2x12 Cab for 5E3 Head

chabby · May 15th, 2008, 10:16 PM

What would be your preference for a 2x12 cab for 5E3 head?
Anyone ever try Celest V30's? like to hear TDPRI'ers preferences.

JohnnyCrash · May 15th, 2008, 11:24 PM

For rock of all flavors, I really love V30s.

C12N's are great rock speakers too. That's what I have in my 5E3.

For more warmth and complexity, you may want to try AlNiCo speakers. Lower watt squish in a cool way. ALNiCo's work best for old school Blues in my opinion.

What sound are you looking for exactly? Maybe that'll help narrow down the right speaker.

richon · May 16th, 2008, 02:23 AM

my Deluxe 5e3 head with 2x12" alnicos...

sounds FANTASTICO!

chabby · May 16th, 2008, 12:03 PM

It does sound fantastico!

Which input were you plugged into, my guess is Bright Channel

richon · May 16th, 2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chabby

It does sound fantastico!

Which input were you plugged into, my guess is Bright Channel

you are RIGHT!

when the both channels are jumpered it sounds even better.

chabby · May 16th, 2008, 10:24 PM

Which both? There are four.

Johnny: I play mostly rock and country and some blues mainly at a jam with regard to the blues. I would never really want the amp voiced for blues only I don't think unless since its just a head I could have cabs for different applications. Maybe go with the alnicos for blues and V30's for rock.

I know where I can get a pretty decent deal on a 2x12 Mesa cab loaded with V30's. Its even got coasters.

richon · May 17th, 2008, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chabby

Which both? There are four.

the DELUXE has 2 channels, each one has a HI and LOW input jack.

T_red7882 · June 15th, 2008, 08:37 PM

how loud is your 2x12 5e3?

charlie chitlin · June 15th, 2008, 08:50 PM

2x12 is twice as loud as 1x12.
The physics of this stuff is mysterious.
A 5w amp into a 4X12 can pin your ears back.

e-merlin · June 15th, 2008, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie frey

2x12 is twice as loud as 1x12.
The physics of this stuff is mysterious.
A 5w amp into a 4X12 can pin your ears back.

Well, it's actually not twice as loud, but it is louder.

The extra speaker adds 3dB and accoustic coupling between the two speakers adds another 3dB. That is if I recall properly from my car stereo days.

strat a various · June 16th, 2008, 02:52 PM

Charlie, Merlin,
Hope you-all won't mind if I add something on the subject of "twice as loud". Usually about now, somebody'll comes by with some acousic engineering data like- "takes 10x the watts to get 2x the volume, or "this or that adds *** decibels". I don't have a db meter, but I have a common sense take on volume- tell me what you think:

Amp 1.- turn it up all the way, tone settings flat. Play.
Amp 2.(identical amp/speaker)- Turn it up all the way, same settings amp and guitar. Play both amps at once.
Now, that's twice as loud as amp #1. by itself. Maybe not to an engineer, but I say that it'll sound twice as loud ... cause there's TWO OF 'EM.
Now, next time I hear an amp, whether it's got a higher wattage or more/bigger speakers, that sounds as loud as the "two together", I'm callin' that "twice as loud."
Sorry for the interruption.
Oh, also, I vote for an open-back cab. Better control over bass frequencies and better rear ambience. Also, less directional, the rest of the band can hear you better.
best wishes.

11 Gauge · June 16th, 2008, 06:59 PM

If you're going to do a 2X12 and don't mind experimenting a bit, I'd suggest an alnico AND a ceramic...

While I don't care for the Jensen RI's, something with the sonics of the original P12R and C12R should work just fine with a 5E3. Some folks dig Webers, others like the Eminence stuff. Some folks even like the RI's.

My big kick right now is the 2X? ceramic/alnico thing. That's what I've got in my '71 Vibrolux Reverb, and it sounds absolutely huge. I couldn't stop playing it earlier today - it sounds that good...

e-merlin · June 16th, 2008, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat a various

Charlie, Merlin,
Hope you-all won't mind if I add something on the subject of "twice as loud". Usually about now, somebody'll comes by with some acousic engineering data like- "takes 10x the watts to get 2x the volume, or "this or that adds *** decibels". I don't have a db meter, but I have a common sense take on volume- tell me what you think:

Amp 1.- turn it up all the way, tone settings flat. Play.
Amp 2.(identical amp/speaker)- Turn it up all the way, same settings amp and guitar. Play both amps at once.
Now, that's twice as loud as amp #1. by itself. Maybe not to an engineer, but I say that it'll sound twice as loud ... cause there's TWO OF 'EM.
Now, next time I hear an amp, whether it's got a higher wattage or more/bigger speakers, that sounds as loud as the "two together", I'm callin' that "twice as loud."
Sorry for the interruption.
Oh, also, I vote for an open-back cab. Better control over bass frequencies and better rear ambience. Also, less directional, the rest of the band can hear you better.
best wishes.

Where is "flat" on a guitar amp? They are not designed to be "flat" as you would expect a home stereo amp to be.

And, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, here, and I'm not an engineer, but two identical amps are not twice as loud. Louder, yes, but not twice as loud.

You can talk about repealing the law of gravity all you want, but saying so doesn't mean you can jump off the Grand Canyon with impunity.

6942 · June 16th, 2008, 10:18 PM

A Weber Sig12S ceramic & Sig12S alnico would be a nice fit.......for around $100 with shipping.

Steve

zeeman · June 16th, 2008, 10:59 PM

I've been running mine lately with a Celestion blue and a vintage 30. It really does seem to be the best of both worlds. I'm digging it.

strat a various · June 17th, 2008, 05:15 AM

Merlin,
I appreciate hyperbole as much as the next guy, but I'm sayin' two identical amps played at once sound twice as loud as one amp. How you define "twice" is up to you, but how I define "sound" pretty much establishes the parameters of my axiom here. I think they sound twice as loud. Whether an acoustic specialist (or you) agrees is irrelevant because, if you'll read my post, I said "sounds twice as loud", not IS twice as loud. Sounds ... to my ear, not "registers" on a meter or gauge. Also, I'll accept both amps are dimed on every knob, doesn't matter... you can fiddle with the knobs all day 'til your db meter says each produces the exact same sound pressure level. Both on = twice the volume to the average ear; it's subjective, get it.
I've tried this experiment at several music stores that friends owned or managed over the years. It really sounds twice as loud. If you have a cite that it doesn't sound twice as loud to the casual listener, or to the informed musician, I'd like to see it. Really. It would have to relate to some double-blind study of volunteer listeners, because I said "sounds" not "is". Sounds twice as loud.

Chabby,
Apologies for the distraction. We both drink too much coffee I'll bet, Merlin and me. On the subject of your 2x12, don't overlook Jensen Mod speakers. I think they walk all over Jensen Reissues, and they're cheap enough to try with out goin' broke. I'd try one, if it sounds good to you at a slightly reduced volume (MUST BE EXACTLY HALF!!), then get another. I use one 50 watter with a SF Bassman head and it sounds really good. I'd get another, but I already have an Eminence in another 1x12 cab for turnin' it up all the way ('TIL IT'S TWICE AS LOUD AS HALF!!)
best wishes

Wardpike · June 17th, 2008, 09:43 AM

Avatar makes a GREAT 2x12 cabinet, so does Vox. Both open back. You can also get a convertible or closed back cabinet...depending on how much low-end/bass/boom/mud you need.

Speaker wise, Alnico blues or golds from Celestion are great. So are Weber blue dogs. I hear good things about Warehouse Black'n'Blues.

Best regards,

Ward

6942 · June 17th, 2008, 10:15 AM

You can get a nice Lopoline 2 x 12 cabinet for around $200.

Steve

May 15th, 2008, 10:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,264	2x12 Cab for 5E3 Head What would be your preference for a 2x12 cab for 5E3 head? Anyone ever try Celest V30's? like to hear TDPRI'ers preferences.

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richon Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Viña del Mar Posts: 116	my Deluxe 5e3 head with 2x12" alnicos... sounds FANTASTICO! __________________ Watch my Blog with DIY Tube Amps and Boutique Effects from CHILE : www.richon-caster.blogspot.com

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charlie chitlin Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bucktown, Pa Age: 47 Posts: 2,599	2x12 is twice as loud as 1x12. The physics of this stuff is mysterious. A 5w amp into a 4X12 can pin your ears back. __________________ Dig yo'self http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...6-bf3537901a07

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11 Gauge Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The East Coast Posts: 3,091 10 Photos	If you're going to do a 2X12 and don't mind experimenting a bit, I'd suggest an alnico AND a ceramic... While I don't care for the Jensen RI's, something with the sonics of the original P12R and C12R should work just fine with a 5E3. Some folks dig Webers, others like the Eminence stuff. Some folks even like the RI's. My big kick right now is the 2X? ceramic/alnico thing. That's what I've got in my '71 Vibrolux Reverb, and it sounds absolutely huge. I couldn't stop playing it earlier today - it sounds that good... __________________

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Wardpike Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland Age: 43 Posts: 743	Avatar makes a GREAT 2x12 cabinet, so does Vox. Both open back. You can also get a convertible or closed back cabinet...depending on how much low-end/bass/boom/mud you need. Speaker wise, Alnico blues or golds from Celestion are great. So are Weber blue dogs. I hear good things about Warehouse Black'n'Blues. Best regards, Ward __________________ Proverbs 3:6 Matthew 5:44

May 15th, 2008, 11:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lost Angeles and Orange County Posts: 7,128	For rock of all flavors, I really love V30s. C12N's are great rock speakers too. That's what I have in my 5E3. For more warmth and complexity, you may want to try AlNiCo speakers. Lower watt squish in a cool way. ALNiCo's work best for old school Blues in my opinion. What sound are you looking for exactly? Maybe that'll help narrow down the right speaker.

May 16th, 2008, 12:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,264	It does sound fantastico! Which input were you plugged into, my guess is Bright Channel

May 16th, 2008, 10:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
chabby Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,264	Which both? There are four. Johnny: I play mostly rock and country and some blues mainly at a jam with regard to the blues. I would never really want the amp voiced for blues only I don't think unless since its just a head I could have cabs for different applications. Maybe go with the alnicos for blues and V30's for rock. I know where I can get a pretty decent deal on a 2x12 Mesa cab loaded with V30's. Its even got coasters.

June 15th, 2008, 08:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
T_red7882 Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco Age: 26 Posts: 828	how loud is your 2x12 5e3?

June 16th, 2008, 02:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
strat a various Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Age: 50 Posts: 216	Charlie, Merlin, Hope you-all won't mind if I add something on the subject of "twice as loud". Usually about now, somebody'll comes by with some acousic engineering data like- "takes 10x the watts to get 2x the volume, or "this or that adds *** decibels". I don't have a db meter, but I have a common sense take on volume- tell me what you think: Amp 1.- turn it up all the way, tone settings flat. Play. Amp 2.(identical amp/speaker)- Turn it up all the way, same settings amp and guitar. Play both amps at once. Now, that's twice as loud as amp #1. by itself. Maybe not to an engineer, but I say that it'll sound twice as loud ... cause there's TWO OF 'EM. Now, next time I hear an amp, whether it's got a higher wattage or more/bigger speakers, that sounds as loud as the "two together", I'm callin' that "twice as loud." Sorry for the interruption. Oh, also, I vote for an open-back cab. Better control over bass frequencies and better rear ambience. Also, less directional, the rest of the band can hear you better. best wishes.

June 16th, 2008, 10:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
6942 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,633	A Weber Sig12S ceramic & Sig12S alnico would be a nice fit.......for around $100 with shipping. Steve

June 16th, 2008, 10:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
zeeman Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 332 5 Photos	I've been running mine lately with a Celestion blue and a vintage 30. It really does seem to be the best of both worlds. I'm digging it.

June 17th, 2008, 05:15 AM	#16 (permalink)
strat a various Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Age: 50 Posts: 216	Merlin, I appreciate hyperbole as much as the next guy, but I'm sayin' two identical amps played at once sound twice as loud as one amp. How you define "twice" is up to you, but how I define "sound" pretty much establishes the parameters of my axiom here. I think they sound twice as loud. Whether an acoustic specialist (or you) agrees is irrelevant because, if you'll read my post, I said "sounds twice as loud", not IS twice as loud. Sounds ... to my ear, not "registers" on a meter or gauge. Also, I'll accept both amps are dimed on every knob, doesn't matter... you can fiddle with the knobs all day 'til your db meter says each produces the exact same sound pressure level. Both on = twice the volume to the average ear; it's subjective, get it. I've tried this experiment at several music stores that friends owned or managed over the years. It really sounds twice as loud. If you have a cite that it doesn't sound twice as loud to the casual listener, or to the informed musician, I'd like to see it. Really. It would have to relate to some double-blind study of volunteer listeners, because I said "sounds" not "is". Sounds twice as loud. Chabby, Apologies for the distraction. We both drink too much coffee I'll bet, Merlin and me. On the subject of your 2x12, don't overlook Jensen Mod speakers. I think they walk all over Jensen Reissues, and they're cheap enough to try with out goin' broke. I'd try one, if it sounds good to you at a slightly reduced volume (MUST BE EXACTLY HALF!!), then get another. I use one 50 watter with a SF Bassman head and it sounds really good. I'd get another, but I already have an Eminence in another 1x12 cab for turnin' it up all the way ('TIL IT'S TWICE AS LOUD AS HALF!!) best wishes

June 17th, 2008, 10:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
6942 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,633	You can get a nice Lopoline 2 x 12 cabinet for around $200. Steve