Well I saw a silverface and blackface super reverb today!

[hugo]

The Fender Super Reverb SF was 1400.00 and the Fender Super Reverb BF was 2000.-00. It was hard not to buy the SF but wow! that's alot of cashola. Buddy told me next year the blackface would be worth another 500.00. Are his prices in range?

[trdlasvegas]

Don't know if his prices are exactly correct, but he's right it will be worth more next year. But bear in mine the SF will be worth more next year also. You really can't go wrong with either, as they will continue to increase in price.

-Tony

[surfoverb]

Originally Posted by hugo

The Fender Super Reverb SF was 1400.00 and the Fender Super Reverb BF was 2000.-00. It was hard not to buy the SF but wow! that's alot of cashola. Buddy told me next year the blackface would be worth another 500.00. Are his prices in range?

Well if you go on Ebay their are BF for under $1500 and SF for under $1000. I say his prices are steep. I doubt the prices will go up $500 in 1 year either, that means you could get a BF for $1 4 years ago and they will be $4000 in 4 years?

[skeksis]

I would knock about $300 off of both the SF and BF -- the prices you listed aren't bad, but not great either. I for one think the pricing of amps has finally slowed down a bit... depends a lot on the individual amp, condition, originality, etc. I don't know if it'll be worth too much more next year, but in the long run (5-10 yrs) the BF will probably do proportionately better than the SF. just my $0.02.

[Telarkaster]

Hugo, sell all but one of your guitars and buy the SF Super Reverb! It'll make whatever guitar you have left to play through it (hopefully a Tele) sound heavenly.

And start working out to able to lift it!

Ah, don't listen to me, I'm just daydreaming...

Seriously, the Super Reverb is one of the nicest amps I've ever played through. Then again our styles of music might be different and you might hate it.

As for the prices, keep in mind this is Canada. Those prices jive with what I saw here in used music stores. They aren't that common here, and the store has to pay rent, overhead, etc... The trade off is that you actually get to try and see what you are buying before forking over $1000+ for a 30 year old piece of equipment. As long as you buy from a trustworthy store.

[Rumble]

I don't think you'll see the prices on those amps continue to rise at the rate they have been. There has been a consistent trend away from the biggest, heaviest, and loudest amps towards lighter, lower wattage, more-breakup versions. Demand for Twins, Super Reverbs, and Marshall stacks has been declining in favor of tweed Deluxes, Marshall Bluesbreakers and 1974xs, AC 15s and 30s, etc. People just don't want to drag a 90 lb amp around that the soundmen won't let them turn up past one and a half. They bring a smaller amp, mic it, and crank it. So don't buy the big amp thinking the value will go up by 25% next year. Buy it if you want to own a piece of music history and can park it in a clean, dry place and crank it up every once in a while.

[Tremo]

I almost fell over at those prices then I saw you are in Canada. Canadian dollars, etc.....

[endzone]

Blackface Super Reverbs consistently sell for $2000 and up and yet Blackface Twin Reverbs have come down in price. I know of a really nice '66 Twin in a shop right now that's been sitting for months at $1400. It's absolutely amazing to me that a Princeton Reverb can bring more money than a Twin. No one seems to want or need big amps anymore. I'd love to have a Super but I think you'll see them come down in price in the next couple of years.

[Telarkaster]

Originally Posted by Tremo

I almost fell over at those prices then I saw you are in Canada. Canadian dollars, etc.....

Reminder: the Canadian dollar is no longer at 60 cents US. It's at PAR, or higher!

$1000CDN = $1040US, depending on the day.

The oilsands in Alberta have made Canada an oil exporting nation. Blue-eyed sheiks...

It's more the supply and demand that drives these prices, with a smaller population there are simply less of these amps around.

Comparing prices on the internet to prices in a store isn't fair, we're not talking about the same thing: shipping, overhead, the ability to go back to the store and yell at someone if it doesn't work...

[woodman]

price follows demand. if the economy tanks and expendable income shrinks as energy costs take their toll on all goods and services, who knows -- demand may fall off, and then so will prices. bury your money in the back yard and buy a blackface when they fall under $1000!

[studebaker hawk]

I wish I had listened to that guy who wanted to sell me gold 3-4 years ago (it was under $350 oz. then). DOH!!

[Big Lug]

Originally Posted by Tremo

I almost fell over at those prices then I saw you are in Canada. Canadian dollars, etc.....

Actually, the Loonie has been doing quite well for us Canucks who purchase goods from the States. Some days we're at par with the Greenback, some days slightly above, and some days slightly below. Overall, though, it is much better--for us--then what it used to be.

As for the price of BF or SF Fender amps, well, just about anything goes now-a-days north or south of the 49th parallel. Aging baby boomers + large disposable incomes = increase vintage amp prices.

Free market economy at its finest.

I figure in about 20 -30 years you'll be able to go to a pawn shop and pick up BF and SF amps for a song as the grandchildren of the baby boomers try to unload gramp's old ratty amp that no one seems to want. Now, if I can just stay alive long enough and keep those fingers nimble I might have a crack at owning one of these amps.

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Big Lug

I figure in about 20 -30 years you'll be able to go to a pawn shop and pick up BF and SF amps for a song as the grandchildren of the baby boomers try to unload gramp's old ratty amp that no one seems to want. Now, if I can just stay alive long enough and keep those fingers nimble I might have a crack at owning one of these amps.

I bet it won't even be that long -- the Boomers are rapidly developing bad backs.

[Rumble]

Originally Posted by Big Lug

I figure in about 20 -30 years you'll be able to go to a pawn shop and pick up BF and SF amps for a song as the grandchildren of the baby boomers try to unload gramp's old ratty amp that no one seems to want. Now, if I can just stay alive long enough and keep those fingers nimble I might have a crack at owning one of these amps.

There's a mint, all original silverface Twin on Craigslist around here right now for $700 that can probably be had for less. I thought about snatching it up for a second, but I don't have use for a 100 lb monster that I'll never turn up past one, and I'm not planning on starting a Fender museum just yet . If anything, it seems like the big Fenders may be decreasing in value with the drop in demand.

[fauxsuper]

“To be is to do” – Socrates
“To do is to be” – Jean-Paul Sartre
“Do be do be do” – Frank Sinatra

Hey, Big Lug:

I saw this written on a bathroom wall in Vancouver back in 1972, were you old enough to get into pubs then? A relative, perhaps: or is it some peculiarity of the local humor?

[morroben]

There was an SF in the local shop the other day when I bought my new acoustic. $850...$900 if you need help getting it to your car.

[jmwjjmwj]

Originally Posted by hugo

The Fender Super Reverb SF was 1400.00 and the Fender Super Reverb BF was 2000.-00. It was hard not to buy the SF but wow! that's alot of cashola. Buddy told me next year the blackface would be worth another 500.00. Are his prices in range?

At these prices, I would guess these amps have been recapped, retubed and they're ready to play. If not, have the store knock $300 off the price because it'll cost you around $300 to cap and tube an old Fender. Have take another hundred off if the speaker is spent.

I think a lot of people are surprised by the cost of bringing a vintage amp back to life. They pay a premium for a 'tone' amp and then have to drop another wad of cash to make it gig worthy. At the end of the day, it's worth every penny. If you think about it, it's not really that expensive. My '76 SFDR has been capped and tubed one time in its 32 years so, it's not like I'm dropping $300+ bucks every other year.

[Big Lug]

Originally Posted by fauxsuper

“To be is to do” – Socrates
“To do is to be” – Jean-Paul Sartre
“Do be do be do” – Frank Sinatra

Hey, Big Lug:

I saw this written on a bathroom wall in Vancouver back in 1972, were you old enough to get into pubs then? A relative, perhaps: or is it some peculiarity of the local humor?

Hey fauxsuper. I wasn't quite old enough, but because of my size I used to enjoy a pint or two in pubs while in senior high. I lived on the Island at that time but did venture over the water and hang out in ol' Gastown where there were a few infamous watering holes there.

As for the my tag line, well, I can't take credit for it. But it would have been something I would have written on a pub bathroom wall back in the day. More of a peculiarity of quite a few beers, some wacky tobacky, and an odd sense of humour (eg, Zappa, Vonnegut, Monty Python, Firesign Theatre, that sort of thing ).

Hey, just noticed: this is my 400th post. Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge and experience. I have learned so much and have had fun too. Long live the TDPRI !

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by jmwjjmwj

Have take another hundred off if the speaker is spent.

Remember - we're talking about a Super Reverb - that's potentially 4 ratty speakers...

I've typically had a hard time getting a lot of sellers to budge much in regards to speakers in SR's. Either they figured what was in there was of sufficient value/quality, or just the sometimes unspoken language that the buyer will typically recap, swap tubes, and put in the speakers of their choice, anyway, and the price reflects that.

Unless you buy them in bulk, you're usually looking at a minimum of ~$280 for 4 decent new 10's. If you're looking for P10 repros, CTS repros, etc. then that figure will typically jump higher. So, even taking a hundred off doesn't really do much.

On some occasions when sellers have insisted that the budget 10's that they dropped in were an "obvious improvement," I simply asked for a price without the speakers.

[Tim Swartz]

Has anybody mentioned condition? If those amps are museum pieces they are probably not out of line. If they are players, they are off by maybe 30%.

[jmwjjmwj]

Originally Posted by 11 Gauge

Remember - we're talking about a Super Reverb - that's potentially 4 ratty speakers...

Dang. My bad. Me can't count.

You're right though, stores assume you will refurb and typically won't knock off anything for caps, tubes or speakers but it doesn't hurt to ask - ya never know.

I think the BF/SF market has gone crazy if you ask me.