (nor do i think i would undertake a complex build either for the above reasons)

-like hot rodding a guitar or car, there are so many factors which can subtley improve an amp that these high priced amps from major manufacturers begin to make less sense to me (why becuase i presume they are trading on thier name-rightly so-but not delivering a truly superior product)

...at this price level there are incrdeible amps out there like two rock, divided by 13, aiken, bocino which really may be a better value (but not the rock history icon) since they have in many cases taken original circuits and improved upon them....

i would be hard pressed to pay a premium price for a fender CS amp after seeing some of thier amps-one that come to mind was the two tone combo with a 10 and 12 " using the blues jr chassis, priced at what i beleived was an obscene price-my point -while many pay for dressed up things for the sake of style, many others presume that there is substance to the higher prices from major mfgrs... i dont presume to know the business end..just the consumer end from my little world...i do realize that any marshall or fender will have mass resale value over and above other names....but since i never sell anything

stantheman · April 29th, 2004, 02:47 AM

Nah, I wouldn't call the Double Deluxe a low power by
any means. I think I've played everything that's out there currently or that's highly collectable under 10K
and very proudly I'd take a Double Deluxe over them all.
Really the only well-known I haven't played through is the Trainwreck but I do know know someone less than
2 hours from me that has one. I've played through
plenty of AC-30's even the older non TB's and they sound great but they do run HOT.
The Double Deluxe is going to be The Standard for a Great Amplifier, that's it's destiny, when you hear it and
of course when you play through it you will be high on
life. It's only when you walk away from it that reality
falls back on your shoulders. No pedals needed, unless
you're a delay person, we all like a little delay every now
and then, but that's about it.
I could not find a bad tone. It's made my friend Al B. a
"recluse". He doesn't even cuss about his ex-wife anymore. His #1 is a Korean Squire Strat, he's got a real
nice L.P.Special thats TV Yellow from the early 90's too,
but it stays in the case. Squire Guy...Chuck Profit...
machoism.

JoeyV · May 4th, 2004, 01:41 AM

I will be performing in your neck of the woods on June 18 and 19th on the Mt. Washington cruise ship for Biker Week up in Laconia and I would love to hook up with you for a beer and to take that Double Deluxe amp for a test ride on the gig...you can sit in too..its with my old band Boston Baked Blues and by the name you can guess what kind of gig it is..... This is a grueling gig that we usually do 24 sets in 2 days!! Hey we are also looking for PA rental and soundguy that is from N.H....do you know anybody looking for a couple days work ? Really easy soundman gig..just set it up..set the levels for four mics and then go party , look at the bikes and the women ....let me know bro...
Joey

stantheman · May 4th, 2004, 10:02 AM

Joey, It's not my Amp (I'll be getting my own sometime
between Labor Day and Halloween). It's all I think about
24/7, not even an LT-1 for The Jeep is gonna shift my
lust for this amp.

Jammin'John · May 4th, 2004, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stantheman

There is NOTHING that beats a Double Deluxe...Nothin'...
Play through one 8) .
The Custom Shop has produced nothing that compares
and besides they "wave solder" from what I've read here in the Amp Forum.
Once more with feeling:
The Victoria Double Deluxe is the BEST Amp in 45 years.

I agree...............I love mine.......it is the s#%t...... JJ 8)

andrew · May 4th, 2004, 03:59 PM

well surly SOMEONE can get a sound clip for this Double Deluxe. I'm starting the process of buying an amp, and now yall have me curious about this DD. :?

April 23rd, 2004, 08:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
RollingThunder75 Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: WV Posts: 409	Will Fender ever reissue the 50's Tweed Deluxe? Are there any plans to do this? It seems to me a lot of money could be made here because I think it's a highly desired sound. Since this probably isn't going to happen in the near future, can anyone recommend a modern amp that gets a similar tone? I think Neil Young plays through one of these, and he's my favourite guitarist. Thanks for any help or suggestions!

April 23rd, 2004, 10:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
zook Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northeast Kingdom, Vermont Posts: 833	There are plenty of Tweed deluxe kits available and lots of folks who are building tweed deluxes. If that's what you want you certainly could get a nice one. Winnie __________________ I have noticed that happy people are often evaluating themselves and unhappy people are always evaluating others. -William Glasser

April 23rd, 2004, 12:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	Rolling Thunder, buy a Victoria and if Ya got the scratch buy a Double D. __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

April 24th, 2004, 09:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	Wait A Minute.... There is NOTHING that beats a Double Deluxe...Nothin'... Play through one 8) . The Custom Shop has produced nothing that compares and besides they "wave solder" from what I've read here in the Amp Forum. Once more with feeling: The Victoria Double Deluxe is the BEST Amp in 45 years. __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

April 26th, 2004, 04:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	hmmmmmmmm... Well I'll tell Ya...."bottom of the barrel 1950's" .....if that's TRUE then shouldn't they be saving all that money instead of spending it on their "Technological Breakthroughs"???? AND....if Fender Amps BUILT in the 1950's suck so bad why are they so expensive??? AND...why can't they give away at less than 1/2 of "original retail" the "supposedly equally crappy" Reissues ???? Fender Amps from the 1950's are some of the GREATEST Amps that were and will ever be built..... and they were all wired by Housewives not mad scientists on a quest for "grail tone". I consider my own '59 Reissue to have an "ha" after the "r" ...'cause that AIN'T American what they done to that Amp. It's a "goshdarn" crime they gave the storied name of Bassman away with such a "cavalier attitude". I guess that's "corporate white collar philosophy"... __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

April 23rd, 2004, 05:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tremo Banned Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, CA, USA Posts: 3,803	You might be able to ask Fliegler over on FDP. Regardless, it would probably be a cheapo PCB contraption. Cheap speaker, cheap tubes, etc..... typical of what you expect from current production gear from a big mass marketer. If it were a PTP custom shop amp, it would be priced through the roof. Do you really want that? A tweed Deluxe would compete with their Pro Jr and Blues Jr models. You can get PTP tweed Deluxe clones (and Double Deluxe) from the boutique guys, which would blow away anything from FMIC other than a true CS amp. You can even get tweed Deluxe kits from Mojo, build one yourself!

April 23rd, 2004, 06:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tim Swartz Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan - Tweenst the Great Lakes Posts: 1,904	A reliable little bird has told me of a colaboration that will result in the production of some mighty fine, high quality Fender tweed amps and I would guess that the Deluxe is among them.

April 26th, 2004, 05:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tim Swartz Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan - Tweenst the Great Lakes Posts: 1,904	As I mentioned previously, expect a line of tweeds made the old fashioned way. I think if you inflate the price of one from the '50s you'll find them to be priced very fairly (but this is just a guess, I've not a clue what they will go for).

April 27th, 2004, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
stevedenver Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the mile high city Posts: 1,206 14 Photos	well lets see here...this isnt a knock on Victoria..rather ill share my first lesson in letting go of my notions that anything of quality must have a name brand logo (something that i really held onto for a long long time) and that kits were always radio shack type stuff...no knocks on anyone... to expect a PTP deluxe at a 'fair price' from a large maker isnt sensible-they cant make money on it -too much time involved-when i see PTP stuff form say marshall reissues....well they must be made of gold... i have no experience with a Vic double d-sounds like a great amp but i do with Vic deluxe's-nice amps indeed, but $$$$, so pricey that the kit looked really affordable (even tho they are not cheap like a pro jr or blues jr-a bit more than twice the price of a new blues jr) and after hearing a Mission 5E3 kit side by side -the mission blew away the vic -why-probably because it was using a a weber blue dog instead of the jenson- i was so impressed and instantly smitten that i did someting i had no intention of ever doing-I built a kit amp-the whole deal took me about two days(16 hours ) this included building the entire chassis and 'finishing' the cab it looks better than a vic because i did the poly shade aging it sounds better because of bruces little mods and the components IMHO, including NOS tubes and rectifier and it was less than half the price of a new vic, and still significantly less than a used one-(including the tools, a book on amps, which you dont need-just a soldering iron and meter and finishing stuff....)-and it was easy -paint by numbers almost) and when i was through..i was very proud ...it sounds great ...easy to move...quality stuff....dead silent ....i no longer even think about putting on a vintage fender logo.... and it is a particualry good match to a tele-but with an LP its also fantastic __________________ Im really a Les Paul guy at heart, but .....

April 27th, 2004, 08:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	If Mission did a "Double Deluxe" I'd be foolish not to have an interest....but I've never fallen so head over heels in LUST with anything since I was a Teenager. This is an Amp that's on my mind once every 11 seconds 24/7 8) . __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

April 27th, 2004, 08:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
stevedenver Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the mile high city Posts: 1,206 14 Photos	bag pipe-i dont have the ability to make or post soundclips-but to give you a pretty good idea listen to the new Neil Young cd -sorry wish i could oblige cheers steve __________________ Im really a Les Paul guy at heart, but .....

April 27th, 2004, 08:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
stevedenver Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the mile high city Posts: 1,206 14 Photos	stan-is the double delux liek a low powered super-that is 2x12 in a tweed cab with a 5E3? i agree that would be the stuff-in fact the larger cab would be great-i ran my 5E3 with a weber equippd extension cab and the sound got huge-but a larger cab would be even nicer im sure bruce does a low powered super too-new kit and hes contemplating a JTM 45 -heard a prototype JTM sunday-much more of a rock sound than blues IMHO -now thats a much larger and more sophisticated project-real amp with lots of components and apparently very sensitive to being properly 'dressed' (lenghts of lead wires etc) but man it sounded great too __________________ Im really a Les Paul guy at heart, but .....

April 27th, 2004, 10:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tim Swartz Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan - Tweenst the Great Lakes Posts: 1,904	Can I get frys and a shake with my double deluxe?

April 28th, 2004, 11:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
stevedenver Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the mile high city Posts: 1,206 14 Photos	i understand the PTP marshall reissue of the head is in the vicinty of $3200+ i love the idea of having these amps available, and i understand too that many dont have the time or desire or ability to build thier own amp (nor do i think i would undertake a complex build either for the above reasons) -like hot rodding a guitar or car, there are so many factors which can subtley improve an amp that these high priced amps from major manufacturers begin to make less sense to me (why becuase i presume they are trading on thier name-rightly so-but not delivering a truly superior product) ...at this price level there are incrdeible amps out there like two rock, divided by 13, aiken, bocino which really may be a better value (but not the rock history icon) since they have in many cases taken original circuits and improved upon them.... i would be hard pressed to pay a premium price for a fender CS amp after seeing some of thier amps-one that come to mind was the two tone combo with a 10 and 12 " using the blues jr chassis, priced at what i beleived was an obscene price-my point -while many pay for dressed up things for the sake of style, many others presume that there is substance to the higher prices from major mfgrs... i dont presume to know the business end..just the consumer end from my little world...i do realize that any marshall or fender will have mass resale value over and above other names....but since i never sell anything __________________ Im really a Les Paul guy at heart, but .....

April 29th, 2004, 02:47 AM	#20 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	Nah, I wouldn't call the Double Deluxe a low power by any means. I think I've played everything that's out there currently or that's highly collectable under 10K and very proudly I'd take a Double Deluxe over them all. Really the only well-known I haven't played through is the Trainwreck but I do know know someone less than 2 hours from me that has one. I've played through plenty of AC-30's even the older non TB's and they sound great but they do run HOT. The Double Deluxe is going to be The Standard for a Great Amplifier, that's it's destiny, when you hear it and of course when you play through it you will be high on life. It's only when you walk away from it that reality falls back on your shoulders. No pedals needed, unless you're a delay person, we all like a little delay every now and then, but that's about it. I could not find a bad tone. It's made my friend Al B. a "recluse". He doesn't even cuss about his ex-wife anymore. His #1 is a Korean Squire Strat, he's got a real nice L.P.Special thats TV Yellow from the early 90's too, but it stays in the case. Squire Guy...Chuck Profit... machoism. __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

May 4th, 2004, 01:41 AM	#21 (permalink)
JoeyV Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northshore , MA Age: 44 Posts: 1,207 2 Photos	Hey Stan I will be performing in your neck of the woods on June 18 and 19th on the Mt. Washington cruise ship for Biker Week up in Laconia and I would love to hook up with you for a beer and to take that Double Deluxe amp for a test ride on the gig...you can sit in too..its with my old band Boston Baked Blues and by the name you can guess what kind of gig it is..... This is a grueling gig that we usually do 24 sets in 2 days!! Hey we are also looking for PA rental and soundguy that is from N.H....do you know anybody looking for a couple days work ? Really easy soundman gig..just set it up..set the levels for four mics and then go party , look at the bikes and the women ....let me know bro... Joey __________________ "I just love hearing them guitars go zing, zang , zoom"

May 4th, 2004, 10:02 AM	#22 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,071	Joey, It's not my Amp (I'll be getting my own sometime between Labor Day and Halloween). It's all I think about 24/7, not even an LT-1 for The Jeep is gonna shift my lust for this amp. __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

May 4th, 2004, 03:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
andrew Tele-Holic Join Date: May 2003 Location: Valley Ranch, TX Posts: 799 5 Photos	well surly SOMEONE can get a sound clip for this Double Deluxe. I'm starting the process of buying an amp, and now yall have me curious about this DD. :?