Celestion AlNiCo Blue vs. Weber Blue Dog

Primo Don · April 3rd, 2004, 02:13 PM

Are these speakers comparable? The Celestions are just over $300...

Thanks, Adam

Lyle Caldwell · April 3rd, 2004, 05:18 PM

Very comparable, esp if you mean the 15W Blue Dogs. The 30W and 50W speakers sound different than the Celestion Blues, but it's still the same kind of sound, just with less early breakup.

Bill Beck · April 3rd, 2004, 09:47 PM

I have a 15 watt alnico Blue Dog in my Groove Tubes amp, and it's the best speaker I've ever had, bar none.
Highly recommended.

Primo Don · April 4th, 2004, 03:00 PM

I think I'm jonzing for a '65 Deluxe Reverb RI and am already thinking of changing the speaker (actually on another DRRI player's recommendation.) I hear great things about the Celestion Blue but just can't swallow spending 3 Benjis on something that can be "blown." $165 is better, right?

I appreciate the input.

Adam

jmiles · April 4th, 2004, 03:02 PM

The Weber might sound real good, but there's nothing that sounds as "atmospheric" as a Blue bell. I have two of them in a Prescription Combo, and one in a Maz Jr.. I actually postponed my purchase of the Rx for a couple of months in order to save the extra money for the Bluebells after hearing Neil Zaza's Rx with Bluebells.
Of course, a lot depends on what type of sound you're really lookin' for. Some amps are probably not good candidates for BB's. I play clean, with maybe a little "edge", and the Dr Z's with BBs are perfect for me.
JB

68tele · April 4th, 2004, 03:30 PM

Music123 price: 269.99 new/219.99 refurbished w/full mfr's warranty & 45 day money-back guarantee.

Primo Don · April 4th, 2004, 04:28 PM

I'll bite, jmiles, where do I read about these Blue Bells? A quick Google search was not helpful.

Please keep it coming, guys! Adam

Jack Knife · April 4th, 2004, 09:04 PM

Check out the new Eminence Red Fang speakers. Supposedly a great Blue copy, they'e really liking them over at the Gear Page.

jmiles · April 5th, 2004, 01:57 AM

try lookin' here----

http://professional.celestion.com/pr...etail.asp?ID=3

Bill Beck · April 5th, 2004, 02:08 AM

All things being equal, I'd still go with Ted Weber's products. He's a great guy who stands behind his stuff, and is easily accessable. Try getting ahold of the owner of Celestion or Eminence...??

jmiles · April 5th, 2004, 02:35 PM

Ah, but all things aren't equal. If you get a Blue, you'll have no need to contact the owners of Celestion. Weber's are good, but why do you think everyone is trying to copy Celestion's Bluebell? Remember that speaker shoot-out in Guitar Player? They said that the Celestion Blue was the winner by miles. I beleive they also said something like there are two catagories of speakers, Celestion Blues, and everything else! I think that was the GP review. I know that when Dr Z sent in a Prescription Combo for a review, they told him it wasn't really fair, because he had Bluebells in the amp.
Amps, tubes, speakers, guitars, strings, etc., etc., all all personal choices. You have to find the sound that YOU want to hear. I have tried Webers, and they weren't for me. They didn't have the harmonic complexity or "atmospheric" qualities that i like to hear.
Blues are supposed to overdrive very sweetly, but I never drive them into that zone. To me, their clear, clean sound is heavenly.
They are expensive, and I wouldn't suggest that you put one in a lousy amp. What would be the point? But if you have a stellar amp, put in the best that you can afford! JB

Jay N. · April 5th, 2004, 03:04 PM

If you want the sound of Blues, buy Blues. I have two in a 2x12 cab and they are stunning. I'm thinking of getting another one with a new baffle for my Princeton Reverb.

You can find them used and in great shape quite frequently for $200 shipped. That's only about $15 or $20 more than a new Blue Dog shipped.

fullerplast · April 5th, 2004, 08:07 PM

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Ah, but all things aren't equal. If you get a Blue, you'll have no need to contact the owners of Celestion.

What jmiles said.....nothing else is quite the same. (But they are getting closer!)

Tim Bowen · April 6th, 2004, 03:34 AM

Man I sure hope they're getting closer... I have Celly Blues in three of my amps & I agree, it's like comparing Motion Sound to Leslie, there's nothin' like the real thing... but at 300 bucks a pop, if any of these babies blow out, I'd probably have to take a look around... cone cry or not, ouch, ...
*knocks on wood*

Frank Roberts · April 6th, 2004, 04:56 PM

The Weber VST site has the article. It may aid in your decision. [url http://www.webervst.com/bt9908.htm][/url]

fontaine · April 6th, 2004, 06:10 PM

$230.00 at avatar.

April 3rd, 2004, 02:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
Primo Don Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 31 Posts: 381	Celestion AlNiCo Blue vs. Weber Blue Dog Are these speakers comparable? The Celestions are just over $300... Thanks, Adam __________________ Why yes, I do have a liberal arts degree...do you want fries with that?

April 3rd, 2004, 05:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lyle Caldwell Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 535	Very comparable, esp if you mean the 15W Blue Dogs. The 30W and 50W speakers sound different than the Celestion Blues, but it's still the same kind of sound, just with less early breakup. __________________ "Everybody sings about Memphis, but nobody ever does anything about it."

April 3rd, 2004, 09:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bill Beck Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Posts: 372	Thumbs up on the Weber. I have a 15 watt alnico Blue Dog in my Groove Tubes amp, and it's the best speaker I've ever had, bar none. Highly recommended.

April 4th, 2004, 03:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
Primo Don Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 31 Posts: 381	Thanks, guys! I think I'm jonzing for a '65 Deluxe Reverb RI and am already thinking of changing the speaker (actually on another DRRI player's recommendation.) I hear great things about the Celestion Blue but just can't swallow spending 3 Benjis on something that can be "blown." $165 is better, right? I appreciate the input. Adam __________________ Why yes, I do have a liberal arts degree...do you want fries with that?

April 4th, 2004, 03:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
jmiles Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 165	There's no other speaker that sounds as good as a Bluebell. The Weber might sound real good, but there's nothing that sounds as "atmospheric" as a Blue bell. I have two of them in a Prescription Combo, and one in a Maz Jr.. I actually postponed my purchase of the Rx for a couple of months in order to save the extra money for the Bluebells after hearing Neil Zaza's Rx with Bluebells. Of course, a lot depends on what type of sound you're really lookin' for. Some amps are probably not good candidates for BB's. I play clean, with maybe a little "edge", and the Dr Z's with BBs are perfect for me. JB

April 4th, 2004, 03:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
68tele Tele-Holic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northport LI Posts: 670	Blue for under $300. Music123 price: 269.99 new/219.99 refurbished w/full mfr's warranty & 45 day money-back guarantee.

April 4th, 2004, 04:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
Primo Don Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 31 Posts: 381	I'll bite, jmiles, where do I read about these Blue Bells? A quick Google search was not helpful. Please keep it coming, guys! Adam __________________ Why yes, I do have a liberal arts degree...do you want fries with that?

April 4th, 2004, 09:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jack Knife Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 383	Check out the new Eminence Red Fang speakers. Supposedly a great Blue copy, they'e really liking them over at the Gear Page.

April 5th, 2004, 01:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
jmiles Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 165	Celestion Blue try lookin' here---- http://professional.celestion.com/pr...etail.asp?ID=3

April 5th, 2004, 02:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bill Beck Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Posts: 372	I tell you what... All things being equal, I'd still go with Ted Weber's products. He's a great guy who stands behind his stuff, and is easily accessable. Try getting ahold of the owner of Celestion or Eminence...??

April 5th, 2004, 02:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
jmiles Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 165	"All things being equal" Ah, but all things aren't equal. If you get a Blue, you'll have no need to contact the owners of Celestion. Weber's are good, but why do you think everyone is trying to copy Celestion's Bluebell? Remember that speaker shoot-out in Guitar Player? They said that the Celestion Blue was the winner by miles. I beleive they also said something like there are two catagories of speakers, Celestion Blues, and everything else! I think that was the GP review. I know that when Dr Z sent in a Prescription Combo for a review, they told him it wasn't really fair, because he had Bluebells in the amp. Amps, tubes, speakers, guitars, strings, etc., etc., all all personal choices. You have to find the sound that YOU want to hear. I have tried Webers, and they weren't for me. They didn't have the harmonic complexity or "atmospheric" qualities that i like to hear. Blues are supposed to overdrive very sweetly, but I never drive them into that zone. To me, their clear, clean sound is heavenly. They are expensive, and I wouldn't suggest that you put one in a lousy amp. What would be the point? But if you have a stellar amp, put in the best that you can afford! JB

April 5th, 2004, 03:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jay N. Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 198	If you want the sound of Blues, buy Blues. I have two in a 2x12 cab and they are stunning. I'm thinking of getting another one with a new baffle for my Princeton Reverb. You can find them used and in great shape quite frequently for $200 shipped. That's only about $15 or $20 more than a new Blue Dog shipped.

April 6th, 2004, 03:34 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tim Bowen Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Age: 48 Posts: 3,390	Man I sure hope they're getting closer... I have Celly Blues in three of my amps & I agree, it's like comparing Motion Sound to Leslie, there's nothin' like the real thing... but at 300 bucks a pop, if any of these babies blow out, I'd probably have to take a look around... cone cry or not, ouch, ... knocks on wood __________________ "Everyone is different in how they learn, but for me, it's turning the pegs and just playing." - BB

April 6th, 2004, 04:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
Frank Roberts Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 242	Guitar Player did a shootout of 12" AlNiCo's The Weber VST site has the article. It may aid in your decision. [url http://www.webervst.com/bt9908.htm][/url]

April 6th, 2004, 06:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
fontaine Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 338	Celestion Blue $230.00 at avatar.