1949 Fender Pro- $28500.00 on E-Bay

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by Wally

http://www.webervst.com/amps/messages/32595.html

Interesting post over at WEber in response to 'Mike'.

An interesting response to Al: http://www.webervst.com/amps/messages/32600.html

And of course there's this: http://www.webervst.com/amps/messages/32562.html

[Wally]

Gunslinger, I do not have permission to use the West Coast expert's name....but his first name happens to be the same as the poster on the Weber board. I learned of his thoughts on the amp from a friend, and I learned it before the posting on the WEber board. If they are one and the same, I have to give some weight to his observations. He has been in the business longer than either Sprung and WEber. More importantly, he has viewed the amp in person.
Please realize that I am not supporting the claims of anyone on any side of this question. I find it very interesting. I do know that there are too many questions for me to have a definitive understanding of what this amp really is....and I don't know if there is any one person that can KNOW....it is all belief, as you say. I do believe this...there isn't anyone who HAS NOT INSPECTED THE AMP firsthand that would be able to take an oath in court and say "that amp is ______ whatever." They could say that it looks like, or it is different from.....but they could not and would wisely refuse to say under oath that it is fake.
Just as it has been said here that the seller should provide provenance and support for his claimes, when a person claims fraud and it gets to the legal part of the debate, proof of fraud must be established. I can't do that from my chair in Texas, and I really don't see that you can either. We can only talk about what we can see, read and think. AS John Sprung wrote to me "But what do I know?"
I do find it interesting that you find Mike's claim palatable, but Al's claims hit you as bogus. Whatever fits, right? Man, I just can't know....I can think, but I can't know. I hope you understand me on this. When we hang a man for horse thievery, it would be best if we have concrete evidence. And...important point....we aren't the jury and there is no trial????

Oh, and if you think that transformer ..output, right? ....is worth that much, I will sell you a complete wide panel PRo.... original cabinet and speaker(FIELD COIL).....for a good price. The cab needs recovering, but all else is ready to go. There is no Doubt that it was built by Leo and friends...the tube chart is there, too. The cab is finger-jointed. The numbers are correct. IT does have a new Merc. Mag. power tranny. That doesn't affect the sonics. The OT is the heart of it. Lily signed the tape in the chassis. It is hard to read after all these years, but it is still there.

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by Wally

I am told that the measurements on the ebay cabinet mirror a Woody amp.

Ok, now I'm calling complete and total BS.

Do you believe everything you're told? My goodness.

The measurements can not possibly mirror those of a Woody. I won't go into everything but the TV Front chassis that's in the auction amp is MUCH wider than the chassis in a Woody.

But the real obvious reason is that the cabinet dimensions of a Woody Pro are much smaller than the auction amp's cabinet.

Just look at how wide the auction amp cabinet is. The 15" speaker is offset with lots of room on one side, and a fair amount on the other.

Now here is a photo of the back of a Woody Pro...



Now here is one of the photos of the auction amp...



Note how the Woody cab is not much bigger than the diameter of the 15" speaker. The speaker is almost crammed in.

Note all of the room around the 15" speaker in the auction amp.

Also note that the Woody cab is square if not taller than it is wide. And the auction cab is wider than it is tall.

The two have no similarities in dimensions.

The auction amp's cab may be the same dimensions as a TV Front Pro cab, but certainly not the same as a Woody Pro cab.

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by Wally

Gunslinger, I do not have permission to use the West Coast expert's name....but his first name happens to be the same as the poster on the Weber board. I learned of his thoughts on the amp from a friend, and I learned it before the posting on the WEber board. If they are one and the same, I have to give some weight to his observations. He has been in the business longer than either Sprung and WEber. More importantly, he has viewed the amp in person.
Please realize that I am not supporting the claims of anyone on any side of this question. I find it very interesting. I do know that there are too many questions for me to have a definitive understanding of what this amp really is....and I don't know if there is any one person that can KNOW....it is all belief, as you say. I do believe this...there isn't anyone who HAS NOT INSPECTED THE AMP firsthand that would be able to take an oath in court and say "that amp is ______ whatever." They could say that it looks like, or it is different from.....but they could not and would wisely refuse to say under oath that it is fake.
Just as it has been said here that the seller should provide provenance and support for his claimes, when a person claims fraud and it gets to the legal part of the debate, proof of fraud must be established. I can't do that from my chair in Texas, and I really don't see that you can either. We can only talk about what we can see, read and think. AS John Sprung wrote to me "But what do I know?"
I do find it interesting that you find Mike's claim palatable, but Al's claims hit you as bogus. Whatever fits, right? Man, I just can't know....I can think, but I can't know. I hope you understand me on this. When we hang a man for horse thievery, it would be best if we have concrete evidence. And...important point....we aren't the jury and there is no trial????

Oh, and if you think that transformer ..output, right? ....is worth that much, I will sell you a complete wide panel PRo.... original cabinet and speaker(FIELD COIL).....for a good price. The cab needs recovering, but all else is ready to go. There is no Doubt that it was built by Leo and friends...the tube chart is there, too. The cab is finger-jointed. The numbers are correct. IT does have a new Merc. Mag. power tranny. That doesn't affect the sonics. The OT is the heart of it. Lily signed the tape in the chassis. It is hard to read after all these years, but it is still there.

Whoa Wally...

Yes, the Triad output and power transformers would be worth something.

And you simply do not have a wide panel Pro with a field coil speaker. I'm calling BS on that.

Yes, Mike's claim goes along with the non-Fender, aftermarket, cabinet maker look of the cabinet, and the shady nature of the dealer selling the amp, that I was well aware of in past shady auctions of his. This does not mean it's true, only more plausible.

Now Al's claim was just more of the same as the dealer's with the auction:

"I own NINE original Woody amps, and I KNOW that this is an ORIGINAL Custom-made Fender amp cabinet."

Again, we're supposed to believe it because he says so, though our own eyes and knowledge say differently? No way. Note that he cites no specific details to back his claim up.

Wally, you must stop believing things just cause some guy says so. Some guy may not be so honest...

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by Wally

He has been in the business longer than either Sprung and WEber.

How long has he been in business?

[59TweedVibrolux]

Originally Posted by Guitarslinger1

Now he has added photos of a real Woody to the auction to back up the bogus amps authenticity I guess??? LOL

How can experts claim its Fender like ? No one has ever seen an amp like
this before so what do they base that opinion on ?

The Internal Bracing is wrong, The Baffle Board Style, Shape, Covering
Material and way its be affixed are all wrong. I've seen other amps of this
period with the same style Wooden handle, not hard to copy for a skilled
cabinet maker. The Screws on this are sitting down below the surface of
the handle, on the Real woody they are above that surface. You don't get
wear to the metal such as on the screws of this amp without someone
having screwed and unscrewed it a number of times. The cab probably
measures the same as a Tweed Pro cab. It most certainly is far wider
than a Woody Pro. How they can say its the exact same cab size as a
Woody. What Fender Amp EVER had 5 Screws holding the bottom back
panel on .....even the big Fender Twin had 2. So this sellers amp cab
could not be the identical size as an Original Woody.

The reply on Webervst is interesting.......a friend possibly or the seller
anon ?? I did inform him of the post on the WeberVST Forum.

As he was throwing out sarcastic remarks toward one person who had
asked regarding the compensation to the widow, I emailed him informing
him that a large thread was on the forums about him and the amp. And
that a person had told a different story about the history of the sale of
the amp on the Weber Forum, and asked why the screws show wear
and tarnish contrary to what he claims about nothing has been even
touched on the amp. And would he like to reply on his listing to all
this and give his side of the story

The Reply.......... NO REPLY...... on the listing or to me through ebay.
To me that speaks volumes about the amp and its history being (not)
genuine.

What, did this original owner submit his own personal set of drawings to
Leo, telling him I want a cab of Flamed maple, built like this, braced
like this, with a Baffle like this, covered in this, with a grill cloth with
musical notes on it ???....... and Leo said, no problem, I'll have my
guys stop building the Wide Panel cabs, to knock up this one off just
for you. ??

We're talking Fender Electrical Inst Co here, not some small Custom shop
that builds one offs to order.

All his claims are pure fantasy. Ask George Fullerton I'm sure he'd
confirm that nothing like this ever left the Fender Plant.

The guy on WeberVST stating its no big thing and we should mind our own
business.....er no, if this seller bought the amp for himself, fair enough,
But he is offering it for Public Auction, that's a whole different ball
game. If what he is describing is not correct, and at this point without
ANY Provenance whatsoever it is, then that's Misrepresentation. If he is
aware that what he is saying is not true, then that's FRAUD under the Law.

Every Supro listed on Ebay could CLAIM to be the one used by Jimmy
Page without provenance / proof positive........oh hang on they do !!!

But you get the point.........you can claim anything you like, but without
concrete proof..... NOT speculative opinions from a bunch of nameless
Experts the seller claims to have looked at the amp, then it aint what
you claim it to be......or at very least, you can't claim it to be what you
believe it to be in the public arena. The laws are there to protect buyers
from such shonky practices. Its like those adverts.....This product was
laboratory tested by a Team of Experts !!! Please Prove who these
Experts were and give evidence / reasons to explain why and how they
reached the opinion that this indeed was a product of Fender in 1950.

Could it be.... 1. They don't exist ? or 2. They don't want their names
published in case it does turn out to be fake, thus making them look
fools ??

I'd lay odds George Fullerton would laugh at this if he saw it.

It was mentioned that the seller paid a possible figure of around $6000.
Funny how the Bidding shot up to $5900 in the first couple of days and
then stalled and has remained at that figure for the past few days.

Could it be that those early bids are not genuine ? But designed to
1. Give the impression that the amp is genuine ?
2. Run the bidding up and now hope it attracts Genuine Bids from this
point, taking the price to above what the seller paid. Thus escaping
without losing anything. Hmmmm

[59TweedVibrolux]

A friend in Hong Kong just sent me an email. He had emailed the seller asking
about the amp, and also questioned the authenticity. He is a very big
collector of Vintage Fender Amps & Guitars with a substantial collection, inc
Real Woody's, and everything on from there.

He actually got a reply from the seller.......this is it :-

" This amp is 100% Original guaranteed, as stated in the auction.
We Buy and Sell more Fender amps than anyone, so we are the True
Experts. We know what fools are saying in the forums, and they have
no idea. We are honest dealers".

" Gerald Weber and John Sprung are not True Vintage Experts,
we Are ".

" Please do not bid on any of our Auctions".


Nice Guy, obviously customer relations is one of his strong points.
" Do not bid on any of our auctions"...... Nice

I like the comments about Mr Gerald Weber and John Sprung
" they are not True Experts on Fender Amps".
" We are True Experts, we sell more Fender amps than anyone else"

So this little store is the largest dealer of Fender Amps in the U.S.A.

Mr Gerald Weber has for the past 30 yrs pulled apart, serviced, re-built
just about every Fender there is, Neil Young's Tweed Deluxes included.
He has written Reference books on the subject, produced DVD's and
regularly holds Amp Camps and seminars. Wrote for approx 10 yrs for
V.G. " Ask Gerald " Amp Page, owned a large collection of Vintage
Fenders, yet isn't an expert. Then to include Mr John Sprung as well

I've had it wrong all this time......all you need do to be AN EXPERT is
to sell more Fender Amps than anyone.

But what do we know......as he states, we are all Fools

[teleon]

An honest businessman whith nothing to hide might assure a buyer that if what the fools on the forums are saying is true-money back guarentee,no problemo.

[Wally]

Gunslinger, I will admit that my statement about the measurements
'mirroring' those of an amp with a Woody chassis is not defendable. I should have simply stated that certain measurements..the handle in particular...are identical. Of course, the width of the cab will differ because the 'tweed' chassis differs from the 'woody' chassis. We have to admit that there are similarities in the construction just as we agree that there are dissimilarities.
I, too, noticed the offset speaker. Please note that I am not, have not, and will not take the stance that this ebay amp is a 'Fender custom-build'.....unless provenance is found. I am simply a bit less judgemental than you and 59TV on what the origins of the amp are and what has transpired with the transaction.
I will also admit to a brain lapse on the 'wide panel' Pro....it has been a long week. It is in fact a TV front Pro, #2611, from 1950. That's a 'duh' on me.
I will suggest that you use some other term besides BULL**** in your references to me. Vulgarity doesn't further any communications. IT leads to
a degradation of discussion...you know...like *******, sob....on and on.
We can agree to have our own points of view and make our own mistakes without vulgarity.

"We're talking Fender Electrical Inst Co here, not some small Custom shop
that builds one offs to order."
IT is established that indeed Fender Elect. Inst. Co. did on rare occassions build one-off amps. We have discussed one of them here...the 5F6A Bassman head and cabinet amp....obviously custom-built one-off and accepted as genuine. Dick Dale's work with Leo Fender led to what were initially a custom-built reverb unit and the Showman amp. Sure, they went into production, but the customer was the driving force with a personal request for such equipment.
"HOw long has he been is business?" Longer than the owner of VGH. The owner of VGH has 30 years of vintage instrument experience.

Again, I am not taking one side or the other here. I honestly don't know what the history of this amp is. Here is what I do know....
It is a Fender TV-front era chassis.
It is sitting in a nice cab that has links to Fender's Woody cabs in construction technique. There are also discrepancies in the techniques when compared to production Fender amps.
There are claims made by the 'seller' that I cannot accept as accurate without provenance.
I also do not know if those claims constitute fraud or any concious misrepresentation....because I do not conclusively know the history.
The 'widow' and her nephew took someone to the cleaners if what ya'll believe is true. $6K for this amp without provenance is way high. On this we agree.
We weren't privy to the transaction as it actually transpired. We do not know what claims were made by the seller to the buyer. Everything we 'know' is all secondhand and , frankly, conjecture.

I agree with 59's earlier post...we have taken this about as far as it can go with the information that is currently available. We all basically agree on the amp...it is an unknown. Where we differ is simply in our viewpoint toward the auction. Would I buy it as 'original'....I have stated that I wouldn't. I will be surprised if the amp actually sells. As I have stated...it ain't worth $6K.
I will also restate this. IF VGH or its buyer paid $6K, they did so based either on their assesment...correct or not...that the amp was a Fender Custom build. OR....they were misled by the seller and 'bought' the hype. I don't know...I wasn't there. By the admission of the nephew, DAve, we can assume that the asking price was high. Mike confirms this as he turned it down at $6K. That high asking price was based on something extraordinary....whether it was reality or not...wasn't it? How much would you give for the amp? I assume from your vigorous pint of view on this auction that if you were offered the amp by the original seller at $6K, you would back off and run away.
So, as I noted, the widow and DAve have done very well for themselves. Everyone else is either hurting or watching, right? Ya'll have been adamant in crucifying VGH for making unsupported claims. What would you think of the widow and DAVe if you were to find that they made unsupported claims?
CAveat emptor. As I noted way back in this thread, it may be that VGH or its buyer did not heed the 'buyer beware' warning that exists in this world.
Mike has told us that VGH purchased this amp based on VGH's assesment. How does he know this? Was he there? Does he know how the amp was presented to VGH? How was it presented to him? HE says he backed out after realizing that he had questions/concerns about the cab. Was the amp initially presented to him as authentic? We have been told that DAve has now presented new evidence that refutes any claims of this amp being a Fender custom-build. Was this evidence given to VGH? IT wasn't given to Mike, or least he didn't tell us so, right? I am going to surmise that anyone asking $6K for an amp like this is going to have to present the amp in some kind of special light in order to try to justify such a price. IF the sellers looked VGH's buyer in the eye and said...."we know that this cabinet was built in the original owner's cabinet shop", do you think VGH's buyer would have given big bucks for it? I doubt it, but it could happen. Again, I wasn't there. Maybe there was just miscommunication???
Hang everybody if you are going to hang one person. But, make sure you hang the right people with good evidence.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by teleon

An honest businessman whith nothing to hide might assure a buyer that if what the fools on the forums are saying is true-money back guarentee,no problemo.

Teleon, I pointed out that the ebay seller has this provision in his ad. The reply in this thread was that that is not a valid money back guarantee. Some folks seem to think that it is just hype and not enforcible. ????

[Guitarslinger1]

Wally,

I agree with you that Bull would be nicer I suppose than BS, but keep in mind, those are just two letters "BS". I did not spell out any vulgar words.

But from now on in regards to your posts I will call Bull and not BS.

That said, it is unlikely that you have a TV Front Pro with a factory installed field coil speaker. Please post a photo of it.

Again, I suppose anything is possible, but Fender stopped using field coil speakers with the Woodies. The Woodie Pro in the picture I posted has a field coil speaker.

Wally, here is what you wrote: "I am told that the measurements on the ebay cabinet mirror a Woody amp."

I do not see the word "certain" in there.

Yes there are similarities between the auction cab and real Woodies. The handles are similar, and they are both made of wood. That's about it.

"IT is established that indeed Fender Elect. Inst. Co. did on rare occassions build one-off amps. We have discussed one of them here...the 5F6A Bassman head and cabinet amp....obviously custom-built one-off and accepted as genuine. Dick Dale's work with Leo Fender led to what were initially a custom-built reverb unit and the Showman amp. Sure, they went into production, but the customer was the driving force with a personal request for such equipment."

Wally, this has been gone over before. Yes, Fender did "one offs" and experimental models. But they ALL look like Fenders made by Fender, using Fender construction techniques and materials. Nobody doubts the 5F6A head and cab because they look exactly like a Fender 5F6A made as a head and cab, complete with Fender logos etc.

The cab in the auction on the other hand, looks nothing like anything Fender built, past present or future. The materials are not right, especially with the Phillips screws and washers in the front of the baffle, and more importantly the construction techniques look absolutely like nothing that Fender ever did.

Whether the "mystery expert" has 30 years experience or 130 years experience, his opinion is meaningless unless he his willing to put his name on his appraisal, and lists the details about the auction cab that lead him to his opinion. Aside from that, his opinion is no more credible than the dealer's. This "it's authentic because I say so" nonsense is simply meaningless.

Have you noticed that the people who say the cab is bogus, like Gerald Weber, can list off the reasons why they say that it's bogus, but the people who say it's authentic can only say "it's authentic because I say so"? Think about it.

[Wally]

Gunslinger, I will correct myself one more time...it has been a long time since I looked at this amp. I dated it in this thread by glancing at the pot dates...
25th week of '50. The amp is apart awaiting recover.
TV Pro, #2611....this dates it to 1951 according the 20th Century Guitar articles. Teh serial number is on the tube chart and stamped into the chassis.
This correlates to the date on the speaker.....220137, type code F15NC5563
When I got the amp, I was curious about the speaker because it sticks out the back about a 1/4". I did some research and learned that indeed this occurs in TV Pro's that are carrying filed-coil speakers. Due to the size of the filed-coil, the bell cover gets beaten up sticking out the back that little bit. No one I qeustioned on this found it the least bit odd....it is a Fender and is original. Ted WEber reconed the speaker and was one of the sources confirming that this arrangement can occur. The chassis wiring to the field coil is original and unmolested.
IF you ever see this amp for sale, you can use whatever expertise you can find to try to pick it apart. Until then, I don't have the time or the inclination to put pictures into a service so I can download them here.
Please don't consider this an evasion. Remember, I said that one of my reasons for getting involved in this thread was because someone took exception to an amp that I put up for sale being 'too clean'. I have some experience in this filed. I make a living at it and take care to know what I am buying and selling. I would definintely offer a money back gurantee on anything I sell regarding authenticity. This amp is for real....no bull...

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by Wally

Gunslinger, I will correct myself one more time...it has been a long time since I looked at this amp. I dated it in this thread by glancing at the pot dates...
25th week of '50. The amp is apart awaiting recover.
TV Pro, #2611....this dates it to 1951 according the 20th Century Guitar articles. Teh serial number is on the tube chart and stamped into the chassis.
This correlates to the date on the speaker.....220137, type code F15NC5563
When I got the amp, I was curious about the speaker because it sticks out the back about a 1/4". I did some research and learned that indeed this occurs in TV Pro's that are carrying filed-coil speakers. Due to the size of the filed-coil, the bell cover gets beaten up sticking out the back that little bit. No one I qeustioned on this found it the least bit odd....it is a Fender and is original. Ted WEber reconed the speaker and was one of the sources confirming that this arrangement can occur. The chassis wiring to the field coil is original and unmolested.
IF you ever see this amp for sale, you can use whatever expertise you can find to try to pick it apart. Until then, I don't have the time or the inclination to put pictures into a service so I can download them here.
Please don't consider this an evasion. Remember, I said that one of my reasons for getting involved in this thread was because someone took exception to an amp that I put up for sale being 'too clean'. I have some experience in this filed. I make a living at it and take care to know what I am buying and selling. I would definintely offer a money back gurantee on anything I sell regarding authenticity. This amp is for real....no bull...

My apologies Wally. In light of all of the "unique" facts in the auction that this thread is about, it was looking to me like your claim was more of the same.

You brought your rare TV Front Pro into the discussion. I only wanted photographic proof, because I was unsure if your take on it was accurate, and I wanted to see for myself. No crime in that.

[Wally]

Gunslinger1, no problem. HEy, with as many errors in my posts I am going to be skeptical about what I am claiming. LOL Caveat. caveat, caveat.....
Have a good weekend....

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by Wally

Gunslinger1, no problem. HEy, with as many errors in my posts I am going to be skeptical about what I am claiming. LOL Caveat. caveat, caveat.....
Have a good weekend....

Right on Wally.

My apologies if I came off harsh. There's something going on that's unrelated to this, and I may have let it color my demeanor here.

Cheers!

PS. You can't just bring up an amp like your TV Front and not post photos! Amp geeks gotta see it!

[59TweedVibrolux]

Guitarslinger, You got it before I could reply. Yes, Fender did do some one
off variations. But as you pointed out, they all looked FENDER. All built using
recognized Fender Construction Techniques, Materials etc. This amp is way
off and to me does look - Built by a skilled Hobbyist of Cabinet maker.

My friend in HK had 2 more replies. 1. The Seller & 2. Mr John Sprung

In response to his question : " Why can't you obtain a letter from the Widow
and Nephew and post it on ebay for all to see" ?

Response from VGH : Yes, we do have a letter from the Widow and
Nephew saying its original. The New Owner gets it ! ".

First time they have ever mentioned the existence of this " Letter "
and once again you have to BUY the amp to get ALL this Evidence. Why
not show all these on the ebay for potential buyers to judge for
themselves ?????

Mr John Sprung Reply : " Thanks for the email, you may want to
mention to VG that the black material was not avail till late '50s. Also
none of the construction methods match any of Fenders methods for
that period. They did not have a "Custom" Shop at the time. There
are many other problems with this amp. You would think that these guys
would simply admit they made a mistake and fix it. I have owned and
studied over 50 "woody's" and thousands of Fender Tweed amps. They
all used the same construction techniques".

THE GUARANTEE FROM THIS SELLER...... A JOKE


And just on the point of Guarantees and Refunds. The seller states
All hardware and parts are Original to THIS amp. He is NOT saying the
amp is (as he described) an Original Rarest Fender ever. " All sales are
final, No Refunds or Exchanges. We feel the buyer should be aware of
their part in the transaction and that they have the responsibility of
assuming some or the liability" What.....you
mean, if what they are telling you isn't true, its partly your fault and
you must wear the loss !!!

There is NO Guarantee with this amp contrary to what the seller says.
He cleverly words it to say that every component is Original TO THIS AMP.
Not that this amp is as he describes it !!!. Simply that the amp, as he
purchased it, is original and nothing has been changed from the time
he bought it to now...... very clever

Anyone who buys this amp basically has NO chance to recover their
money under these Terms and Conditions. Its saying the total onus of
Proof is with the Buyer rather than the Seller. He is just stating that
the amp as you see it, is exactly the same and untouched as it was
when he bought it from the Widow / Nephew.

*** So the wash up is this :- THE ONLY GUARANTEE that the seller is
offering with this amp is..... That Every Component on the amp at the
time he bought it from the widow and / or her Nephew remains on the
amp untouched.

The Loophole is this....... The seller Guarantees the amp is 100% Original
Yes, Original to that which he purchased from the Widow. Nothing has
been touched or changed.

BUT.... there is NO Guarantee to a Buyer that the amp is 100% Authentic
thus a buyer has no comeback. Seller can say... Hey the amp I bought
is the amp you got 100%. Not that its what I stated it was, that was
just my opinion based on the widows story of how they got it. I made
no guarantees in regard to its Authenticity.

Buyer has no claim. But does have an expensive Lemon, I mean Lesson

[59TweedVibrolux]

Sold at $6823 Seller will be overjoyed


Buyers last purchase.... a can of Redken Daily Shampoo $9.95 ?

Hope he gets all the " Evidence " the seller claimed to have !

[beach bob]

The rest of this thread was a real interesting read, after being away for a couple weeks.

+1 on hoping the buyer is happy, and will actually get the evidence ...

Between this item's two auctions, and the one 59TV linked w/ the BFDR, that seller certainly has shown what he's about. Buyer beware indeed

[59TweedVibrolux]

Like Days of Our Lives.....you can go off on holiday, come back
and its still going !!!

Amazing price (if genuine). If so, yes, I hope the buyer can get some
provenance for the amp. He really deserves it paying that amount.

Seller made some remarks regarding the credentials of two persons who
are recognized as Experts on Fender Amps. Stating he was far more
an expert than either of the other gentlemen. My friend in Hong Kong
had a reply from one of these gentlemen who commented that :-
" I believe that ebay seller is only interested in selling that fraudulent
amp and taking peoples money. If he thinks I'm not an expert, I don't
value his opinion anyway. The guy is a Cr..k and his reputation is
not good. People know he is bad news".

Nuff Said

[Guitarslinger1]

Originally Posted by 59TweedVibrolux

[B]Buyers last purchase.... a can of Redken Daily Shampoo $9.95 ?

Yeah I wondered about that too. Didn't he only have 5 feedbacks or something? When you see so many noobie buyers bidding on something like this, you have to wonder if it's all monkey business.