Well....I won't be getting a Princeton Reverb RI:

chet · June 18th, 2008, 12:11 PM

I got a silver faced Princeton off of Ebay last night!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-P...dZp1638Q2em124

Was that one of you guys selling it?

teleamp · June 18th, 2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chet

I got a silver faced Princeton off of Ebay last night!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-P...dZp1638Q2em124

Was that one of you guys selling it?

Great deal!

Mik · June 18th, 2008, 12:44 PM

Good deal Chet on a clean Princeton.

It's not going to sound like a Princeton Reverb.

Mik

chet · June 18th, 2008, 01:14 PM

Yeah, I've already had two Princetons before. This is good enough for me. I'll just add on the reverb pedal I have. The PRRI and PRs cost more than I think they're worth.

chet · June 19th, 2008, 01:23 PM

Hey guys, give me your opinion about the speaker in this model.

Is it probable that the one in there- if it is original- is better than a new Weber or Jensen or could I improve the performance by getting a reissue speaker for it?

I do have a Weber P10Q from when he was able to name them like the originals that I could try in it.

JohnnyCrash · June 19th, 2008, 02:20 PM

I'd give it a listening... then pop in the replacement you already have. When you do it, ask a non-musician friend for their advice too. Sometimes a blind taste test is helped by a "lay man" audience member.

chet · June 27th, 2008, 11:43 PM

Got it home today. The guy didn't exactly do a smart job of packing it. A power tube was lying on the bottom of the cab. I stuck it back in and it worked though.

Now the fun begins- I'm gonna start by trying the Weber speaker in it then try different NOS tubes in her.

Cowboyfjt · June 28th, 2008, 02:34 AM

Congrats - that's a sweet amp, and a sweeter deal!!!!!

Cowboy

David Barnett · June 28th, 2008, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chet

Hey guys, give me your opinion about the speaker in this model.

Is it probable that the one in there- if it is original- is better than a new Weber or Jensen or could I improve the performance by getting a reissue speaker for it?

I do have a Weber P10Q from when he was able to name them like the originals that I could try in it.

The 10" speakers in Princetons tend to fart out with much low frequency content, unless you turn down the bass as you turn up the amp. A replacement, maybe something from the Eminence Patriot line, would surely help.

Rob DiStefano · June 28th, 2008, 05:19 AM

Jensen Neo 10" is a killer replacement for a Prince.

Spidercaster · June 28th, 2008, 05:32 AM

Congrats on the new amp!

59TweedVibrolux · June 28th, 2008, 06:33 AM

Looks like an Oxford (465) 1980 speaker. Ceramic. Should sound good, I've
a ' 62 Brown with Oxford 10" Ceramic. It sounds great. Nice clean amp at a
great price

ol man · June 28th, 2008, 08:43 AM

Congrats!

In the EU, a new princeton RI costs 1 614 dollars

http://www.thomann.de/se/fender_65_princeton_reverb.htm

trag-o-caster · June 28th, 2008, 12:22 PM

Congratulations of the amp score Chet!

A new speaker, a cap job, and a new bass knob, and you've got a friend for life!

telecaster1981 · June 28th, 2008, 04:45 PM

Quote:

The 10" speakers in Princetons tend to fart out with much low frequency content, unless you turn down the bass as you turn up the amp. A replacement, maybe something from the Eminence Patriot line, would surely help.

+1

One of a few upgrades I've made to my SFPR is an Eminence Copperhead speaker. HUGE improvement in volume and tone!

RomanS · June 28th, 2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ol man

Congrats!

In the EU, a new princeton RI costs 1 614 dollars

http://www.thomann.de/se/fender_65_princeton_reverb.htm

You forgot that the "inofficial music (& photo) gear Dollar-to-Euro exchange rate" has been 1:1 at least for the last 5 or 6 years.

Costs a thousand Dollars in the US, costs a thousand Euros in Europe, just like with everything else...

chabby · June 28th, 2008, 07:36 PM

Me too Chet - hell, I can buy early, mid or late SF Vibroluxes for the same or less than SFPR's are going for these days...it's friggin insane, but whatever, I know it's a market thing. But I'll take SFVR's any day for 2-3 PR's of any kind.

If you know how, you can make VR's break up just as early and for the money maybe buy 3 of them and you could have almost one of every amp made if you modify the normal channel to one of about 50 mod options out there.

My latest thing is to set them up so I can A/B between the Vibrato and normal channels and it's like having two amps in one. And ohhhhh... those 2x10's....I just love em. You can Marshall-ize the normal channel, Tweed it etc and even an amp newby can do the mods. You can JTM the noramal side in about 1 1/2 hours.

chabby · June 28th, 2008, 07:41 PM

People have been telling me that the Jensen C10N post 1964 (if you can find them) are just incredible. I have been looking for them for about 6 months now, but every time the guys I know get them in they are gone the same day. That's how dialed in folks are around here in the Fender world.

eugenedunn · June 28th, 2008, 07:49 PM

Wow, what's the deal with the pre and post 1964 Jensen C10N speakers?

I never heard about THAT distinction in models. I have a pair of 1966 C10N's going into a new 2x10 cabinet. I've had them for about 20 years, and they've been used with a variety of amp setups.

I've liked them a lot for their relative cleanness and resistance to fart-out, even when driven pretty hard. They were reconed about 15 years ago.

chabby · June 28th, 2008, 07:54 PM

Thats what they are telling me Eugene - that they just smoke without farting out. But he said to make sure you get them post 63 or 64 (can't remember which) and he also cited a Date as the latest too think it was 1970 something. Sounds like yours is in the idal range and aint it not odd that you been playing them for 20 years knowing that they are killer.

eugenedunn · June 28th, 2008, 08:06 PM

Hey Chabby,

They used to be in a 50-watt Kalamazoo Bass 50 amp. I guess they must've selected these speakers so they wouldn't fart out when driven by a bass guitar... I saw the schematic of that Bass 50 amp and apparently, that amp's output transformer was a 16-ohm sucker..... which would mean these speakers were originally wired in series.

JKjr · June 28th, 2008, 08:10 PM

Cool Amp. Congrats

chabby · June 28th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Yeah - this guy who is the premier amp guru of the Pacific Northwest and does all work for the famous Seattle bands/celebrities says they are the hot thing for any 2x10 set up. And all of his 2x10 clients are using them. AT least for anything above 30 watts. What are you driving them with Eugene?

chet · June 28th, 2008, 09:27 PM

I had a Weber C10Q in my spare speaker boxes so I stuck that one in. I also had a pair of 6V6GTA's so I put them in. Topped it off with a Mullard ECC83.

The change in volume and tone was hard to believe! More later.

eugenedunn · June 29th, 2008, 02:48 AM

Hey Chabby,

I am hoping to get the cab finished by July 3rd. I wanna use it for a gig I've got on the 4th. I'm gonna use it with my 69 Princeton Reverb, which has an 8-ohm, 10-inch Electrovoice speaker in it.

I have a Weber Z-matcher which will allow me to run all three 10-inch drivers at the same time. I can't wait to see how it sounds.

The 2x10 cab is gonna be an upright Tall Boy format so I stack my Princeton on top. I like being able to get those speakers off the floor a bit.
I'll post a photo soon.

June 18th, 2008, 12:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 6,021	Well....I won't be getting a Princeton Reverb RI: I got a silver faced Princeton off of Ebay last night! http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Fender-P...dZp1638Q2em124 Was that one of you guys selling it?

June 18th, 2008, 12:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mik Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,416	Good deal Chet on a clean Princeton. It's not going to sound like a Princeton Reverb. Mik __________________ a "motor-bike with a touch of blood in it is better than all the riding animals on earth, because of its logical extension of our faculties, and the hint, the provocations, to excess."-T.E. Lawrence

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June 18th, 2008, 01:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 6,021	Yeah, I've already had two Princetons before. This is good enough for me. I'll just add on the reverb pedal I have. The PRRI and PRs cost more than I think they're worth.

June 19th, 2008, 01:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 6,021	Hey guys, give me your opinion about the speaker in this model. Is it probable that the one in there- if it is original- is better than a new Weber or Jensen or could I improve the performance by getting a reissue speaker for it? I do have a Weber P10Q from when he was able to name them like the originals that I could try in it.

June 19th, 2008, 02:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lost Angeles and Orange County Posts: 7,128	I'd give it a listening... then pop in the replacement you already have. When you do it, ask a non-musician friend for their advice too. Sometimes a blind taste test is helped by a "lay man" audience member.

June 27th, 2008, 11:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 6,021	Got it home today. The guy didn't exactly do a smart job of packing it. A power tube was lying on the bottom of the cab. I stuck it back in and it worked though. Now the fun begins- I'm gonna start by trying the Weber speaker in it then try different NOS tubes in her.

June 28th, 2008, 05:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
Rob DiStefano Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Park Ridge, NJ Age: 62 Posts: 4,623	Jensen Neo 10" is a killer replacement for a Prince.

June 28th, 2008, 06:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
59TweedVibrolux Tele-Meister Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 261	Looks like an Oxford (465) 1980 speaker. Ceramic. Should sound good, I've a ' 62 Brown with Oxford 10" Ceramic. It sounds great. Nice clean amp at a great price

June 28th, 2008, 12:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
trag-o-caster Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Flushing, Michigan Posts: 4,439	Congratulations of the amp score Chet! A new speaker, a cap job, and a new bass knob, and you've got a friend for life! __________________ Timothy Jon Lamb

June 28th, 2008, 07:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,258	Me too Chet - hell, I can buy early, mid or late SF Vibroluxes for the same or less than SFPR's are going for these days...it's friggin insane, but whatever, I know it's a market thing. But I'll take SFVR's any day for 2-3 PR's of any kind. If you know how, you can make VR's break up just as early and for the money maybe buy 3 of them and you could have almost one of every amp made if you modify the normal channel to one of about 50 mod options out there. My latest thing is to set them up so I can A/B between the Vibrato and normal channels and it's like having two amps in one. And ohhhhh... those 2x10's....I just love em. You can Marshall-ize the normal channel, Tweed it etc and even an amp newby can do the mods. You can JTM the noramal side in about 1 1/2 hours.

June 28th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,258	People have been telling me that the Jensen C10N post 1964 (if you can find them) are just incredible. I have been looking for them for about 6 months now, but every time the guys I know get them in they are gone the same day. That's how dialed in folks are around here in the Fender world.

June 28th, 2008, 07:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
eugenedunn Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 55 Posts: 654 33 Photos	Wow, what's the deal with the pre and post 1964 Jensen C10N speakers? I never heard about THAT distinction in models. I have a pair of 1966 C10N's going into a new 2x10 cabinet. I've had them for about 20 years, and they've been used with a variety of amp setups. I've liked them a lot for their relative cleanness and resistance to fart-out, even when driven pretty hard. They were reconed about 15 years ago. __________________ Ono Boy says "good n' swampy....."

June 28th, 2008, 07:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,258	Thats what they are telling me Eugene - that they just smoke without farting out. But he said to make sure you get them post 63 or 64 (can't remember which) and he also cited a Date as the latest too think it was 1970 something. Sounds like yours is in the idal range and aint it not odd that you been playing them for 20 years knowing that they are killer.

June 28th, 2008, 08:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
eugenedunn Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 55 Posts: 654 33 Photos	Hey Chabby, They used to be in a 50-watt Kalamazoo Bass 50 amp. I guess they must've selected these speakers so they wouldn't fart out when driven by a bass guitar... I saw the schematic of that Bass 50 amp and apparently, that amp's output transformer was a 16-ohm sucker..... which would mean these speakers were originally wired in series. __________________ Ono Boy says "good n' swampy....."

June 28th, 2008, 08:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
JKjr Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: raleigh nc Posts: 160	Cool Amp. Congrats

June 28th, 2008, 08:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,258	Yeah - this guy who is the premier amp guru of the Pacific Northwest and does all work for the famous Seattle bands/celebrities says they are the hot thing for any 2x10 set up. And all of his 2x10 clients are using them. AT least for anything above 30 watts. What are you driving them with Eugene?

June 28th, 2008, 09:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
chet Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Jersey Shore Posts: 6,021	I had a Weber C10Q in my spare speaker boxes so I stuck that one in. I also had a pair of 6V6GTA's so I put them in. Topped it off with a Mullard ECC83. The change in volume and tone was hard to believe! More later.

June 29th, 2008, 02:48 AM	#25 (permalink)
eugenedunn Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 55 Posts: 654 33 Photos	Hey Chabby, I am hoping to get the cab finished by July 3rd. I wanna use it for a gig I've got on the 4th. I'm gonna use it with my 69 Princeton Reverb, which has an 8-ohm, 10-inch Electrovoice speaker in it. I have a Weber Z-matcher which will allow me to run all three 10-inch drivers at the same time. I can't wait to see how it sounds. The 2x10 cab is gonna be an upright Tall Boy format so I stack my Princeton on top. I like being able to get those speakers off the floor a bit. I'll post a photo soon. __________________ Ono Boy says "good n' swampy....."