1949 Fender Pro- $28500.00 on E-Bay

[beach bob]

Originally Posted by 59TweedVibrolux

Like Days of Our Lives.....you can go off on holiday, come back and its still going !!!

[59TweedVibrolux]

Originally Posted by Guitarslinger1

Yeah I wondered about that too. Didn't he only have 5 feedbacks or something? When you see so many noobie buyers bidding on something like this, you have to wonder if it's all monkey business.

Yes....odd to spend $6823 on an amp and your last purchase on
ebay is a can of $9.95 Shampoo Only 5 Deals on ebay, lives in CA
and one purchase was from Voltage Guitars, which has a connection to VG
Hollywood. Interesting

Under the Sellers Terms & Conditions of Sale, its virtually impossible to make
a claim. He covered all bases as far as Guarantees go. Only guarantee.....
That the amp he bought, is the amp he's selling....no changes to parts or
components. Unfortunately that's not the issue.....its his claim as to its
Authenticity as this Rarest Fender Woody Ever, and Missing Link Amp.
Its this claim that attracted the high bidding. Unfortunately it was only the
sellers opinion , not concrete proof. So the Buyer has no basis for claim.

If he's happy with the amp as is, great. $6823 for a 1950 Pro in a Custom
Cab ???.....well its worth around $2200 tops. A Mint Tweed Super or
Tremolux would have been a better investment me thinks. I would hate
to think I'd just dropped = $ 4600 Dead on a Bitsa Amp.

How many Cans of Redken Daily Shampoo would that buy

[59TweedVibrolux]

Over 2 weeks since the sale, both seller & buyer are in CA, neither have
posted Feedback for the sale.....Hmmm Thought it was a Sham

[beach bob]

59TV, do you go by an alias of Claire Voyant by any chance?

I was looking at this thread last night, to get the eBay link and see what goofiness that seller has been up to... and as it turns out; not much, just selling a couple PAF's, for high dollar, big surprise

I hadn't noticed the no feedbacks on that '49 Pro auction (I guess cuz I didn't look!). Perhaps we can conclude this seller made no sale and actually burned himself on that one?? I'm probably reading too much into it ... but if so, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy ...

[jimmybusk]

Am I missing something ??? What about the obvious..., The philip head screw didn't come out until 1952 ..period

[59TweedVibrolux]

Originally Posted by beach bob

59TV, do you go by an alias of Claire Voyant by any chance?

I was looking at this thread last night, to get the eBay link and see what goofiness that seller has been up to... and as it turns out; not much, just selling a couple PAF's, for high dollar, big surprise

I hadn't noticed the no feedbacks on that '49 Pro auction (I guess cuz I didn't look!). Perhaps we can conclude this seller made no sale and actually burned himself on that one?? I'm probably reading too much into it ... but if so, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy ...

Nah.......just was curious to see if either party ever left any
feedback since the sale.....doesn't surprise to see none. Seller sold a Tweed
Vibrolux a month or so back, went for approx $4900, amazing price, I
checked back weeks later, neither seller or buyer left feedback for each
other.........Strange as the Seller makes a big thing of a buyer leaving
positive feedback as a part of the sale. I think he even states in his listings
he expects it !!!

Great Point....Jimmy Busk That thing had Phillips Heads all over it.

Found this Review, had to laugh...http://insiderpages.com/b/3711196277
Worst Store - Anywhere..... followed by some glowing reviews, apparently
placed by the store owner to counter the negatuve

[ojaverde]

Looking at ebay today and what do I find? Is this the original seller or someone different?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1949-FENDER-PRO-...QQcmdZViewItem

[beach bob]

A mirage ... it's an invalid item now ...

[JimiBryant]

think that I'm going to cease following this thread now.

I can't believe there's a weasel in Hollywood..
shocked, simply shocked I am!

BAHAHAHAHA!

[sjhusting]

Originally Posted by jimmybusk

Am I missing something ??? What about the obvious..., The philip head screw didn't come out until 1952 ..period

Not true according to well-known screw historian Seymour Duncan - see #54:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support...ours-q-a/5175/

Also, see the Wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips

Kind of interesting, for some reason I always thought the Dutch Philips company invented it.

but that doesn't change anything as far as this amp goes

steven

[jimmybusk]

those articles refer to when the philips head was patented. Leo [and most likely everyone else] didn't use them until late 52-53 .the same goes with cars. my guess is thats when company's started manufacturing them

[Steve327]

The latest time the amp popped up (today or yesterday) was just a hijacked photo scam auction and got shut down quickly.

I don't think the amp ever sold and was just shilled in the last 'actual' auction (if you can call it that). this auction was quite a pill on many forums. Just goes to show not everything is at it seems. $16K Bassmans that allegedly sell in a current market where Bassmans are coming in low due to an influx of them in the last year hitting ebay. Then I recall that mint tweed champ with box a couple, few months back. He stopped and restarted the auction about three times intensely worrying he wasn't going to yield every dime possible for it. When he was called on some suspect actions he showed up on a forum or two as the seller and got defensive with those who called him out. the auction eventually was high bid around $5,000 by someone with 3 or 4 feedback points. a shill seemed pretty obvious. especially when weeks later neither had exchanged feedback.

You really have to watch when you buy an amp on ebay. this last week there was a 63 Vibroverb where the seller claimed 100% original but it was completely recapped, the output transformer was from 64 and the speakers were not original either! yet some newbie tossed over $6000 at it.
a person really needs to do homework if they are fixing to buy anything on ebay worth more than a couple hundred dollars.

[59TweedVibrolux]

Yeah, I have struck a number of sellers who won't offer pictures of the
internals of a vintage amp. Recently, Jim's Guitars, Baltimore. Had a Tweed
Deluxe, 1959 claimed to be all original. I asked for pics of circuit, they obliged
but I could see the O/T was not correct for '59. the wires coming through
the rubber grommet were wrong color and had printing on them. Triad was
Yellow plastic covered. Schumacher, Green.

Asked for pics of the actual Transformers. Wouldn't oblige. Replied simply
saying.... " O/T says Triad" No O/T Says Triad. They have 108
stamped on em for 1959, and Schumacher has the 606 impressed into the
metal. The exposed wiring was neither of these. So obviously a replaced
O/T Transformer...... which has a big effect on the " Collector " value to a
buyer.
They expect you to pay top $$$ without you being able to confirm the amp
IS as they say, 100% Original. Surely as a buyer you have a right to that
disclosure from a retailer.

Seen a lot of these unbelievably high priced amps sell on ebay without
either the seller / buyer ever leaving feedback for each other.

[jimmybusk]

Don't most tweeds[that have been played ] have changed caps? How much does that devalue the amp? The only one that i had with original caps ,started smoking a week after I got it. ...........'back to the Woodie Amp.., My guess is that there's an original cabinet in real nice condition out there waiting to emerge .

[beach bob]

Originally Posted by jimmybusk

Don't most tweeds[that have been played ] have changed caps? How much does that devalue the amp?

There's a webpage that tracks vintage Fender sales at Ebay [can't find it now of course]... they list only the amps w/ minor repairs... replaced tubes, caps, and speakers fit that category, and do not significantly devalue the amp. Most people will agree that tubes and caps are minor & needed repairs, though speakers are a different subject.

I would say that unless one has a completely clean / mint / 100% original old Fender, replacing the caps won't reduce its value. And yes, for the most part, a played amp that's 40-50 years old will have had the caps replaced, or is in need of it. I have learned here that that there are exceptions to this, as there are with many things in life

Originally Posted by jimmybusk

back to the Woodie Amp.., My guess is that there's an original cabinet in real nice condition out there waiting to emerge .

I wouldn't count on that. Only a certain percentage of vintage amps / guitars have survived to present day... I'd think the odds of an unloaded amp cabinet having survived in someone's shop for most of 50 years is pretty unlikely. Whatever the provenance of that Pro amp, the custom cabinet did appear to be quite old... so the original cabinet was set aside long ago ...

[ojaverde]

It's back on ebay and can be yours for only $1300.00!. Let's see how long it stays listed this time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1949-FENDER-PRO-...QQcmdZViewItem

[milocj]

Located in the US and being sold by a seller in the UK who doesn't want to be contacted through Ebay.

[Strawfields]

I have absolutely no idea about these things but I reckon it may be a composite of originals parts ... maybe several amps went in to reproduce this... some bits look too 'new'...

The price is surely based on it's provenance so why is he so reluctant to provide this providence...perhaps a picture of Hank williams playing it or something

There seems to be blood on it.

At the end of the day anyone stupid enough to spend that amount on an amp deserves to be robbed...

[ThermionicScott]

Originally Posted by ojaverde

It's back on ebay and can be yours for only $1300.00!. Let's see how long it stays listed this time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1949-FENDER-PRO-...QQcmdZViewItem

Gone already!

[Strawfields]

What's this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1949-FENDER-PRO-...:B:SRCH:US:101

looks like it's on the move or there's more than one

http://cgi.ebay.com/1949-FENDER-PRO-...QQcmdZViewItem